Folding Bikes - Next socal folder ride!

Since I don't have to go to summer classes because of nonpayment (fin-aid did not come through, phooey :() I have time to plan the next one. And update the website too, finally. Any ideas about the when/where?

If I lived anywhere nearby I'd be in! I do visit LA fairly often - I'll try and bring my Tikit down next time and at least enjoy some of the cycling potential you guys have. During my last visit I spotted two Dahon Speed D7s about Pasadena.

Since I don't have to go to summer classes because of nonpayment (fin-aid did not come through, phooey :() I have time to plan the next one. And update the website too, finally. Any ideas about the when/where?

How about Amtrac to SF.. next month!! woooo hoooo!! :D :D

What if we were to set up a ride in, say, Santa Barbara or thereabouts? The SoCal and NorCal folder contingencies could meet up and have a statewide FolderFest. Anyone live in that area that might have suggestions for making this work? S.B. sure is a nice place to spend a bit of time in the dead of winter, so maybe a ride in January? Who is up for this?

How about Amtrac to SF.. next month!! woooo hoooo!! :D :D

Haha, I'd love to! Actually, like I said on the other thread, teh bf and I were planning to go there sometime this summer. It'd be nice if we could do the ride with you guys while we're up there.


What if we were to set up a ride in, say, Santa Barbara or thereabouts? The SoCal and NorCal folder contingencies could meet up and have a statewide FolderFest. Anyone live in that area that might have suggestions for making this work? S.B. sure is a nice place to spend a bit of time in the dead of winter, so maybe a ride in January? Who is up for this?

That's an awesome idea, but what about in the area about end of summer-ish (late August)? What dates would be good for you guys?

Do it in the OC and I'm in.

Hello
I just received my Downtube 9FS yesterday, and will be taking it in to the service shop today for fine tuning, since I dont know much about bikes. I hope to go on my first ride this Sunday along the beach bike trail here in Santa monica. I would love to meet other folders around here so the Metrolink to SF sounds great on a Sunday. One thing, how long is that ride, because Im new to biking and dont want to be hurting to bad. I know that crotch is probably going be in pain, and is one of the reasons I had stayed away from biking in the past.

Folder.

Hey nekohime, I can probably make it barring any schedule conflicts (read: wife needs me to help with the baby!) SF isn't gonna work for me--isn't that like 10 hours by train?? :lol: I'm partial to Pasadena since I live here and there are some neighborhood rides that end up at the Rose Bowl that we could try. Metro riders can take the Gold line which has several stops throughout Pasadena (Filmore to Sierra Madre stations).

But really I'm up for any local ride--keep us updated.

Nekohime, kudos to you for setting up these rides. If I were anywhere near the area I would certainly join this ride. Unfortunately, I am on the other side of the country. Maybe us NYC riders can organize similar rides.

Hey nekohime, I can probably make it barring any schedule conflicts (read: wife needs me to help with the baby!) SF isn't gonna work for me--isn't that like 10 hours by train?? :lol: I'm partial to Pasadena since I live here and there are some neighborhood rides that end up at the Rose Bowl that we could try. Metro riders can take the Gold line which has several stops throughout Pasadena (Filmore to Sierra Madre stations).

But really I'm up for any local ride--keep us updated.

Nekohime,

May I also suggest the Pasadena (also Glendale, Griffith Park, Eagle Rock, South Pasadena, Alhambra etc.) areas. I am very familiar with these areas, train stops, good riding locations (flat, semi and hilly areas) plus where to showcase the folding bike's many interesting features. I know where to stop and where to avoid the tourist traps that line these areas plus certain gang runned "hot spots". Even if I am unable to ride with you (perish the thought!), I can still send maps and locations to visit. Always ready to assist in any capacity!

One thing, how long is that ride, because Im new to biking and dont want to be hurting to bad. I know that crotch is probably going be in pain, and is one of the reasons I had stayed away from biking in the past.

The rides aren't long...the last one was definitely not longer than 20mi. Around 15-ish or less? Does someone remember? Ah...and if your crotch is in pain, definitely try a new saddle.


Hey nekohime, I can probably make it barring any schedule conflicts (read: wife needs me to help with the baby!) SF isn't gonna work for me--isn't that like 10 hours by train?? :lol: I'm partial to Pasadena since I live here and there are some neighborhood rides that end up at the Rose Bowl that we could try. Metro riders can take the Gold line which has several stops throughout Pasadena (Filmore to Sierra Madre stations).

But really I'm up for any local ride--keep us updated.

Ooo, your wife gave birth already? Congrats! You must be very busy being a new daddy! :D:thumb:


Nekohime,

May I also suggest the Pasadena (also Glendale, Griffith Park, Eagle Rock, South Pasadena, Alhambra etc.) areas. I am very familiar with these areas, train stops, good riding locations (flat, semi and hilly areas) plus where to showcase the folding bike's many interesting features. I know where to stop and where to avoid the tourist traps that line these areas plus certain gang runned "hot spots". Even if I am unable to ride with you (perish the thought!), I can still send maps and locations to visit. Always ready to assist in any capacity!

Ok, so Pasadena area it is...if you can put together a nice pootling route, that would be great! What about dates? I'm thinking either August 23 or 30 (both Saturdays), but if those dates don't work for everyone, we can definitely change.

edit: Yamcha, the one after this ride will probably be in the OC...on the SART or something.

Ooo, your wife gave birth already? Congrats! You must be very busy being a new daddy! Not quite there yet but we're getting close--thanks.

I am open to any Saturday. Just try to limit the hours of the ride to the extreme morning or evenings. That way it will avoid possible heat stroke! I don't want anyone to get sick! These areas do not have the luxury of the sea breezes protecting them very well like the Westside, Orange County, Hollywood or even Downtown .

Ok, so we've pretty much decided on Pasadena...is Aug 30 8:00am ok? Meet at Union station, ride Gold line to wherever (*someone* needs to plan a route, as I'm not at all familiar with Pasadena).

Ok, so we've pretty much decided on Pasadena...is Aug 30 8:00am ok? Meet at Union station, ride Gold line to wherever (*someone* needs to plan a route, as I'm not at all familiar with Pasadena). Here's a suggestion (same route, different map sites):

http://veloroutes.org/bikemaps/?route=15418
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=2036900
http://www.mapmyride.com/route/us/ca/pasadena/313702000

- Start at Sierra Madre Villa Station/Gold Line
- Go north on Sierra Madre Villa Ave.
- Turn right at Sierra Madre Blvd.
- Make a u-turn at Michillinda Ave.
- Turn right at New York Dr.
- Turn left at Altadena Dr.
- Turn right at Orange Grove Blvd.
- Turn left at Hill Ave.
- Turn right at Maple St.
- Turn right at Lincoln Ave.
- Turn left at Seco St.
- Turn right at West Dr.
- Turn right at Washington Blvd.
- Turn right at Rosemont Ave.
- Turn left at Seco St.
- Turn right at Lincoln Ave.
- Turn left at Eureka St.
- Turn right at Fair Oaks Ave.
- Turn left at Holly St.
- End at Memorial Park Station/Gold Line

It turns out to be 14.5 miles and includes some wide roads and nice scenery. This route isn't necessarily for speed although there are some nice stretches you can burn through if ya like! The only parts I'm mildly concerned about safety-wise are the ride on Maple St. between Hill Ave. and Lincoln Ave. heading towards the Rose Bowl and on Fair Oaks Ave. and Holly St. heading towards Memorial Park Station. I've had no problems myself, but just not sure how a group would work out since there's some possible congestion. Let me know if the elevation works for you--it's just that beginning part that might be a little tough but I think the rest is a breeze. We can modify this route as needed. If anyone's up for it, I'm cool with sticking around Old Town and grabbing some lunch afterwards.

Ok, so we've pretty much decided on Pasadena...is Aug 30 8:00am ok? Meet at Union station, ride Gold line to wherever (*someone* needs to plan a route, as I'm not at all familiar with Pasadena).


Here's a suggestion (same route, different map sites):

http://veloroutes.org/bikemaps/?route=15418
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=2036900
http://www.mapmyride.com/route/us/ca/pasadena/313702000

- Start at Sierra Madre Villa Station/Gold Line
- Go north on Sierra Madre Villa Ave.
- Turn right at Sierra Madre Blvd.
- Make a u-turn at Michillinda Ave.
- Turn right at New York Dr.
- Turn left at Altadena Dr.
- Turn right at Orange Grove Blvd.
- Turn left at Hill Ave.
- Turn right at Maple St.
- Turn right at Lincoln Ave.
- Turn left at Seco St.
- Turn right at West Dr.
- Turn right at Washington Blvd.
- Turn right at Rosemont Ave.
- Turn left at Seco St.
- Turn right at Lincoln Ave.
- Turn left at Eureka St.
- Turn right at Fair Oaks Ave.
- Turn left at Holly St.
- End at Memorial Park Station/Gold Line

It turns out to be 14.5 miles and includes some wide roads and nice scenery. This route isn't necessarily for speed although there are some nice stretches you can burn through if ya like! The only parts I'm mildly concerned about safety-wise are the ride on Maple St. between Hill Ave. and Lincoln Ave. heading towards the Rose Bowl and on Fair Oaks Ave. and Holly St. heading towards Memorial Park Station. I've had no problems myself, but just not sure how a group would work out since there's some possible congestion. Let me know if the elevation works for you--it's just that beginning part that might be a little tough but I think the rest is a breeze. We can modify this route as needed. If anyone's up for it, I'm cool with sticking around Old Town and grabbing some lunch afterwards.

My suggestions might be a little bit differnet from V6's. I tend to avoid much of Pasadena due to traffic-especially with a group. Since I am away from my own computer (I am using a public one right now and pressed for time) I will return shortly and propose several possiblilites for all of you to pick from. The time & date is fine for me.

Ok, so the route v6 suggested is ok, except for this part:


.....- Turn right at Washington Blvd.
- Turn right at Rosemont Ave.
- Turn left at Seco St.
- Turn right at Lincoln Ave.
- Turn left at Eureka St.
- Turn right at Fair Oaks Ave......

because FF says it is not that safe. She also suggested we stop for lunch at Sun's Restaurant near Highland Park station because...


...The food is very fresh, large proportions, and a wide variety of authentic Chinese dishes to choose from. The prices are very reasonable (read cheap) from 4-6 dollars Tuesday to Saturday. There are 2 types of meals offered for individuals or/groups. The Lunch Special is a large representation of the dishes offered at this restaurant. It comes with steamed or fried rice, fried wantons, egg roll, tea & fortune cookie. The Dinner Special is about 10 dollars a plate. It is served family style (for 2 or more people) anytime. Similar to the Lunch Special it has a large cross section of dishes offered, plus various appetizers, bowls of steamed rice, tea and Fortune plus Almond cookies for all guests included in price.

Right next door to Sun's restaurant is a large bike shop. Perhaps you might want to stop there too?


It sounds yum, and the bike shop next to it will provide visibility and maybe advertising...if we go this route I'll see if I can get a poster in there.

So, with this in mind, any route revisions?

This was on *teh other socal forumz* and I had to repost here for lulz:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f316/heddywouldgo/leopard-folder-big2.jpg

Can we make this on a Sunday? I work Saturdays....


I thought I ask..
I will be looking for another sattle. The velo saddle is nice but is torture for me.

Thanks..

Downtube IVFS.

Is it ok to ride on the Sidewalk..? I had a friend die before when whe was hit by a car, and one of my ex girlfriend got hit when a vehicle suddenly pulled out of a parking place..

because FF says it is not that safe. Well, Washington/Rosement are actually part of the Rose Bowl ride (check out the map) so they should be fine. :) In my opinion, it's really Fair Oaks that may be trouble because of the traffic, but it's less than a quarter mile and we'll be doing this Saturday morning.


She also suggested we stop for lunch at Sun's Restaurant near Highland Park station because... Sure that's cool, although riding there will probably add another 5 miles to the ride (or were you thinking about just taking the train down there?) If FF or anyone else is familiar with that area please suggest a route.

Can we make this on a Sunday? I work Saturdays....


I thought I ask..
I will be looking for another sattle. The velo saddle is nice but is torture for me.

Thanks..

Downtube IVFS.

Sundays are fine with me too; that'd make it the 31st of August instead of the 30th. Er...is that ok with everyone though? We'll go with the date that more people are ok with.

Is it ok to ride on the Sidewalk..? I had a friend die before when whe was hit by a car, and one of my ex girlfriend got hit when a vehicle suddenly pulled out of a parking place..

Well actually, it's statistically more dangerous to ride on the sidewalk...check the dozens of threads in the commuting and A&S forums as to why. In practice though, as long as you're vigilant, both sidewalk and road riding are safe. In this ride we will be riding on the roads, as there's not enough space on the sidewalk for a group to ride, and being in a group increases visibility, so less chance of being hit by cars.


Well, Washington/Rosement are actually part of the Rose Bowl ride (check out the map) so they should be fine. :) In my opinion, it's really Fair Oaks that may be trouble because of the traffic, but it's less than a quarter mile and we'll be doing this Saturday morning.

Sure that's cool, although riding there will probably add another 5 miles to the ride (or were you thinking about just taking the train down there?) If FF or anyone else is familiar with that area please suggest a route.

Well, if no one suggests another route, we'll go with yours. And hurrah, you get to be ride leader for this one, complete with the funky red armband! I don't mind riding another extra 5mi, but we can certainly take the Gold line instead if we're tired/our butts are sore.

I would love a Sunday 8/31 ride. I think it would be great if a future ride originated at Union Station and ended somewhere in the Pasadena area. Another fun ride would be to go from Union Station to Culver City via Jefferson.

Is it ok to ride on the Sidewalk..? I had a friend die before when whe was hit by a car, and one of my ex girlfriend got hit when a vehicle suddenly pulled out of a parking place..

The only time I had a major accident (beyond a simple cuts & scrapes) was on a sidewalk. I thought that it was safe because it was separated from the road. Not quite true since cars pull in or take off from gas stations, homes, apartments, etc. through driveways. So rethink the thought of "safe sidewalks" whether you are a cyclist or pedestrian. The safest areas are where all sort of possible interactions between larger and smaller vehicles are completely eliminated and separated-more like the biking/walking curbed areas of Europe are like.


Well, Washington/Rosement are actually part of the Rose Bowl ride (check out the map) so they should be fine. :) In my opinion, it's really Fair Oaks that may be trouble because of the traffic, but it's less than a quarter mile and we'll be doing this Saturday morning.

Sure that's cool, although riding there will probably add another 5 miles to the ride (or were you thinking about just taking the train down there?) If FF or anyone else is familiar with that area please suggest a route.

If the purpose of the bike ride is for casual riding, it is fine to go around the Rose Bowl. I would suggest that everyone purchase a day pass to hop on and off public transit. Remember that August is one of the hottest months of the year. Water bottles and sunscreen are very, very important but there are other better protection against the heat of the day. One of which is a air conditioned train/bus to keep cool. And if you are interested in Sun's Restaurant, it is also air conditioned. I will stop by some time soon to ask about where we can keep the bikes as we eat. I have brought one of my folders with me inside the restaurant when I am riding one of them-even the owners sometimes see me out riding. But several folders at one time might be a potential problem.

I would love a Sunday 8/31 ride. I think it would be great if a future ride originated at Union Station and ended somewhere in the Pasadena area. Another fun ride would be to go from Union Station to Culver City via Jefferson.

That's two votes for 8/31 ride...three if you count me, but I don't care either way--I'm organizing this, so I'm gonna ride whichever date you guys choose. Oh, and the ride will start at Union Station again--then we take the Gold line to Sierra Madre, then we start riding to wherever.


If the purpose of the bike ride is for casual riding, it is fine to go around the Rose Bowl. I would suggest that everyone purchase a day pass to hop on and off public transit. Remember that August is one of the hottest months of the year. Water bottles and sunscreen are very, very important but there are other better protection against the heat of the day. One of which is a air conditioned train/bus to keep cool. And if you are interested in Sun's Restaurant, it is also air conditioned. I will stop by some time soon to ask about where we can keep the bikes as we eat. I have brought one of my folders with me inside the restaurant when I am riding one of them-even the owners sometimes see me out riding. But several folders at one time might be a potential problem.

Yes, I figure around the Rose Bowl is fine, since this is a casual ride anyway. But wait, 15mi is a bit too long in the summer heat (for me anyway), even if we do set out at 8am. Options would be to shorten the ride by using the gold line instead of some spots, or setting out earlier, 7am maybe. And yes, sunblock! Water! I am not responsible for you guys if you get heat stroke... :p

About bike parking, the last ride, we just locked them to the bike racks outside the restaurant we went to. If there are racks, then we don't all have to bring our bikes in--those who are comfortable leaving them outside can do so, and those who don't can bring them in. Less clutter that way.

That's two votes for 8/31 ride...three if you count me, but I don't care either way--I'm organizing this, so I'm gonna ride whichever date you guys choose. Oh, and the ride will start at Union Station again--then we take the Gold line to Sierra Madre, then we start riding to wherever.

Yes, I figure around the Rose Bowl is fine, since this is a casual ride anyway. But wait, 15mi is a bit too long in the summer heat (for me anyway), even if we do set out at 8am. Options would be to shorten the ride by using the gold line instead of some spots, or setting out earlier, 7am maybe. And yes, sunblock! Water! I am not responsible for you guys if you get heat stroke... :p

About bike parking, the last ride, we just locked them to the bike racks outside the restaurant we went to. If there are racks, then we don't all have to bring our bikes in--those who are comfortable leaving them outside can do so, and those who don't can bring them in. Less clutter that way.

I know this area very well. One of the things I do not recommend is separation from the bikes. This is a area is very prone to bike theft (one of the reasons of me switching to folding bikes over any other bike type). I already lost 2 bikes around there-prefolding bike era. So either we keep the bikes with us or make arrangements with the bike shop next door to keep them locked inside the shop. But let me talk to the restaurant's owners first. One of the nice things about smaller folding bikes (even the 20" Kents and the Dahons) is the ability of these bikes to be bagged and tucked underneath the table like the bike pictured here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/world-of-folding-bicycles/265102648/in/set-72157594325178229/

I took this picture at another Chinese Restaurant-complete with linen tablecloth & napkins!

Even locking with a heavy U-lock does not stop these desperate people around here. They strip parts of the bikes, vandalize what they cannot take completely away, or simply try to smash the lock. Trust me, you will be going through a "hot" area of Los Angeles. People who live around here learn to watch their backs-or someone will take advantage of you or the situation.

That's two votes for 8/31 ride... Sunday is fine for me.


But wait, 15mi is a bit too long in the summer heat (for me anyway), even if we do set out at 8am. We can shorten it.

Sunday is fine for me.

We can shorten it.

Don't wanna wake up earlier? :lol:

Ok, so which part of the route would we take out?

http://veloroutes.org/bikemaps/?route=15640

This route stays on the east side of Pasadena and is 8.6 miles. As you may have noticed, I'm trying to make use of Sierra Madre Blvd. (part of the Rose Parade route) and New York Dr. because they're nice and wide. BTW, there's a LBS called Open Road Bicycle Shop at the corner of Colorado and Sierra Madre Blvd. we could probably coordinate our event with (whatever that may entail).

We can also do the Rose Bowl side instead--I'll post a route for this soon (or someone else can make a suggestion).

Note: Here's Pasadena's Bike Route Map for 2008. (http://www.ci.pasadena.ca.us/trans/TPD/pdf/Summer%202008%20Pasadena%20Bike%20Map.pdf)
Note: Here are search results for routes through Pasadena on MapMyRide.com. (http://www.mapmyride.com/search?txtPageNumber=1&txtSortBy=featured_flag+desc%2C+average_rating+desc%2C+route_name&txtLocation=Pasadena%2C+CA&txtKeyword=Pasadena&lstRouteTypeID=2&btnSearch=SEARCH+%3E#RESULTS)

Well, if no one suggests another route, we'll go with yours. And hurrah, you get to be ride leader for this one, complete with the funky red armband!
Does that mean I can come out of "lurk" mode?

Yep yep. :p

http://veloroutes.org/bikemaps/?route=15640

This route stays on the east side of Pasadena and is 8.6 miles. As you may have noticed, I'm trying to make use of Sierra Madre Blvd. (part of the Rose Parade route) and New York Dr. because they're nice and wide. BTW, there's a LBS called Open Road Bicycle Shop at the corner of Colorado and Sierra Madre Blvd. we could probably coordinate our event with (whatever that may entail).

We can also do the Rose Bowl side instead--I'll post a route for this soon (or someone else can make a suggestion).

Note: Here's Pasadena's Bike Route Map for 2008. (http://www.ci.pasadena.ca.us/trans/TPD/pdf/Summer%202008%20Pasadena%20Bike%20Map.pdf)
Note: Here are search results for routes through Pasadena on MapMyRide.com. (http://www.mapmyride.com/search?txtPageNumber=1&txtSortBy=featured_flag+desc%2C+average_rating+desc%2C+route_name&txtLocation=Pasadena%2C+CA&txtKeyword=Pasadena&lstRouteTypeID=2&btnSearch=SEARCH+%3E#RESULTS)


I do not want to put a damper on the ride, but are you aware of the potential problems that can crop up? We probably do not have a "SAG" wagon to pick up people that experience problems out there. How about sticking close to the train station whenever possible. After about 9 am on a August/September day I do not care to push my luck with cycling or other exertion activities-especially against the terrain of Pasadena/Altadena area. It is very nice other times of the year. But the smog problem is very pronounced during hot spells-not so good for people with known or even unknown heart or respiratory conditions . I rode through many parts of Pasadena/Aletadena areas including the routes listed on those maps. I like the routes, although some parts cross known crime and/or gang trouble spots and I prefer to avoid them whenever possible. I have learned over the years not to ask for trouble-especially since my own access to backups/rescue no longer exist.

I tend and like to group together points of interest (i.e. the restaurant and the bike shop) because of these above things in mind. Both establishments are within easy biking even walking distance-at 0.8 relatively flat miles-from the train stop according to Google Maps. During the middle part of the day it will be passable as far as dealing with traffic or people trouble. I know it is not very exciting but here it is.

I do not want to put a damper on the ride, but are you aware of the potential problems that can crop up? We probably do not have a "SAG" wagon to pick up people that experience problems out there. How about sticking close to the train station whenever possible. After about 9 am on a August/September day I do not care to push my luck with cycling or other exertion activities-especially against the terrain of Pasadena/Altadena area. It is very nice other times of the year. But the smog problem is very pronounced during hot spells-not so good for people with known or even unknown heart or respiratory conditions . I rode through many parts of Pasadena/Aletadena areas including the routes listed on those maps. I like the routes, although some parts cross known crime and/or gang trouble spots and I prefer to avoid them whenever possible. I have learned over the years not to ask for trouble-especially since my own access to backups/rescue no longer exist.

I tend and like to group together points of interest (i.e. the restaurant and the bike shop) because of these above things in mind. Both establishments are within easy biking even walking distance-at 0.8 relatively flat miles-from the train stop according to Google Maps. During the middle part of the day it will be passable as far as dealing with traffic or people trouble. I know it is not very exciting but here it is. Smog, gangs, hilly terrain, points of non-interest--my routes are just asking for trouble! :lol: But seriously, I don't want to put anyone in danger or make this ride more than it is... just a casual get-together with other SoCal folders. Wherever we go, I look forward to meeting everyone (especially if you own something other than a Dahon!)

I'll make a guest appearance if the fee is right :D

I've been giving this some thought. I love the idea of a Pasadena ride. But in the context of this and future SoCal Folder rides, it may be the right ride at the wrong time. If I put myself into the "organizer" mindset, I'm not just thinking about this ride, but the next one. And where will that be? We'll have done Pasadena and the S.F. Valley. What's next. Somewhere coastal, maybe? Metro Green Line to Manhattan Beach? And on that ride we'll all be whining about how cold it is in the morning in December at the beach. Just as some of us are worried now about how hot it will be in Pasadena in August.

I know it's moving backwards in our planning, but it seems to me that each route has a best time of year. And if we look ahead and consider this event as ongoing, it's only logical that we should ride each route at its best time. Beach in summer, inland in winter, etc.

All that said, I'm happy to show up anywhere, any time. Sorry if this throws a monkey wrench into the works.

Smog, gangs, hilly terrain, points of non-interest--my routes are just asking for trouble! :lol: But seriously, I don't want to put anyone in danger or make this ride more than it is... just a casual get-together with other SoCal folders. Wherever we go, I look forward to meeting everyone (especially if you own something other than a Dahon!)

Most of your routes are fine-except for some parts of it. The Sierra Madre Bl. part is fine. I usually choose to take the bus myself from the Memorial Park Train station east to that part of Pasadena, whether I am on the bike or not. Using a folding bike allows me to pick and choose what is in my own best interests without infringing on other's rights or space on buses or even the train. I guess you have zeroed in on the real underlying spirit of this meeting, V6. We need to get together just to socialize in a positive personal way that even the Internet cannot convey-upfront and personal. I simply am being the thoughtful person I am whether professionally or personally. The bikes are secondary means of connection to points of interest-not terribly important in of themselves. It is the users/owners are the important ones. I rather err on "babying" too much than seeing someone suffer something that can be prevented with some forethought.


I've been giving this some thought. I love the idea of a Pasadena ride. But in the context of this and future SoCal Folder rides, it may be the right ride at the wrong time. If I put myself into the "organizer" mindset, I'm not just thinking about this ride, but the next one. And where will that be? We'll have done Pasadena and the S.F. Valley. What's next. Somewhere coastal, maybe? Metro Green Line to Manhattan Beach? And on that ride we'll all be whining about how cold it is in the morning in December at the beach. Just as some of us are worried now about how hot it will be in Pasadena in August.

I know it's moving backwards in our planning, but it seems to me that each route has a best time of year. And if we look ahead and consider this event as ongoing, it's only logical that we should ride each route at its best time. Beach in summer, inland in winter, etc.

All that said, I'm happy to show up anywhere, any time. Sorry if this throws a monkey wrench into the works.

The mild "cold" we experience here in Southern California is usually just a inconvienence to riders-unless it is accomplied with pouring rain. Even the beach cities might experience some freak heat wave. As I stated before, I am not trying to put a damper on anyone's idea of a good ride. I just don't want to be out in the midday heat-especially the Pineapple Express's version of added humidity at that time of the year. We all are free agents when it comes to choice. I am not saying not to-just a reminder that we all are not created equal when it comes to endurance or give alerts to troublespots I am aware of or limit riding around in those areas. If the group decides to go or do something I feel that it is not in my best interest, I can decline or modify my own actions. After all, I am a big girl now. While I do some of my riding at the beach areas during the summer, that does not stop me from using the trains/buses to get there from my overheated house in the East side of L.A.-or anywhere else around my neighborhood or local cities like Pasadena.

Who knows what the weather will be at the end of August? I am just asking that we all be flexible and remember the next guy/girl who may not be able to take it and might be too shy to speak up. I guess it is still the Social Worker in me to plan accordenly.

Who knows what the weather will be at the end of August?
Well, nobody knows, but sufficient statistics have been compiled that for the purposes of planning a cycling event we can make a pretty decent guess.

From Weather.com (http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/USCA0840):

Pasadena, CA Weather Facts:

On average, the warmest month is August.
The highest recorded temperature was 110°F in 1934.
January is the average coolest month.
The lowest recorded temperature was 17°F in 2003.
The most precipitation on average occurs in February.


A graph on the page I linked to above indicates that the average daily high temperature for Pasadena in August is 91°F.


I am just asking that we all be flexible and remember the next guy/girl who may not be able to take it and might be too shy to speak up.
What do you mean by flexible?

Because if by flexibility you mean that if someone on the ride is having a hard time then we all stop and wait while that person hydrates in the shade, and then we all usher him/her to the bus stop to wait for the next bus, I'm totally with you on that. On an organized event like this there should be a no-rider-left-behind-policy. And whether that policy existed or not, I would personally make sure that no one was left behind in distress as a matter of common courtesy.

If, on the other hand, by flexibility you mean that if it looks like the ride day is going to be "really hot" then we should hear suggestions about moving the ride to the following weekend when it might be cooler, or move the time and venue of the ride from Pasadena in the morning to Manhattan Beach in the evening, I'd say that's unreasonable. Most of us will be building our schedule around the details of this ride, and it would be improper to change the details at the last minute.

All this, of course, IMHO.

Hey, Spalding. What's with the gray? Excellent question. If typing in all-caps can be interpreted as shouting, why not have grayed type represent whispering? When I have something sort of angry sounding to say, but I don't want to sound angry, I whisper it. I want it to be said, but I don't want to upset anyone. It's my little way of being passive aggressive. I'm glad we had this little chat. Cheers!

Well, I'm thinking since we're leaving earlier than last time, we can avoid most of the heat. It doesn't start to get really hot until around 11ish, and we'll most probably be at the restaurant by then. Meet time for this one is 8am, we'll be on the train by 8:30, in Pasadena by 9, and riding from about 9-10:30ish.

As for the next ride, I was thinking OC, possibly SART (in the daytime, of course!!!!) because Yamcha says so. :lol:

Well, nobody knows, but sufficient statistics have been compiled that for the purposes of planning a cycling event we can make a pretty decent guess.

From Weather.com (http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/USCA0840):


A graph on the page I linked to above indicates that the average daily high temperature for Pasadena in August is 91°F.

What do you mean by flexible?

Because if by flexibility you mean that if someone on the ride is having a hard time then we all stop and wait while that person hydrates in the shade, and then we all usher him/her to the bus stop to wait for the next bus, I'm totally with you on that. On an organized event like this there should be a no-rider-left-behind-policy. And whether that policy existed or not, I would personally make sure that no one was left behind in distress as a matter of common courtesy.

If, on the other hand, by flexibility you mean that if it looks like the ride day is going to be "really hot" then we should hear suggestions about moving the ride to the following weekend when it might be cooler, or move the time and venue of the ride from Pasadena in the morning to Manhattan Beach in the evening, I'd say that's unreasonable. Most of us will be building our schedule around the details of this ride, and it would be improper to change the details at the last minute.

All this, of course, IMHO.

No, no I am not for shifting around times or dates for my own personal whims. It just that when I am out on any ride-or nothing to do with bikes-I always keep options open to me to change when things are not working out as I thought they should have. In translating to group activities, it is simply observing and changing behavior patterns for the benefit of all. Not running around with our heads cut off with no clear direction or idea to go on. I will continue to post my own opinions and maps whenever possible to give others that are not as familiar with the Pasadena general area, but the decisions are up to each participant-and the group as a whole. The last ride I was not able to go on because of unexpected health problems with elders. I have learned many things from the aged. Planning ahead yet remaining flexible to changing circumstances is one. Another is staying close to home as I will be with all of you on this ride.

All I ask is to post the time and date plus proposed bike routes here on-line as soon as it is decided on.


Well, I'm thinking since we're leaving earlier than last time, we can avoid most of the heat. It doesn't start to get really hot until around 11ish, and we'll most probably be at the restaurant by then. Meet time for this one is 8am, we'll be on the train by 8:30, in Pasadena by 9, and riding from about 9-10:30ish.

As for the next ride, I was thinking OC, possibly SART (in the daytime, of course!!!!) because Yamcha says so. :lol:

Fine by me. Even if I miss your meeting downtown or out in Pasadena (elderly people are unpredictable), I will be at the restaurant at 11 o'clock with one of the bikes (the restaurant opens then). The next ride is another one I look forward to. I have not visited Orange County in perhaps 20 years. Exploring it is something these bikes are really good for.

Well, if no one else comes up with an alternate route (don't look at me--dunno about Pasadena!) we'll go with the shorter route of v6v6v6's. So it's Sunday, Aug 31, 8am at Union station, then up to sierra madre villa stn, then ride around rose bowl, then to Sun's. Yes?

Well, if no one else comes up with an alternate route (don't look at me--dunno about Pasadena!) we'll go with the shorter route of v6v6v6's. So it's Sunday, Aug 31, 8am at Union station, then up to sierra madre villa stn, then ride around rose bowl, then to Sun's. Yes? If it's too hot inland, we can always hit the beaches! I've always wanted to try out Ballona Creek. The ocean breeze sounds nice...

http://www.ballonacreek.org/maps/bikepath.shtml

Well, if no one else comes up with an alternate route (don't look at me--dunno about Pasadena!) we'll go with the shorter route of v6v6v6's. So it's Sunday, Aug 31, 8am at Union station, then up to sierra madre villa stn, then ride around rose bowl, then to Sun's. Yes?

Great! Good plan! I went over to Sun's restaurant today and spoke to them about the possibility of hosting the get-together at the restaurant (complete with bikes inside). While I or nekohime has to place a formal reservation for one of the dining rooms at least a week or two before the date, they would like to know how many people-and bikes-are going to be there. I gave them a rough guess, but still start thinking about if you like to attend.

I will see about posting pictures of the dining rooms when I get a chance to.

Ok guys, sorry I haven't gotten to this...so the date, time, and route are set, see the official events thread for that. I'll update the website soon so you guys can sign up.

Hi guys, I edited the flyer, so please print out a bunch and spread them around town! :D

https://cp.freehostia.com/members/filemanager/?action=view&file=Folding+Bike+Flyer2.pdf

Good luck with your ride guys. Some of us had a nice meeting at Hyde Park, London UK last Sunday and we cycled up by the canalside from a place called Regents Park. Hope the weather is nice for you on the day! Looking forward to pics in due course :)

Ok, now the website is updated (FINALLY!!!) so you can go sign up. If you plan on going to lunch at Sun's, sign up at least a week before the ride.

edit: also, the above link for the flyer is wrong, here's the correct one

http://socal.folder.ride.googlepages.com/FoldingBikeFlyer2.pdf

[quote=v6v6v6;7008906]If it's too hot inland, we can always hit the beaches! I've always wanted to try out Ballona Creek. The ocean breeze sounds nice...



Not a bad idea. I saw that thread on the bike shop that opened in El Segundo. We could always do the bike trail on the beach, and start at Temescal and PCH, and ride to Manhattan beach. We could eat somewhere there, but my choice would be panchos restaurant on Rosecrans. (nice place). Then ride into El Segundo to the shop, then eventually back. Im not saying this because is close to me, but because we will be on a bike path for the most part, and considerably safer.

Just a thought..

Bump! Because the ride is coming up and y'all gotta sign up...

Lookin forward to it! I just did a portion of the ride tonight.

BTW, I noticed your route description mentions the Rose Bowl but I think we decided to stay on the east side of Pasadena?

Oh, and the date still says April 19th!