Tandem Cycling - Sunday Morning Ride Report

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72andsunny
07-07-08, 10:17 AM
(...and afternoon...and evening)

An impromptu tandem ride (from Newport Beach) to San Diego yesterday seemed like a good idea on Saturday night. We left Newport at 6:20 AM (20 minutes behind schedule). I do not remember seeing any traffic until we hit Oceanside. As we were on a tight schedule, we skipped our usual breakfast at the Longboarder Cafe [they have a big sign that says: "We do not serve fast food"...they are not lying], and instead stopped at A Little Moore Coffee Shop in Leucadia.

A few beach towns further, we stopped at the bottom of the hill leading up to Torrey Pines as I attempted 1) to eliminate some irritating noises, and 2) stop the rear derailleur from shifting on its own. To my surprise, both chains were bone dry, leaving me to wonder if I had run them through a chain cleaner and neglected to re-oil. After a little lubrication, things were a little quieter, though the shifting never improved much. While we were stopped, the sun decided to appear, making the rest of the ride considerably warmer.

Up Torrey Pines, down Torrey Pines, through La Jolla, Pacific Beach, Mission Beach with a 2:00 PM arrival at the San Diego Zoo. (92 miles, total time pedaling 6:37). We were too tired to do much of anything, accept watch the big giant tortoises...they were too tired to do anything accept turn their heads to look at us.

3 more miles (downhill mostly) to the train station, where I was told that I could not take a tandem on the train. They got nicer when I explained the bike comes apart, and I could make it as small as they wanted. I ended up removing the timing chain and uncoupling the front "third" of the bike. Bicycle storage on an Amtrak train (at least out in these parts) consists of two hooks (one for each wheel)...your bike is supposed to be secured vertically to the wall [hope you can picture that]. I ended up hooking the front third of the bike over one (top) hook, and the back third over another (top hook). Nico and I did a little extra securing (and made some padding) with our gloves and helmets.

The train was only a half hour late to Santa Ana. (Your tax dollars at work). We had the bike back together a little before 8 PM. To make things interesting, I decided to run the cranks out of phase (captain 90 degrees ahead). With the sun going down, we began the last 10 miles of our trip with a tail light and no head light. My first thoughts on out of phase cranks: 1) a little faster on the flats/downhills, 2) wobbly going up hill. The stoker thought starting was much more difficult...

Home at 8:40 PM, for a daily total of 105 miles. Too tired to work today.


Velodiva
07-07-08, 06:37 PM
That is an awesome ride - congratulations to both of you! Definitely one of the most spectacular routes as well. Years ago Hermes and I did the route on pur tandem in reverse from San Diego to Newport Beach. We spent the night at a hotel in Newport Beach and biked back the next day. I still remember we had trouble finding the hotel in NB, it was getting dark and we were very tired and hungry! In May we spent a week in Capistrano Beach and biked on the tandem from Newport Beach to San Diego (La Jolla) with Sevenrider and his stoker (you met them on the Santana Tuscany tandem trip) but did the route but in segments (e.g., one day we did San Clemente to Oceanside and back, one day we did Oceanside to La Jolla and back). You mentioned Longboarder Cafe in Oceanside - we stopped there for lunch - the manager was extremely tandem friendly and let us bring our bikes inside so we could keep an eye on them. Very funky place!

Hermes/Velodiva/Sevenrider's stoker & Sevenrider at Longboarder's Cafe (with tandems up against the wall)


That is good to know about taking the tandem on the train.

Finally, the OOP thing - as commented upon numerous times in this forum, this is such an individual thing. We are OOP stoker leading which works the best for me - seamless on the hill climbing. We tried OOP captain leading and that there was too much movement for me when we stood on the hills.

reversegear
07-07-08, 11:09 PM
I enjoyed your ride report.

We did something fairly similar on Sunday as well. My wife and I on the tandem, along with two other women on single bikes rode the Southern California Beach Patrol Permanent which goes from Port Hueneme to Dana Point. It is a RUSA 200k. There was lots of traffic on the bike path with some slow going but with plenty of fun places to stop and eat on the route it was a very enjoyable experience.

I had a heads up on the tandem problem with the train so the husband of one of the other riders took our van to Dana Point to pick us all up. As you point out, the train has its problems, but it is good to know that you can at least get on the train if you have a tandem with couplers.

Did you need to break it all the way down into three parts or could you have just split it in two and hung it on the rack / wall?

I have never put a bike on the train so I have no clue as to how it works and I am very interested to know how much of a pain it was with a tandem. If we were to do the route again we may decide to stay overnight and then take the train back – getting stuck down there would be a problem.

Any hints as to how to get the tandem on the train would be appreciated.


buildrunbike
07-07-08, 11:25 PM
Any hints as to how to get the tandem on the train would be appreciated.

I was researching STP when I found the Amtrak tandem bias. On their website, they say "No unusual bicycles allowed." You can take a tandem, but it has to be in a box.

Yeah. A box. For a tandem.


http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?cid=1080080554487&pagename=Amtrak%2Fam2Copy%2FSimple_Copy_Page&c=am2Copy

Velodiva
07-07-08, 11:53 PM
You can take a tandem, but it has to be in a box.

Yeah. A box. For a tandem.


http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?cid=1080080554487&pagename=Amtrak%2Fam2Copy%2FSimple_Copy_Page&c=am2Copy

Well, we saved our original Santana shipping box and used it to transport our tandem to Italy checking it as baggage to Italy. The box is HUGE - above and beyond the permissible airline dimensions. We got a supervisor to sign a waiver, but I wouldn't recommend this approach on an airline or train. Besides the bureacratic negotiating tactics involved, the box is too unruly and heavy to easily handle. We don't have couplers so next trip (Mallorca in October) we are using a BikePro bag to transport the tandem.

reversegear
07-08-08, 09:03 AM
The tandem we used for Paris-Brest-Paris last year did not have couplers. This was just about the time that the airlines were starting the whole luggage charge thing. Our ticket allowed us to carry a bike but it had to be under 70 lbs. The overage was so many Euros per kilo that with the tandem in a BikePro bag it would have been over $800 there and back. (Air France) We ended up making a bag that fit just the frame and transported the wheels and many other parts in a wheelsafe as a separate bag. Making the bag was a much bigger project than I originally thought it would be and it probably would have been cheaper to just pay the overage, so I would not recommend that.

We used the double BikePro bag to transport two singles to Vancouver Island in 2006. The bag performed very well, but we bumped into the weight limit thing (for the first time). At the check in counter, the airline (Air Canada) told us that they would not take the bag because it was overweight (over 70 lbs) – and we would have to ship it airfreight. (Arrives three days later – maybe - and about as much as a seat on the plane) Luckily, they let me carry on a pair of wheels – which were oversize per their regulations but dropped the bag to under 70 lbs. This was a pain as I had to get the wheels through security – no small task as they did not want to let me through. They also charged me for every pound over 50.

We now have a tandem with couplers and two “checkable” cases.

I would definitely check the airlines regulations on bikes and oversize luggage and how much they charge before you go to the airport for your trip to Spain. While Air France was just going to charge us more, Air Canada would not even allow the bike to be checked as luggage on the same plane. Air France has different luggage regulations for different types of tickets. You need to read the fine print or ask you ticket agent.

Any wonder why I am very interested in how to get a tandem with couplers on Amtrak easily?

72andsunny
07-08-08, 09:20 AM
I have never put a bike on the train so I have no clue as to how it works and I am very interested to know how much of a pain it was with a tandem. If we were to do the route again we may decide to stay overnight and then take the train back – getting stuck down there would be a problem.

Any hints as to how to get the tandem on the train would be appreciated.

The website states "Tandem bicycles may be checked and require two boxes, telescoped together (http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Amtrak/am2Copy/Title_Image_Copy_Page&c=am2Copy&cid=1080080554487)". Amtrak bike boxes are designed to hold a single bike with both wheels attached and the handlebars turned (they are much larger than the single bike box you would pick up from the dumpster at WalMart)...and they cost $15 each +$5 (each?) to check; this assumes the station/train accepts checked luggage and has the boxes in stock.

The problem (or possibly the upside) with taking a tandem on Amtrak is that everything is at the discretion of the conductor(s). In the past, we have been allowed to wheel the tandem into the luggage car (yea!!!), and been turned away completely (booh!!!)...I think it depends on how full the train is.

As far as taking the bike apart: We have a Santana (with Santana placed couplers). I took only the front couplers apart...the back two-thirds of the bike hung pretty well from the hook, the front third wobbled a little over the bumps.

72andsunny
07-08-08, 09:22 AM
In May we spent a week in Capistrano Beach and biked on the tandem from Newport Beach to San Diego (La Jolla) with Sevenrider and his stoker (you met them on the Santana Tuscany tandem trip) but did the route but in segments (e.g., one day we did San Clemente to Oceanside and back, one day we did Oceanside to La Jolla and back).

Give us a call next time you're down...with a few months of practice, we'll be able to keep up with you.

Velodiva
07-08-08, 11:22 AM
Give us a call next time you're down...with a few months of practice, we'll be able to keep up with you.

It's a deal - we plan on doing the same thing next May.