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randya
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/150156p-132371c.html

NY STATE SPARES ROD FOR THOSE WHO KILL WITH CARS

-> According to a Dec. 29th New York Daily News article, "Killers don't need a high-priced team of lawyers to avoid serious jail time in New York. They just have to make sure their weapon of choice is a car. Fewer than one driver in five involved in a fatal auto accident in the city faces serious criminal charges. And in the rare cases that killer drivers are prosecuted and convicted, the average minimum sentence is 16 months, a Daily News investigation shows. The max? Just over three years. And sentences have gotten shorter in recent years.

"'They are getting away with murder,' said Vensa Trajkovski, who last saw her 10-year-old son, Stefan, leaving their Queens home in April. Stefan was run down and killed on Ditmars Blvd. by a sport-utility vehicle whose driver allegedly was drag racing. The 19-year-old driver, Emmanuel Kanios, faces up to 15 years in prison if convicted of manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide and leaving the scene of an accident. But earlier this month, the Queens district attorney's office warned Trajkovski that the judge could let her son's killer off with no
jail time. Kanios' attorney maintains Stefan's death was a 'tragic accident.' 'It's nuts that he is out on the streets while my son is 6 feet under,' Trajkovski said..."

Ed Note: No one should see this as a New York-only story. It could happen just about anywhere. -JW
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The above news story is a repost from Centerlines. However, just this morning I was verbally threatened with death by vehicular homocide by a motorist that objected to the lane position I took for my own safety, see below. FYI, this happended on a relatively quiet side street, designated as a 'Bike Boulevard' by the City of Portland.
-Randy

I am sending this to all of you as an alert, as, in the course of this incident, this motorist threatened to kill lawful cyclists in general, and me in particular, if the cyclist's road position did not correspond to this motorist's erroneous interpretation of the law. This incident disturbed me enough that I'd be willing to press charges, if any of you are willing to help me pursue this matter.

When: 9:15 AM January 2, 2004.

Where: westbound on SE Ladd at SE Palm.

Description of vehicle: Dark gray late-model mid to full size passenger sedan; I think it was a Chrysler, but it could have been another make.

License number: Oregon XSC 547

Description of driver: White male, late 40's, overweight, bad teeth, ponytail, clean shaven; I would definitely recognize this guy again.

Description of incident: I was cycling westbound on SE Ladd, approaching the island/circle in the intersection of SE Ladd and SE Palm. Road conditions were wet with some slush and debris. There was an oncoming vehicle and a following vehicle. I moved left into the lane to prevent the following vehicle from either passing me too closely as a result of the presence of the oncoming vehicle, or squeezing me off the road by trying to pass me in the intersection adjacent to the island. The overtaking vehicle, described above, passed me anyway immediately before the island, with about one foot of clearance. I gestured at the driver in his rearview mirror, and he immediately pulled over beyond the intersection and rolled down his window and proceeded to engage me verbally when I caught up with him. We had a running conversation down SE Ladd all the way from SE Palm to SE Clay, and he attempted at least once to ram my bicycle by steering his vehicle into me, which I had to fend off with my foot. Among the things he said to me were that "bicyclists were only allowed two feet of road space to the left of the parked cars / parking lane" (e.g. 'the door zone' is where I was supposed to be riding according to this jerk), that "he had been told this by a police officer" (it sort of sounded like he had already been involved in a previous incident, in which he may have injured another cyclist) and finally, that "he hoped some bicyclist got in his way because he would kill them, and he hoped that it was me."


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John E
 
You have his license plate numbers. Report the incident to local law enforcement and/or your state's department of motor vehicles.


randya
 
You have his license plate numbers. Report the incident to local law enforcement and/or your state's department of motor vehicles.

A few years back when I knew a bicycle-friendly cop on the local police force, this would have been the way to go. These days the local police aren't so apt to cooperate in instances like this, anymore. Rest assured, however, that I have contacted several local attorneys that are cyclists, and defend cyclists in civil and other cases. I'm certainly not going to sit back on this one.


LittleBigMan
 
I'm certainly not going to sit back on this one.
Good. Don't let him get away with it.

So you exchanged "gestures and words." You were pedalling a bike--he was powering a large motor vehicle and threatening you with it.


Dchiefransom
 
So, basically, a person was doing something to you that was the same as pointing a loaded gun at you with the safety off, and you stuck around to argue.



(Qoute)The above news story is a repost from Centerlines. However, just this morning I was verbally threatened with death by vehicular homocide by a motorist that objected to the lane position I took for my own safety, see below. FYI, this happended on a relatively quiet side street, designated as a 'Bike Boulevard' by the City of Portland.
-Randy

I am sending this to all of you as an alert, as, in the course of this incident, this motorist threatened to kill lawful cyclists in general, and me in particular, if the cyclist's road position did not correspond to this motorist's erroneous interpretation of the law. This incident disturbed me enough that I'd be willing to press charges, if any of you are willing to help me pursue this matter.

When: 9:15 AM January 2, 2004.

Where: westbound on SE Ladd at SE Palm.

Description of vehicle: Dark gray late-model mid to full size passenger sedan; I think it was a Chrysler, but it could have been another make.

License number: Oregon XSC 547

Description of driver: White male, late 40's, overweight, bad teeth, ponytail, clean shaven; I would definitely recognize this guy again.

Description of incident: I was cycling westbound on SE Ladd, approaching the island/circle in the intersection of SE Ladd and SE Palm. Road conditions were wet with some slush and debris. There was an oncoming vehicle and a following vehicle. I moved left into the lane to prevent the following vehicle from either passing me too closely as a result of the presence of the oncoming vehicle, or squeezing me off the road by trying to pass me in the intersection adjacent to the island. The overtaking vehicle, described above, passed me anyway immediately before the island, with about one foot of clearance. I gestured at the driver in his rearview mirror, and he immediately pulled over beyond the intersection and rolled down his window and proceeded to engage me verbally when I caught up with him. We had a running conversation down SE Ladd all the way from SE Palm to SE Clay, and he attempted at least once to ram my bicycle by steering his vehicle into me, which I had to fend off with my foot. Among the things he said to me were that "bicyclists were only allowed two feet of road space to the left of the parked cars / parking lane" (e.g. 'the door zone' is where I was supposed to be riding according to this jerk), that "he had been told this by a police officer" (it sort of sounded like he had already been involved in a previous incident, in which he may have injured another cyclist) and finally, that "he hoped some bicyclist got in his way because he would kill them, and he hoped that it was me."[/QUOTE]


randya
 
So, basically, a person was doing something to you that was the same as pointing a loaded gun at you with the safety off, and you stuck around to argue.

Basically, yes. On the other hand, he waited up for me, and I couldn't very easily outrun him, so I didn't have much choice other than to engage him in dialog and humor him (or piss him off more, hard to say). Generally, I don't give an inch to these jerks, and I can assure you that there will be some sort of follow up on my part.


miamijim
 
If you plan on reporting the plate number to the authorities or an attorney I would seriously consider burying this thread and everyone you have ever posted in......any good lawyer will recommend it.

I have no problems reporting offending motorists, I have advocated it here on this forum and there lies the problem. That person has no way of defending his/her actions. In the mean time you've broadcasted the plate number. Any slick hacker here can have a name and adress in short order....its not guilty untill proven innocent.

I mean the last thing I would want is my phone to start ringing....I've seen this happen many times on the automotive boards I frequent....and trust me, threads get buried very quickly....maybe HIS lawyer is a member here????


ngateguy
 
You have his license plate numbers. Report the incident to local law enforcement and/or your state's department of motor vehicles.

Usually I just let the clowns vent and pass but in this case not only was there a verbal abuse but a physical assault as well report the clown. You should of reported the incident as soon as it happened the police should take this matter seriously and if they don't rattle some cages you would be surprised what that can accomplish. You would think with the cycling community you have down there the police would be more responsive.


ngateguy
 
You have his license plate numbers. Report the incident to local law enforcement and/or your state's department of motor vehicles.

Usually I just let the clowns vent and pass but in this case not only was there a verbal abuse but a physical assault as well report the clown. You should of reported the incident as soon as it happened the police should take this matter seriously and if they don't rattle some cages you would be surprised what that can accomplish. You would think with the cycling community you have down there the police would be more responsive.

PS: I wouldn't worry to much about posting his liscence it is public information, not an invasion of privacy or anything like that.


Ebbtide
 
Sorry to here about your encounter.

You have rights, but smarts too. The first rule in a life threatening situation is to leave by any means possible (turn around and go the other way). Had matters escalated to a physical nature and you killed him with you powerful car stopping foot, the DA would lock you up for years.

I would at least make a police report.

Fewer than one driver in five involved in a fatal auto accident in the city faces serious criminal charges.

Without further information, I would think that four of five car fatalities are no fault accidents. In NYC, I would bet there are a lot of people getting creamed by cars just walking out into the street without looking both ways.

BTW: With all this "kill cyclist" talk, has there ever been a case where a driver actually carried out this threat? I doubt it. It is just unproductive talk and unless in extreme circumstances, should be ignored.


ImEmmanuel
 
Well the 1st topic is about me. I am Emmanuel. And i would like to clear up that THERE WAS NO DRAG RACING involved... i was alone and driving at 5 mph over the speed limit at night time. The PARENTS should have been watching the kid. But apparently they werent.. and they cant seem to understand that it was an accident. And guess what? i have to suffer everyday because of it. And thats all i have to Say. Goodbye


suntreader
 
I don't know about the laws in Portland, but in South Carolina a citizen can swear out a warrant on a driver who commits the infractions you have described. Depending on the jurisdiction, the local, county or state police will serve the warrant and bring the offender to trial. Of course, the citizen will be required to testify.

Before you go that far, you may want to talk to a police supervisor in your precinct. Ask for his or her oipinion before you decide what you want to do. My experience has been that the officers are usually aware of the troublemakers in their area. Cops tend to dislike people who behave in this manner on THEIR streets. They also tend to stand up for the underdog.

If this guy is already problematic, it may give the officers the PC (probable cause) they need to bust him. Further, if he has a criminal record or... even better... he is on probation for a previous offense, he could get in real trouble and you could pat yourself on the back for making the streets safer in your community.

It is unfortunate that we have to contend with people like this, especially when we're just trying to enjoy a nice, peaceful ride. However, it is always important for good people to stand up for what is right. We're not only protecting ourselves, but others who follow in our path.


gpsblake
 
www.publicdata.com

You can get his name off that site using the plate number. It's a pay site but nine bucks gives you his name with that plate number.


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