Speedub.Nate
07-03-08, 12:05 PM
I'm having some trouble with this decision, and can't find much online. I'm rebuilding a gear hub into my Xootr rear wheel.
Looking at the photo posted by forum member BruceMetras in the following post:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=5875127&postcount=1411
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2002/1937296727_24822edfaa_b.jpg
...it looks like a 2-cross lacing pattern works pretty well. But according to Danny Epstein's spoke length calculator on Applied Thought (http://www.appliedthought.com/danny/Spoke/SpokeCalculator.html), a 406mm rim laced 2 cross to my gear hub (a Sram i-Motion 9) results in only a 50° spoke pull angle.
3-cross gets me around 70° and 4-cross is close to 90°.
I've been under the impression that the closest I can get to 90 degrees, the better. But I understand there may be some limitations to 3x and 4x laced wheels when combining hubs with large flange diameters and small diameter rims. Is there any (numerical) way to better predict these conflicts?
The dimensions of the SRAM i9 aren't too much different from Shimano's Nexus / RedBand / Alfine or SRAM's Spectro series, so I figure they can all be lumped in to one general category.
BTW, if anyone is curious: I opted to re-use the stock rim the Xootr Swift ships with. I emailed Xootr on this, and was advised the rim is a JetSet CH-180 (http://www.jetset.com.tw under the MTB section). Naked, mostly cleaned of road grime, and with a not-too-worn brake track, the rim weighs in at 335g on my digital scale. I've measured the ERD at 393mm using the "two spokes, two nipples & a caliper" method. Stock spokes are 182-183mm / 187-188mm 14ga (2.0mm) straight / unbutted.
So anyhow, what say you? Is 2x lacing it? 3 cross or 4 cross possible?
Looking at the photo posted by forum member BruceMetras in the following post:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=5875127&postcount=1411
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2002/1937296727_24822edfaa_b.jpg
...it looks like a 2-cross lacing pattern works pretty well. But according to Danny Epstein's spoke length calculator on Applied Thought (http://www.appliedthought.com/danny/Spoke/SpokeCalculator.html), a 406mm rim laced 2 cross to my gear hub (a Sram i-Motion 9) results in only a 50° spoke pull angle.
3-cross gets me around 70° and 4-cross is close to 90°.
I've been under the impression that the closest I can get to 90 degrees, the better. But I understand there may be some limitations to 3x and 4x laced wheels when combining hubs with large flange diameters and small diameter rims. Is there any (numerical) way to better predict these conflicts?
The dimensions of the SRAM i9 aren't too much different from Shimano's Nexus / RedBand / Alfine or SRAM's Spectro series, so I figure they can all be lumped in to one general category.
BTW, if anyone is curious: I opted to re-use the stock rim the Xootr Swift ships with. I emailed Xootr on this, and was advised the rim is a JetSet CH-180 (http://www.jetset.com.tw under the MTB section). Naked, mostly cleaned of road grime, and with a not-too-worn brake track, the rim weighs in at 335g on my digital scale. I've measured the ERD at 393mm using the "two spokes, two nipples & a caliper" method. Stock spokes are 182-183mm / 187-188mm 14ga (2.0mm) straight / unbutted.
So anyhow, what say you? Is 2x lacing it? 3 cross or 4 cross possible?