Campy 11 speed - Good Grief! Where will it end?

[BluesDawg]

http://velonews.com/article/77895/tech-report-the-campagnolo-11-speed-super-record-group

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[maddmaxx]

As far as I'm concerned, 8 speed was great and 9 became a necessary evil with the shortage of good 8 speed equipment. This coming from a non retro bike builder. I prefer to build with new modern equipment but.........................

[Allegheny Jet]

In the movie Spinal Tap, the Amp could be turned up to 11 when all other amps only had 10 volume levels. You just never know when you need one more.

[Paydirt]

I hope never.

This means that Campy is still being innovative and creative, which in turn makes the 10 speed soon to be passe' (= cheaper like 9 speeds are now). Keeps the competition on their toes.

Can't wait for 12 speeds......

[Hermes]

“Why not?” says Francesco Zenere, Campagnolo’s press manager. “There is constant demand from customers for cassettes, which have an extra sprocket within the usual range or those that would increase the metrical range. Cyclists are never truly happy whether they are professionals or amateurs. Campagnolo therefore decided to use the redesign of the Super Record, Record and Chorus groups as an opportunity to offer them something extra. The 11th speed is in fact the icing, while the cake is the remarkable makeover of the three groupsets dedicated to competition use.”

There is your answer...we need the something extra.:D

[BluesDawg]

What we want...and what we need
has been confused...been confused

R.E.M. "Finest Worksong"

[Suzie Green]

In the movie Spinal Tap, the Amp could be turned up to 11 when all other amps only had 10 volume levels. You just never know when you need one more.

I cut my pizza into 6 slices because I can't eat 8.

[Monoborracho]

Prepare to bend over and spread your dropouts.

[Little Darwin]

And narrower chains and cogs to wear out sooner had NOTHING to do with the decision. :D

[Beverly]

I cut my pizza into 6 slices because I can't eat 8.

That cuts down on calories, too:rolleyes:

[Louis]

"Kids...be first on your block to have an eleven speed rear cluster. Be the envy of your neighborhood".

It will never end as long as Marketing is in control and people keep throwing money at them.

[maddmaxx]

Once they discover that 8speed cassettes can be built much lighter using todays technology than 10 or 11 speed sets, the marketing folks will have no trouble steering us to the "new, lighter, better 8speed group"

As an aside, One of the hardcore MTB magazines had a build it article a couple of years ago about the ultimate dream "real world" high performance all mountain bike. The drive train was scoured from far and wide and was............................................XTR 8speed. Great performance, light and bulletproof.

[Jay Andriot]

They are doing 11 speeds because they can, why not? For me, they had me at ultra6, I had one more than anyone else around. I have the QS Campy Record on my bike and will take a look at the new stuff when it comes out. I could change.

[dogbreathpnw]

It will stop when chains are made of gossamer and anyone with legs stronger than a nine year old kid's will snap teeth and chain when climbing a hill. :-(

I'm tired of this. My friends say that the 10 speed components are simply no good for tandems; they eat chains the way most people eat M&M's, because the chain is so flimsy.

[jab1362]

It will end when everyone discovers FG/SS isn't a fad.

Joe
2008 Schwinn Madison FG
2008 Gary Fisher Rig SS
2007 Redline Monocog
1999 Tour Easy

[Tom Bombadil]

I have a 10-speed cassette ... and that is ridiculous. I like 8-speeds better. I have to shift too often with the 10.

[Wildwood]

[QUOTE=Louis;6946112 It will never end as long as Marketing is in control and people keep throwing money at them.[/QUOTE]

Hey, let's not disparage all marketing people with the broad brush.

By the way I have read in the past that Shimano developed a 14 speed rear cluster. There was never any mention of a release date. May have just been a skunkworks - perhaps literally.

[fthomas]

Originally Posted by Suzie Green http://www.bikeforums.net/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?p=6944589#post6944589) I cut my pizza into 6 slices because I can't eat 8.


That cuts down on calories, too:rolleyes:

Finally, a diet I can live with! It probably won't add to my HDL either!

Wow, I feel fortunate! :thumb:

[freeranger]

If they can make it light enough, and more affordable, the Nuvinci hub would be the way I'd go:
http://www.fallbrooktech.com/03_bicycle.asp

[John E]

I find that a properly designed 2 chainring / 6 cog transmission can just barely get me adequate range with a reasonably tight 6-7% progression (and a gap at the very top and the very bottom). Thus, I can see a strong argument for either a triple chainring or a 7- or 8-speed cogset, but I doubt I could ever use more than that productively. Part of the fashion these days is to provide overlapping gear ranges, to minimize the number of front derailleur shifts, in stark contrast to my half-step and 1.5-step arrangements and their frequent double shifts.

As for chain longevity, what is killing today's cogs and chainrings is not only their skinny teeth but also the reduced number of teeth. With a compact chainring set, one puts more force on a smaller number of cog teeth. I concur that a 2x8 or 3x8 setup is probably a good balance between versatility and longevity.

[big john]

I thought 8 was enough, but I have 9 speed triple on 1 bike and 10 speed triple on another. That 10 speed group sure is nice, although the same technology with 8 back there would be almost as nice.

[BluesDawg]

I like 8 speeds because the cog spacing is wide enough to work well with friction shifters. The chains are cheap and strong too.

BTW, thanks to whichever mod fixed my misspelled title. :beer:

[Long deKlein]

In the movie Spinal Tap, the Amp could be turned up to 11 when all other amps only had 10 volume levels. You just never know when you need one more.
If Nigel Tufnel were a cyclist...
Why 11 speed? Because it's one faster, innit?

[go1dens4]

will you be able to rebuild campy 10 to 11, and if sram will goto 11 the shifters are suppose to be rebuildable so the same for these??

[The Weak Link]

I need one. I really need one.

Did I ever discuss that my last road bike burst out into flames spontaneously?

[cyclinfool]

Who needs gears when you have a fluid drive system

[DnvrFox]

Eventually we will get to an electronically controlled infinite range belt driven transmission.

(Err . . . didn't the Model T have something similar)?

[rocoach]

How many blades do you really NEED in your razor? I was very happy with two.

[BSLeVan]

You can buy an automobile with 500 hp. Who needs 500 hp? Not many. Who wants 500 hp is another question all together. I didn't think there was any real advantage to a 10 speed over a 9 speed, until I started riding one. Yet, my Mt Bike runs an 8 speed just fine, thank you. Hell, all I really need is a single speed, but I want more. I have a 6 speed on the trainer and took it out for a road ride a few weeks ago. It felt so inferior to what's availalbe now. If it was the only bike I had or could afford, I'd be happy just to have it. For now, however, I'm happy with the 8, 9 & 10 speed set ups I have and feel fortunate to have 'em.

[Dchiefransom]

We need the extra gearing so when our computers with cadence, HRMs, and GPS are all in synque, we can maintain our effort with only .000000000000000000000000000000001% change in heart rate by shifting.

[stapfam]

Coming from an MTB background- I have always been happy with a gear cluster that has plenty of Big Gears. In 8 speed I can get a 34 but the rest of the plenty aren't there So 11/28 is the one I use for the hills. Just grind away in 22/28 for a long time.

So then came the 9 speed and an 11/32 or 12/34. Just gave me sensible ratios on those big cogs.

But then I went road and 12/27. Believe it or not- I like plenty of gears but the large spacing on the 3 largest cogs have started to be a nuisance. 12/25 is nice- but I could still do with a 27 for the steep bits.

So providing those 11t cassettes are going to be availble in 12/27 and not only in 11/22- I reckon it might be worth a try.

What am I talking about!!!!!!-- It doesn't matter how many gears I have on the bike(s) I only ever seem to want one of them. Just a pity it is always one lower than I am using.

[gcottay]

And those wonderful people at Campagnolo can lead us far beyond eleven cogs and a thin chain. "Every drivetrain component has been redesigned to make 11-speed work: Ergopower Ultra-Shift mechanism, front and rear derailleurs, chain, cassette, chainrings and crankset."

[Ahab]

You think 11 speed is bad? This reminds me of a posting by the late Captain Bike (see http://www.sheldonbrown.com/carapace.html#thin ):


This is madness! Nobody needs a 37-speed cassette, 36 is perfectly adequate,
and I can't imagine why anybody would need a sprocket smaller than 7 teeth.

These 37 speed cassettes will create too much dishing in the wheel, and
everybody's spokes will break. Also, the 37-speed chain is too narrow, and
will surely break when used by a strong rider.

I'm going to stick to the good old tried and proven 36 speed rig, because I
value reliability and simplicity over having the latest gimmick. I'll be
looking forward to cheap prices on the "obsolete" 36-speed parts as the trendy
discard them in their mad rush to 37-speed.

Carapace Completed Umber
Intercourse, Pennsylvania

[HiYoSilver]

The basic problem that has not been solved yet is there currently is no solution available for the rider who wants:

1. gear inch range from 20gi to 120gi
2. step changes of 5-7% between shifts
3. a minimum of cross shifting

Any step towards that nirvana would be good. Somewhere I saw where Shimano has a 14 casssette patent.

[BluesDawg]

The basic problem that has not been solved yet is there currently is no solution available for the rider who wants:

1. gear inch range from 20gi to 120gi
2. step changes of 5-7% between shifts
3. a minimum of cross shifting

Any step towards that nirvana would be good. Somewhere I saw where Shimano has a 14 casssette patent.


All you need is 2 bikes. :innocent: