The pros are running faster times than ever..... faster than the 'doped' riders of years past. What new drug are they on now?


These guys have to be taking something IMHO.

We'll find out in a couple years, always takes the doctors a couple years to catch up to the scientists

Gene doping the way of the future people. look it up. Undetectable and the "treatment" lasts for up to 5 years. You saw your last "clean" tour and olympics. At least the dopers were only working with what THEY WERE BORN WITH. These new fellers will not.

On a sad note one of the groups most interested in this has been HIGH SCHOOL sports teams. ****ing sad!

Red Bull and vodka....you heard it here first.

FRS.

Lance said so.

If I'm not mistaken the speed was under 50kph for under 30km. Although there's no way I could do that, it doesn't seem totally out of character with recent TTs. The "caught" dopers (Honchar for example) were over 50kph for over 50km in 2006.

However I agree with wfrogge. I'm pretty pessimistic when it comes to doping and the guy who won this last TT just rubs me the wrong way. I'm sure there's a way to fool even the blood passport thing, it just takes more effort because you have to have doped blood all the time.

re: gene doping. I just read a book by the Rant guy called "Dope". Pretty interesting, esp about gene doping. As soon as they started trials with the stuff the researchers got calls from athletes and coaches asking about gene doping and how they could get in on it (they were doing experiments to increase production of EPO naturally in anemic people). Only problem with the gene doping experiments is that subjects would keel over and die. Well one death per study then the study would be terminated.

Apparently gene doping works through a virus - the virus is loaded up with the new DNA and injected into the person. The virus "infects" the current cells and essentially forces the new DNA in its place. I guess all the various DNA things are not understood so some (human) subjects die.

Daniel M Rosen, "Dope", ISBN 978-0-313-34520-3

Just read it (it's sitting next to my laptop, hence I have the ISBN number) and very interesting. Doping in general, not just cycling. I learned a lot of interesting things reading it. btw I have no idea who the Rant guy is although he did post one comment on my blog recently. I don't get commission or anything lol.

cdr

If I'm not mistaken the speed was under 50kph for under 30km. Although there's no way I could do that, it doesn't seem totally out of character with recent TTs. The "caught" dopers (Honchar for example) were over 50kph for over 50km in 2006.

However I agree with wfrogge. I'm pretty pessimistic when it comes to doping and the guy who won this last TT just rubs me the wrong way. I'm sure there's a way to fool even the blood passport thing, it just takes more effort because you have to have doped blood all the time.

re: gene doping. I just read a book by the Rant guy called "Dope". Pretty interesting, esp about gene doping. As soon as they started trials with the stuff the researchers got calls from athletes and coaches asking about gene doping and how they could get in on it (they were doing experiments to increase production of EPO naturally in anemic people). Only problem with the gene doping experiments is that subjects would keel over and die. Well one death per study then the study would be terminated.

Apparently gene doping works through a virus - the virus is loaded up with the new DNA and injected into the person. The virus "infects" the current cells and essentially forces the new DNA in its place. I guess all the various DNA things are not understood so some (human) subjects die.

Daniel M Rosen, "Dope", ISBN 978-0-313-34520-3

Just read it (it's sitting next to my laptop, hence I have the ISBN number) and very interesting. Doping in general, not just cycling. I learned a lot of interesting things reading it. btw I have no idea who the Rant guy is although he did post one comment on my blog recently. I don't get commission or anything lol.

cdr

I was thinking about gene doping last night after having read this thread and read a little on the subject. You can't just inject genes into a tissue sample and expect them to start working. There are enzymes that are meant to digest random DNA, as an immune response. I was wondering how the injected genes would integrate, and using a virus makes sense. Now where the genes integrate is what would most likely cause the problems. We are not quite there yet scientifically for this to be a viable method of doping, or therapy, for that matter. Maybe in 10 years or so, but not now.

I was thinking about gene doping last night after having read this thread and read a little on the subject. You can't just inject genes into a tissue sample and expect them to start working. There are enzymes that are meant to digest random DNA, as an immune response. I was wondering how the injected genes would integrate, and using a virus makes sense. Now where the genes integrate is what would most likely cause the problems. We are not quite there yet scientifically for this to be a viable method of doping, or therapy, for that matter. Maybe in 10 years or so, but not now.

Don't do it, man. It's a dead end.

:thumb:Don't do it, man. It's a dead end.