Training & Nutrition - Can We Enjoy Ice Cream Again

Breyers Carbsmart Ice Cream (http://www.icecreamusa.com/products/product.cfm?u=77567-28320&b=1)

http://www.icecreamusa.com/assets/images/products/77567-28320_lg.jpg

So what do you think? Half the calories or normal ice cream and less fat.

It sounds disgusting.


INGREDIENTS: MILK, SKIM MILK, CREAM, SORBITOL, POLYDEXTROSE, COCOA (PROCESSED WITH ALKALI), WHEY, GLYCERINE, CELLULOSE GEL, PROPYLENE GLYCOL MONOESTERS, MONO AND DIGLYCERIDES, SALT, CELLULOSE GUM, CAROB BEAN GUM, GUAR GUM, SUCRALOSE (SPLENDA ® BRAND), ACESULFAME POTASSIUM, CARRAGEENAN, NATURAL FLAVOR.

i dont eat any of the low calories stuff. I pray i never have too either. I love full flavor too much

One of the reasons I ride is so I can afford to skip over low calorie stuff like this. Desserts with names like "death by chocolate" don't worry me although I am still leery of the Vermonster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermonster).

1.) This actually tastes pretty good.

2.) Once of the tricks used to make it low carb is through the use of sugar alcohols instead of regular sugars. Sugar alcohols are not absorbed by the body. However consumption of sugar alcohols causes stomach problems for many people, including gas, cramps, and lots of time on the toilet. If you dont know what your tolerance to sugar alcohols is, find out before a recovery day not a century ;)

sounds gross.

Haagen Daaz Vanilla Extra Rich Light
Ingredients: SKIM MILK, SUGAR, CREAM, CORN SYRUP, EGG YOLKS, NATURAL FLAVOR, VANILLA BEAN FLAKES.
200 cal per 1/2 cup, and very very enjoyable.

or Haagen Daaz regular vanilla bean
Ingredients: CREAM, SKIM MILK, SUGAR, EGG YOLKS, NATURAL FLAVOR, GROUND VANILLA BEANS.
290 cal per 1/2 cup also very enjoyable.

pass on the artificial stuff.

I prefer the Haagen Daaz (sp?) Mayan Chocolate or the Coffee flavor. Good stuff.

Half the fat and none of the taste.

Make room for real treats rather than chemically manufactured "food."

It's not new

There are several decent low cal, low fat, and even fat free ice cream. If its been long enough since you've enjoyed the good stuff, you can fool yourself pretty well. Many of the low fat ones have good ingredients and real sugar, but are just made with low fat or fat free milk...I get down!

One of the reasons I ride is so I can afford to skip over low calorie stuff like this. Desserts with names like "death by chocolate" don't worry me although I am still leery of the Vermonster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermonster).

This is the only time I will agree with someone from Chicago. That's why I ride too. My weakness is frozen custard. That make Haagen Dazs look like low cal.

If you ride enough you can eat whatever you want in moderation. With my normal workouts at riding a ton on the weekends, its normal for me to burn over 6000 calories a week. Its the main reason I workout so much, so I can eat whatever, and still be in great shape.

Coconut bliss (http://www.coconutbliss.com/). :love:

This is the only time I will agree with someone from Chicago. That's why I ride too. My weakness is frozen custard. That make Haagen Dazs look like low cal.

If it's any consolation to you I never mind the 5-hour drive to Door County for Not Licked Yet (http://notlickedyet.net/) frozen custard. :)

Coconut bliss (http://www.coconutbliss.com/). :love:

If you ever come to the REAL Portland, try Needham ice cream. Coconut ice cream with pieces of dark chocolate. It's heavenly. You can only get it at their Rte 1 Scarborough store.

http://www.lenlibby.com/

this is pretty much the only time of year i really eat ice cream, so i may as well eat the real thing. I guess if i was really on a diet or something i'd eat the low cal stuff. I've tried the no sugar ice cream and i have to say, it's actually very good! it shows you how we don't really need sugar as much as we think we do. Another thing i like, the So Good frozen soya dessert.

But these days it's real ice cream. Right now i have chapmans' mocha almond fudge in my freezer. it was on special last week and since i have a small freezer, i can pretty much buy only one decent sized container at a time. my other faves: Hagen Dasz chocolate, coffee and vanilla almond; Breyer's chocolate, choc-vanilla and maple walnut.

1+ on bypassing the weird "lite" and diet ice creams. Just eat real ice cream in moderation. it isn't that bad for you...

Edy's Grand Chocolate
milk, cream, skim milk, sugar, cocoa processed with alkali, cellulose gum, mono and diglycerides, guar gum, carrageenan, dextrose

(not that I know what all those ingredients are)

Not just haagen daaz, regular beyers has the same all natural ingredients.
Ingredients: MILK, CREAM, SUGAR, NATURAL FLAVOR, NATURAL TARA GUM.


sounds gross.

Haagen Daaz Vanilla Extra Rich Light
Ingredients: SKIM MILK, SUGAR, CREAM, CORN SYRUP, EGG YOLKS, NATURAL FLAVOR, VANILLA BEAN FLAKES.
200 cal per 1/2 cup, and very very enjoyable.

or Haagen Daaz regular vanilla bean
Ingredients: CREAM, SKIM MILK, SUGAR, EGG YOLKS, NATURAL FLAVOR, GROUND VANILLA BEANS.
290 cal per 1/2 cup also very enjoyable.

pass on the artificial stuff.

Portion control works. Breyer's French Vanilla is only 140 calories per half cup.

The last thing in the world I worry about is calories / carbs whatever. I can eat what I like. However I am Lactose intolerant. I have to drink milk that has been modified to eliminate Lactose. The other way I can drink the nectar of the gods is to boil it and add turmeric and ginger. I get bloating, back problems, gas, sleepiness, and I blame my prostate enlargement on milk. (It's benign now)

However having said all this, I stay away from ice cream generally but I love the stuff. Stay away from the cheap stuff. If you're gonna eat ice cream bear in mind that you are taking in zero nutrition because it is so cold that it never digests anyways despite what people think. The more expensive stuff is more likely to have natural ingredients which means that you are avoiding the chemical soup stuff.

However having said all this, I stay away from ice cream generally but I love the stuff. Stay away from the cheap stuff. If you're gonna eat ice cream bear in mind that you are taking in zero nutrition because it is so cold that it never digests anyways despite what people think. The more expensive stuff is more likely to have natural ingredients which means that you are avoiding the chemical soup stuff.

Wow, where do you get your bad information?

Wow, where do you get your bad information?

Which information do you think is bad?

Which information do you think is bad?

That ice ceam is not digested because it is cold

The last thing in the world I worry about is calories / carbs whatever. I can eat what I like. However I am Lactose intolerant. I have to drink milk that has been modified to eliminate Lactose. The other way I can drink the nectar of the gods is to boil it and add turmeric and ginger. I get bloating, back problems, gas, sleepiness, and I blame my prostate enlargement on milk. (It's benign now)

However having said all this, I stay away from ice cream generally but I love the stuff. Stay away from the cheap stuff. If you're gonna eat ice cream bear in mind that you are taking in zero nutrition because it is so cold that it never digests anyways despite what people think. The more expensive stuff is more likely to have natural ingredients which means that you are avoiding the chemical soup stuff.

Heat a large pot of water to a consistent 98.6 degrees F.

Put a cup of ice cream in a baggie and drop it into the water. Apply external heat as necessary to keep the water at 98.6F.

How long do you think the ice cream is going to remain "cold"?

And that's only if you swallowed it all at once. Most people eat ice cream a bite at a time. It's melted and near body temperature by the time it hits the stomach. Digestion (i.e. absorption of nutrients into the bloodstream) occurs in the small intestine anyway, not the stomach.

Heat a large pot of water to a consistent 98.6 degrees F.

Put a cup of ice cream in a baggie and drop it into the water. Apply external heat as necessary to keep the water at 98.6F.

How long do you think the ice cream is going to remain "cold"?

And that's only if you swallowed it all at once. Most people eat ice cream a bite at a time. It's melted and near body temperature by the time it hits the stomach. Digestion (i.e. absorption of nutrients into the bloodstream) occurs in the small intestine anyway, not the stomach.

+1. I've heard some funny things, but not digesting ice cream because "it is cold" is pretty far out there. I googled around to see if I could even find one crackpot site with the same claim, but found nothing.

Wish I had the higher metabolism some cyclists have. I don't. Calories have their effect. Nothing wrong with Mango Sherbert.

A local hand-made shop has frozen yogurt with around 120 cal per half cup. It's a great tasting compromise with no weird ingredients. Plus, you buy it a serving at a time, so there's no tub in the freezer tempting you!

A local hand-made shop has frozen yogurt with around 120 cal per half cup. It's a great tasting compromise with no weird ingredients. Plus, you buy it a serving at a time, so there's no tub in the freezer tempting you!

Hmmm..... that sounds good!

A local hand-made shop has frozen yogurt with around 120 cal per half cup. It's a great tasting compromise with no weird ingredients. Plus, you buy it a serving at a time, so there's no tub in the freezer tempting you!

A bit high for frozen yogurt. *shrug

+1. I've heard some funny things, but not digesting ice cream because "it is cold" is pretty far out there. I googled around to see if I could even find one crackpot site with the same claim, but found nothing.

Im gonna go start a new website, with a catchy name like BF's Flash Freeze Diet where you flash freeze all your food so you can then eat as much as you want, since it doesn't digest you don't gain the calories.....I'll make millions !!!!! :roflmao2:

umd
It's interesting that you think that five minutes of Googling constitutes checking out the entire universe on the mysteries of digestion. The internet is very complex. Googling is extremely hit or miss as I found out when I went to hear a lecture from the gentleman who came up with the term “fuzzy logic”.

Ayurveda which is a medical system that's been around for thousands of years states that you should not drink ice cold liquids etc. with your meal. If you believe that Ayurved is a crackpot medical system then I guess the approximately 1/3 of a million practitioners of it maybe would like to hear about your proof of this.

Your digestive system performs chemical reactions, not miracles. Heat is a necessary component of these reactions. Milk is difficult at best for a healthy digestive system to deal with, but for between 30 and 50 million Americans (10 to 15%) http://www.digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/lactoseintolerance/ ) it is even more difficult. Interestingly people of different racial groups have differing abilities to digest it. By drinking milk that is heated, your chances of it digesting is enormously improved. Also adding different spices or herbs can help. The cream portion of milk is even more difficult to digest. Gawd I love the stuff, but I get awesome indigestion / sleepiness etc. from it if I eat too much.

Neurodoc,
In your example you stated
“Apply external heat as necessary to keep the water at 98.6F.”
Well the human body does not have the heating capacity to instantly produce heat that electricity passing through a copper coil has. Different people of course have different capacities for heat regeneration.
By eating ice cream slowly you are slowly cooling off the portion of the body that has to start the digestive process. (chemically react with the nutrients and filler). This nets a constant source of heat sink.

When you add the lactose intolerance of a massive portion of the population (whether they realize it or not) to the mix the problem of indigestion is compounded.
After exercising, eating is not a great idea anyways because the blood is too busy repairing the muscles from the exertion.

Neurodoc said
“Digestion (i.e. absorption of nutrients into the bloodstream) occurs in the small intestine anyway, not the stomach.”
Stedman’s Medical Dictionary 25th ed. defines digestion; “ the process whereby ingested food is converted into material suitable for assimilation for synthesis of tissues or liberation of energy”. It also says; “Gastric or Peptic digestion; that part of digestion chiefly of proteins, carried on in the stomach by the enzymes of the gastric juice.”
I could go on as there is intercellular, intestinal, intracellular, pancreatic and salivary digestion (which basically happens in the mouth and the cold shuts down the juices from flowing which are primarily there to convert sugars/starch for use by the body.

Digestion occurs in different places, but if the food has not been broken down by chemicals in the digestion system (by chemical actions that are endothermic or require the addition of heat to allow the reaction to occur) etc then it doesn’t matter what temperature it is in the small intestine, there is little properly transformed nutrition to be absorbed. Food that has not been properly broken down essentially does one of two things, it is excreted or it blocks the passages in the small intestine that allow the assimilation via osmosis into the blood stream. You can eat rocks if you like, but they are not likely to provide you with a lot of nutrition because your digestion system cannot break them down.

Your digestive system in some ways is like a car assembly line. If somebody puts the frame together inaccurately at the start of the line, then the whole car is a lemon. You can still drive the thing out of the showroom, but it’s a wreck right off the mark.
What I said in my post that got you two excited was that you get zero nutrition. Bear in mind that your body puts a lot of energy into digestion, from the muscles that are going for long periods of time (peristaltic actions of stomach, intestines etc.) to the various chemicals and heat that the body had to create from nutrients that it already had stored from previous digestion. So your body uses energy and nutrients hopefully to get more out than what it puts in. If the energy and nutrition spent is less than the resultant gain then you ain’t got no net nutrition.

“Weight Watchers” advises people to drink ice cold water whenever they are hungry. This is because the water thins down the digestive fluids and the ice dulls the digestive power which combines to take away the hunger.
Ever notice that when you go to a restaurant the waiter instantly shows up with a jug of ice water. This is essentially because when people go to a restaurant they are generally very hungry. Their diurnal clock has started the digestive fluids flowing and they are hungry. Unfortunately in some people “hungry” makes them excitable and in some cases angry, so if the food takes awhile to get there they want answers! So the waitress gives you the pacifier (ice cold water) so you won’t notice how long the food takes to prepare. Unfortunately the water and the ice starts the process of indigestion which is why most people roll out of restaurants holding their belly, rolling their eyes and trying desperately to burp and then waddling to their cars.

So does this mean that if you eat ice cream you’re gonna die. I’d have cacked long ago. ☺ Of course not. If it’s a hot day or you’ve had a long ride, that coolness and hit of sugar is just what the doctor ordered. But it’s not going give you healthy bones and teeth unless you have awesome digestion. BTW with Ayurvedic techniques you can tell the condition of your digestion very easily. Of all the methods that are used, the easiest is to look at the color of the top of your tongue first thing when you wake up. If it ‘s pink your digestion is excellent, if it’s white and frothy ease off the ice cream ☺ (just kidding) your digestion is not good. Other colours mean other things.
But hey don’t take my word for it, try a little experiment on yourself. Since milk is well known to be an excellent source of just about everything that you need to survive, go crazy and eat nothing but ice cream for a week or two. See how ya feel. ☺ Have some psyllium husk to push it through if you get stuck. ☺

It’s too bad that modern MDs have virtually no education on nutrition included in their curriculum. This was told to me by 9 different MDs. One is an anaethesiologist, two are internists, one a psychiatrist and two surgeons specializing in vascular surgery. Four of them have cross trained in Ayurveda. This is essentially because modern allopathic medicine consists in drug pushing and slice and dice. Ain’t no gold in curing people.

Also in reference to another thread on this site where someone mentioned that the majority of the workers in the allopathic (regular medical system which is “trauma” medicine) medical system are overweight, including the ones who are in charge of nutrition, it is no wonder they are, because their basic concept of nutrition is poor at best. A person I know is the head of nutrition for a large metropolitan hospital and she is generally 50 to 100 lbs over her optimum weight.

So Neurodoc, I am guessing that you are a neurologist and as such you have been trained to avoid making statements that have not been scientifically validated, would you confirm that following down this rabbit hole a little further, that maybe eating week old frozen pizza is also part of a balanced nutritious diet? I mean ya got yer 6 groups there, grains (crust) veggies (green peppers) dairy (cheese) meat (Pepperoni) and fish (anchovies) and there’s always the argument that tomatoes are fruit… ☺ Heck if you eat it slowly it'll warm up just like yer baggie.
Heck throw away yer stoves mama.

umd
“I googled around to see if I could even find one crackpot site with the same claim, but found nothing.”
It has been my experience that people use the term “crackpot” to cover “everything they don’t understand, are too lazy to learn about or have a vested interest (ego, pseudo intellectual or fiscal) in dismissing”.

Jarery,
BTW here’s a hot tip, keep your day job, gaining weight is not the same thing as gaining nutrition.

I discovered an interesting thing about forums when I went to a site where people are obliged to use their real names as a handle, and pay a small sum to join. It seems to simmer down tempers a bit, force them to ask credible questions before they leap to a preconceived notion about things.
There are things we all know,
things we all know that we don’t know,
and then there are things that we don’t know, that we don’t know about.
It’s the last category that folks have a hard time with.

a lot of big words

You said a lot, but nothing to back up what you said before, that ice cream "is so cold that it never digests".

umd
I agree and neither did you back up you statements.

umd
I agree and neither did you back up you statements.

All of what you said is that the cold makes it harder to digest, and that is compounded by many people being lactose intolerant. However, harder is not never. Some of it has to be digested or there would be no metabolic impact. The fact that ice cream is largely empty calories with little nutritional value is a different matter.

All of what you said is that the cold makes it harder to digest, and that is compounded by many people being lactose intolerant. However, harder is not never. Some of it has to be digested or there would be no metabolic impact. The fact that ice cream is largely empty calories with little nutritional value is a different matter.
Sorry I am missing your point, please delineate a little more.
I explained that some of it is digested, but there is a huge expenditure of energy and nutrients that are required to digest anything, so if you subtract the loss from the gain you get ........ oh you know the answer.
Those digestive fluids are not flown in by the tooth fairy, they are made by using the digested food from previous food. A whole lot of work went into making it.

Sorry I am missing your point, please delineate a little more.
I explained that some of it is digested, but there is a huge expenditure of energy and nutrients that are required to digest anything, so if you subtract the loss from the gain you get ........ oh you know the answer.
Those digestive fluids are not flown in by the tooth fairy, they are made by using the digested food from previous food. A whole lot of work went into making it.

You originally said that ice cream is never digested. The novel that you followed it up with basically said that it is digested poorly.

alanf - boiled down, your response states that the energy expenditure required to digest ice cream exceeds its caloric value.

Fantastic! I'll go eat a whole tub! :lol:

See everybody, wow, the logic of a medical pro.

See everybody, wow, the logic of a medical pro.

Because your logic is soooo much beter

See everybody, wow, the logic of a medical pro.

I admit, your logic is much more complex than mine! :lol:

But seriously - do you believe that the net caloric expenditure required to "digest" ice cream is greater than the calories you absorb from it? That is pretty much what you said.

I admit, your logic is much more complex than mine! :lol:

But seriously - do you believe that the net caloric expenditure required to "digest" ice cream is greater than the calories you absorb from it? That is pretty much what you said.

And just to be clear, we don't believe that there is a positive nutritive value, but there has to be a net coloric value or eating tubs of ice cream would be marketed as the weight loss miracle.

And just to be clear, we don't believe that there is a positive nutritive value...

Actually, there's a bit of protein, calcium, and Vitamin A. Whatever's in cream, basically.

You said caloric not I.
I said energy and nutrients. Digestion is a little bit more complex than calories. Even energy is more complex than calories. If you want to reduce your weight for example, cutting down on your calories is one way. Pathetic but it works. Instead of cutting down on calories try substituting foods that are appropriate for your body type. Try flushing out the old crap that AV refers to as ama or undigested food. Most people will drop a load of weight (calories stored as fat) by this simple method. It helps to know how to safely and comfortably do it, but then it's a part of your life and then your excursions into ice cream, fries and gravy are at least gotten rid of before they pile up inside of you. I am not an expert in Ayurveda (AV) nor is AV the be all and end of of medical systems, but it has been around for a long time and I happen to have studied it quite a bit and have Ayurvedic physicians as friends. Yes they go through about 8 years of school like yourself. In AV food is medicine and medicine is food. The DIN system is merely a great way for people to patent and therefore get rich off of medicine. An AV doctor is trained to determine what foods are appropriate for you and it's not rocket science to learn it.

In AV digestion could be compared to an internal combustion engine. If your spark is timed too early or too late or your mixture is poor you get incomplete digestion of the gasoline. Smoke, excess CO, etc is the result. Lower mileage, poor acceleration, you get the drift.

Your timing and mixture (not a great example but I suspect you get the drift) is adjusted by eating food that is appropriate for you, for instance if you are as skinny as a gate post your diet requires.... OK I'll say it :) calories, you need oily, sweet, salty food. MacDonalds is not the only source of oily salt and sweet.
But if you're built like a Bud Clydesdale haulin the beer wagon, you need dry, light and pungent foods. Then all the people in between have their own version.

One rule in AV is that if you eat ice cold anything you will not get anything of real substantial value out of it. If you consider weight (ama) of value then I guess you are right.
An Ayurvedic physician can easily determine how much garbage you have eaten and where in your body it is stored and what it is doing to you long before the premonitory symptoms of diseases even show up. They consider there is 6 stages to disease before it even shows up.
If you are really stuck on eating tubs of ice cream and I believe you are wiser than that, do it.

The AV model says that you get fat because of ama building up in your body. Ama is a Sanskrit word.
(the original texts are in Sanskrit because it was appropriate at the time it was codified and is an excellent language for expressing knowledge and considered by grammarians to be superior to Latin)
Ama is undigested food, some call it toxins some call it whatever.... cholesterol, call it what you want, it is worse than useless to your body, it is deadly. A little bit adds up over a long time. You can see it by standing outside of Tom and Jerry's. It's inside those buttons that are doing their best to hold it back.

Alanf, again - do you believe you gain net calories from ice cream or lose them?

Oh, and how does "undigested food" makes you fat? If it's neither digested nor absorbed, you should just poop it out. Or is there an Ayurvedic constipation theory of obesity?

Define net calorie.....................
Is that before your total income or after the deductions? :)
I again repeat I didn't use the word calorie.

Look Doc I can't explain an entire system to you on an internet website anymore than you can explain the modus operende of the nervous system to me in fifty words or less. If you really want to know, don't try to corner me with your words. Go learn about it yourself.
And hey,:lol: maybe get some ice cream and a grant from a pharmaceutical company and do some research. Maybe you can get a patent and get rich. You could rediscover ama and call it neurodoc.

Define net calorie.....................
Is that before your total income or after the deductions? :)
I again repeat I didn't use the word calorie.

Look Doc I can't explain an entire system to you on an internet website anymore than you can explain the modus operende of the nervous system to me in fifty words or less. If you really want to know, don't try to corner me with your words. Go learn about it yourself.
And hey,:lol: maybe get some ice cream and a grant from a pharmaceutical company and do some research. Maybe you can get a patent and get rich. You could rediscover ama and call it neurodoc.

I'm not cornering you. I'm asking you a simple question. In your earlier posts, you said that the energy expenditure required to digest ice cream is so high that it exceeds any nutritive value one might gain from it. By that logic, the more ice cream you eat, the more energy it would cost you, and over time you'd lose weight.

Do you really believe this?

I'm pressing you because, as any sensible person knows, if you eat too much ice cream you'll get fat. This is because the sugars and fats in ice cream are very readily absorbed across the small intestine. If lactase isn't cleaved, it isn't absorbed, and then bacteria in the large intestine eat it, causing release of gases and intestinal irritation.

The "mystery of digestion" is elucidated in any elementary physiology text. You don't have to invoke some indigestion story or mystical Sanskrit ama or what have you.

Years ago when I started flying. I instructed. At some point a senior instructor took me aside and told me some which has stuck with me.
He said there are two kinds of doctors, you see flying is an expensive hobby, so a large portion of the population is eliminated from experiencing the thrill. However a lot of doctors have the money so try their hand at it. He said they are either very good pilots or very bad.

The reason I soon discovered was that the good ones, listen patiently, try their best to question with an eye to understanding, try to climb into your thoughts, understand from the point of view of a complete novice, and accept a certain amount of what you say and maybe check it out in books later on, and avoid trying to corner you into answering questions that are clearly loaded or leading as lawyers refer to them.

These doctors are awesome. They combine their own innate sense or knowledge with the instructor’s, knowing full well that the instructor has indeed survived in his legal etc. system to arrive at the place where the instructor lives. In fact I helped one of them buy an aircraft and I consider that with his meager experience he was head and shoulders better than I.

Then there was the know it all, PITA ones who used their “superior intellect” as they saw it, but as we instructors saw it; pigheaded stubbornness, to get the laws of aerodynamics to conform to their vision. I suppose their “bedside manner” mirrored their flying escapades.

Beechcraft aircraft are sometimes jokingly referred to as “population control for doctors”, because they are beautifully built, solid, expensive planes that doctors tend to buy. Wink wink know what I mean?

One last time I will repeat.
You used the words "energy", "calorie" and "nutrients" in the same sentence interchangeably. They are not interchangeable in my explanation.
If a person eats the stuff obviously if they eat enough, then the ama or undigested food will build up in the system in the form of your word calories.
This means that they would not lose weight as they will probably gain it barring some other disorder.

If you ever come to the REAL Portland, try Needham ice cream. Coconut ice cream with pieces of dark chocolate. It's heavenly. You can only get it at their Rte 1 Scarborough store.

http://www.lenlibby.com/
Sadly, I am lactose intolerant. True ice cream just isn't fun for me anymore. :( That is why the Coconut Bliss has been such a wonderful (and terrible ;)) find.

Define net calorie.....................
Is that before your total income or after the deductions? :)
I again repeat I didn't use the word calorie.

Look Doc I can't explain an entire system to you on an internet website anymore than you can explain the modus operende of the nervous system to me in fifty words or less. If you really want to know, don't try to corner me with your words. Go learn about it yourself.
And hey,:lol: maybe get some ice cream and a grant from a pharmaceutical company and do some research. Maybe you can get a patent and get rich. You could rediscover ama and call it neurodoc.

The phrase 'net calorie' seems to have been invented for the psychological needs of the followers of a recent diet plan. Users of artificial sweeteners have heard for years that the molecular structures of many of the sweeteners were created to present a sweet taste yet limit their digestion.

Such measures are really drastic and require a complete rethink of the substance to achieve this. Pitting 'positive' vs. 'negative' calories is fairly misleading and irresponsible as it leads the person using the product to micromanage their regimen in ways they may not understand.

Calories aren't even the beginning of the weight control story. If you don't have the range of nutrients your body needs to metabolize your intake and the activity to maintain your body's shape, you will look like me GUARANTEED :eek::eek::eek::50:

umd
It's interesting that you think that five minutes of Googling constitutes checking out the entire universe on the mysteries of digestion. The internet is very complex. Googling is extremely hit or miss as I found out when I went to hear a lecture from the gentleman who came up with the term “fuzzy logic”.

Ayurveda which is a medical system that's been around for thousands of years states that you should not drink ice cold liquids etc. with your meal. If you believe that Ayurved is a crackpot medical system then I guess the approximately 1/3 of a million practitioners of it maybe would like to hear about your proof of this.


Alan, we'll get back to that theory about cold water and drinks when it's not 80F+ in this house most of the day yet too humid vs. the heater in winter. Cold water has deep psychological boosts.