OK, so I am strongly considering buying a folding bike. Here is some things about me and why I want a folding bike. Please excuse and poor terminology, as I am new to the biking world.

- I am 5'9", about 165lbs - I think that is some what important when choosing a bike.
- I have never been that into riding bikes, but I think it is the best way for me to get some exercise and maybe enjoy the exercise. I also think commuting with and leisurly riding a folding bike would be fun.
- I live in the DC area, so a lot of things are close to each other, but sometimes driving there is just not worth it. And there is not always a safe place to lock up your bike.
- I also want it to be compact enough, so that I can easily put in the trunk of my Subaru WRX Sedan, and easily fold and unfold it when doing so. (maybe even 2 - one for me and my girlfriend)
- I am not sure how much I will bring it on the metro... but if I like riding it enough, I could see that happening as well.
- My current commute to work is about 5 miles one way. But I figure it could go up to 15 miles, if I change jobs.
- It is not a real hilly area, but I can think of 3 decent hills that I may have to ride up about 10 times a month (just a guess).
- I don't plan on going long distances but if I wanted to ride 30 miles on it some day, I wouldn't want it to be an uncomfortable ride or a struggle.
- I'd like to stay under $550. The best bang for the buck is what I am looking for.
- I would like a reliable bike, as I am no the most handy person. I do not have a desire to tinker with a bike to make it better or upgrade any major parts.

So, I have been dooing some research and I think my favorite options are the Dahon Curve D3, Dahon Speed P8 (maybe D7), and the Downtube Mini (of which there seems to be various forms).

I probably will be able to test ride the Dahon's in the next 2 weeks, but I am not sure about the Downtube. And I know that will help with my decision. But if the only sub $550 bikes a test out are Dahon's, I may not make the right decsion.

I like the Curve and the Mini because they are the most compact. I like the Speed P8 because it is closer to a "real" sized bike and it seems to have the best build materials. However, from what I read the Downtubes in general have a better gear build. And the DTs have suspension, which I've read can be a good or bad thing, depending on the rider. I think the Dahon's look better, but that is not so importnant. I actually like the lesser gears on the Curve as it keeps it simple for me, and I never liked the higher gears on the 10+ speeds I've ridden (but that could be do to lack of riding experience). It seems like the Curve comes with the most accessories, but I could be wrong (I like the mud guards, which I am sure can be easily added to the other two). Ok, I could go on and on, but that should be enough info for now.

Any advice or input to help me make a decision is greatly appreciated. Thanks!!

I would go with an internal hub folder like the ones you are looking at. If less is better then go with the Curve. If you want a small fold , more gears and if you do decide to modify go with the Mini.

i like the sound of the dahons but im not sure about the dt

i like the sound of the dahons but im not sure about the dt

Why?

I have a Mini and love it. I think it would meet your requirements nicely. The only thing I'd be hesistant to use it for is a really long ride (say, 50+ miles). 30 miles would be fine.

im just not sure about it dyno, ive heard good things about them but their not a big international company like dahon (well not as big) and i dont know much about them so im being a bit hesitant

It has been in business since 2003 and Yan has been attentive to his customers. Because it takes a lot of standard parts it is easy to walk into a LBS and replace parts if necessary.

There are two minis on downtube's site...

The Capreo Mini: http://www.downtube.com/product533.html
And I guess the standard mini: http://www.downtube.com/product540.html

The 2009 version of the regualr mini is about $519, the 2008 is $459.
The Capreo mini is $585.

I can see the Capreo uses Capreo parts, but I am not sure how much of a difference that makes... is it worth the extra money?

Also, do Downtube bikes still need a bungee cord to stay folded? That is kind of annoying.

The Capreo is made for folding bikes and comes on folders costing twice as much and more. The Mini has the 8 speed internal hub and again a bargain for bikes in its class. I would get the drivetrain that meets your needs.

OK, so I am strongly considering buying a folding bike. Here is some things about me and why I want a folding bike. Please excuse and poor terminology, as I am new to the biking world.

- I am 5'9", about 165lbs - I think that is some what important when choosing a bike.
- I have never been that into riding bikes, but I think it is the best way for me to get some exercise and maybe enjoy the exercise. I also think commuting with and leisurly riding a folding bike would be fun.
- I live in the DC area, so a lot of things are close to each other, but sometimes driving there is just not worth it. And there is not always a safe place to lock up your bike.
- I also want it to be compact enough, so that I can easily put in the trunk of my Subaru WRX Sedan, and easily fold and unfold it when doing so. (maybe even 2 - one for me and my girlfriend)
- I am not sure how much I will bring it on the metro... but if I like riding it enough, I could see that happening as well.
- My current commute to work is about 5 miles one way. But I figure it could go up to 15 miles, if I change jobs.
- It is not a real hilly area, but I can think of 3 decent hills that I may have to ride up about 10 times a month (just a guess).
- I don't plan on going long distances but if I wanted to ride 30 miles on it some day, I wouldn't want it to be an uncomfortable ride or a struggle.
- I'd like to stay under $550. The best bang for the buck is what I am looking for.
- I would like a reliable bike, as I am no the most handy person. I do not have a desire to tinker with a bike to make it better or upgrade any major parts.



I would go for one of the 20 inch Dahons for your first folder. The bike is more like a regular bike's feel and handling than the tiny 16 inch or 305 wheel size of the Curve. The Speed D7 usually comes completely decked out for the commuter with fenders and a rear rack. The Speed 8 is usually comes fenders & rear rack free (extra cost to add on). This bike has better components than the D7 along with the Big Apple tires that are supposed to be really nice. But you can add a simple suspension system to the D7 like I did with mine. The Speed 8 is also a good 100 dollars more than the D7, shifting it to the limits of your set budget. See the photos listed below for inspiration. But whatever you decide, make sure you test ride it first!

For what it's worth, I have the "regular" internal hub Mini. I think it's worth having the internal hub because it means you can shift while stopped. Perfect for those sudden stops and starts in city traffic. Also, hub gears are protected from the elements and you have less exposed greasy stuff to get on your clothes.

I bought the 2009 version because of the more compact fold in the new model (the handlebar stem folds between the wheels). It stays together fine without a bungee cord: either I'm carrying it balanced against my hip or I've got it bagged.

I realize the may be dumb/obvious questions, but I have know idea... my last bike was a Huffy ;)

So the 8sp has 24 gears, and the 9sp has 27 gears, correct? Thats sounds like overkill for me, but then again they aren't much more then the Curve D3, pricewise. And having only 3 gears may not be enough?? Why would the Curve be worth the price? Does the Speed P8 have 24 gears?

its about the quality of the bike, you have to take into consideration how light the bike is, how small it folds, how comfortable, its make, the materials its made out of etc.

The Mini Capreo has 9 gears, the Mini S/A hub has 8 gears.

The Mini Capreo has 9 gears, the Mini S/A hub has 8 gears.

OK, an non-folding bike owner was telling be that the 8sp and 9sp, meant 3 one one side and 8 or 9 on the other. There for 3*8 = 24 gears. But I guess he is wrong or it is different with standard bikes. I just assumed he was right cause I have seen that on moutain/road bikes.

For what it's worth, I have the "regular" internal hub Mini. I think it's worth having the internal hub because it means you can shift while stopped. Perfect for those sudden stops and starts in city traffic. Also, hub gears are protected from the elements and you have less exposed greasy stuff to get on your clothes.

I bought the 2009 version because of the more compact fold in the new model (the handlebar stem folds between the wheels). It stays together fine without a bungee cord: either I'm carrying it balanced against my hip or I've got it bagged.

I like the idea of the internal hub... question though, how is the color, the pastel green doesn't seem that attractive to me... as these "little" bikes already look kind of like a kids bike.

I would call it a mint color, you can repaint it.

I just went through this same search and I also live in the DC area. You should try out the bikes at both Bikes @ vienna http://www.bikesatvienna.com/ and College Park Bikes http://www.bike123.com They are the only ones in the area that sell a large line of folding bikes and offer free adjustments for the life of the bike.

I ended up with the Vitesse D7HG after trying out the dahon speeds and Downtube 9NS because I liked the fit and finish of the Dahon and I liked the maintenance-free internal hub. I very nearly bought the speed p8 though- it's a great bike and its top gear will make you faster downhill. The bike fits in a honda trunk no problem and I take it on the various trails in the area.

I would call it a mint color, you can repaint it.

There you go, giving me more work to do ;)

I just went through this same search and I also live in the DC area. You should try out the bikes at both Bikes @ vienna http://www.bikesatvienna.com/ and College Park Bikes http://www.bike123.com They are the only ones in the area that sell a large line of folding bikes and offer free adjustments for the life of the bike.

I ended up with the Vitesse D7HG after trying out the dahon speeds and Downtube 9NS because I liked the fit and finish of the Dahon and I liked the maintenance-free internal hub. I very nearly bought the speed p8 though- it's a great bike and its top gear will make you faster downhill. The bike fits in a honda trunk no problem and I take it on the various trails in the area.

Yeah, I was going to go to the Vienna shop to check out the Dahons soon... do they carry Downtube's too? I saw the College Park shop on downtube's list.

Do you think you could fit two 20s in the the Honda trunk?

I wasn't at first thrilled with the color, but now I find it charming and cute. It's such a wonderful bike, I wouldn't sweat the color, frankly.

Also, I think looking like a kid's bike can work to your advantage--it's less likely to be a tempting target for thieves.

I recently got a Curve and love it - love how small it folds down (I couldn't carry anything much bulkier). My one regret is that it only has 3 speeds. I've got a hill on each end of my commute and my hill-climb gear does not cut it. :(

I love love love the internal hub though, I will never go back. Being able to shift gears while stopped has changed my life.

Vienna doesn't carry downtubes but has a huge stock of folding bikes and other non-conventional bikes. College Park bikes does have downtube but you should call in advance to make sure they have what you want to test. (I didn't test the mini for example) They have two shops but will transport a bike between them if you give them notice. You can also email Larry who is the owner.

You probably could fit two 20s in a honda but not sure.

OK, so while I am still considering a 20" Dahon, I think I want a sub-$550 bike with the internal hub. The internal hub sounds like something I would like. That would rule out most 20" Dahon's. The Vitesse can probably be gotten for around $600, which most like will not work for me. So, unless someone can tell me the internal hub is not that special, these are my current options that I know of:

Dahon Curve D3 - Best price I could find is $479
Downtube mini 08' - $439 with discount
Downtube mini 09' - $499 with discount
Downtube 8H - $409 with discount
Downtube 8FH - $479 with discount

I think I want to go with the more compact bike, Curve or Mini, but if you think I should be convinced otherwise, please try.

What I like about the Curve over the Mini:
- The tires (not sure what upgrading the mini would cost, maybe $35 each or more?)
- I like the style of the Curve better - The mini kind of seems like a girls bike, not meant to offend anyone.
- The accessories, mudguard, etc
- It most likely stays locked in place better then the downtube mini

What I like about the Mini over the Curve:
- More gears - how hard will hills be on the Curve?
- Slightly more compact when folded.
- I feel like if this was my only bike I'd be OK, where I am not sure about the Curve.
- There seems to be a stronger fanbase for Downtube.

Here are some questions, that may help me decide:
Will the 5 extra gears of the Mini allow for faster or longer trips, if desired?
All around I don't know which is has better quality parts?
How much would Big Apple tires for the Mini cost?
Any opinion on which one is more reliable?
And finally, which one would you choose for your folding bike if you could only have one folding bike?

Thanks again!!

"The mini kind of seems like a girls bike"

It's a cute bike and a conversation starter, if you're looking to meet someone (kind of like dogs and babies). People are fascinated by folding bikes.

Compare the Mini to the Curve SL since it has an 8 speed hub, with the money you save upgrade the Mini the way you want it. I just purchased a Dt 8HN and I replaced tires , saddle , stem , grips and have more to do. It still was a better deal than the Vitesse.

Also take into account other expenses- you'll need front and back lights for night driving, maybe a helmet, lock, and tax is I think 5% in VA and 6% in DC and MD.

I'm no expert but like the smooth shifting of my internal hub. I was willing to spend a bit more because I don't have a car, so in comparison, the bike is downright cheap.

As for the attention you get, it's pretty startling. People ask me about my bike every time I go out, especially on the metro. (See this thread http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=362923 )

I ride a Speed 8, among other foldies. I think you may like the Curve as its a bike that has "character". Its also capable of light touring with the Big Apple tires. Its first gear is 42" which means it wont tackle steep hills but check this out... Being hub geared, its pretty maintenance free :)

http://lovethefold.blogspot.com/2008/06/amazing-dahon-curve-d3-commuter.html

If I may add to your temptation re the Mini... see my sig, there I describe the Mini in some more details, plus there is a photo essay of a little tour (Lakes Entrance) I did on the Mini.

Just to show that it is worthy. And I like the color. Plus it might get stolen less likely? Just a guess. Plus I have seen them on ebay for less than the website amount, same seller, so same guarantees etc.

To be fair, I modded my Mini slightly to suit me. But there are many people who find them fine as is.

Would it help your decision making process to know that you can return the Mini within 30 days if you don't like it? You just have to ship it back yourself - that's $35. Not a bad way to really get a feel for the bike.

I've said this many times on this Forum, so I apologize to those who've heard it before. I've owned many different folding bikes. I currently have 6. If I was only allowed to have one bike (:eek:!), it would be the Mini. It's like owning a Toyota. It a solid, reliable daily rider once you get the ride comfort dialed in. At your height and weight, you will have no problems whatsoever with fit.

And by the way, what's wrong with the way it looks? :D

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e157/sesamecrunch/MiniOregon2.jpg

Well... For every one Dahon reccomendation, there are two Downtube fans. It seems as if there is always a slight negative with the Curve only having 3 speeds. But the mini owners love'em, with only a few minor complaints.

Jur, you really have done eveything with the Mini... that really speaks highly of the bike... or maybe just highly of you?!

SesameCrunch, great pic.. almost makes the Mini look cool... and the Toyota comparison really sells me, I love Japenese cars... I own a Subaru WRX.

I am going to try out some Dahons at a local bike shop. I am going to see if the College Park shop will have any Minis in stock anytime soon too. If not, I may have to do the 30 day trial thing.

Food for thought... I bought an iPhone and am now an iPhone fanboy (will be buying the new one ASAP)... So, I understand what it is like to be a fanboy... I kind of feel like DT Mini owners (maybe DT owners in general) are fanboys... I don't consider this and insult, because to become a fanboy of something it has to be a really good product. So, I think that is why I am leaning towards the Mini... although I think I would have to change the color.

I will do some test rides and post my thoughts. Thanks everyone for you input!!

And, as always, any more input is always welcome!

I have a Mini. I think that the bike is pretty good value. Rides well. The 8 speed hub is well suited for the bike. It can fit Big Apples. The noteable weakness in my opinion is that as a commuter/multimode bicycle, it is less able at carrying stuff than alternatives like the Brompton.

I have not ridden the Curve. But given that it can fold with the rear rack and a front bag mounted on the head tube, I think that it will be better at carrying stuff than the Mini. It also comes with Big Apples.

The noteable weakness in my opinion is that as a commuter/multimode bicycle, it is less able at carrying stuff than alternatives like the Brompton.


Ah, but our good Doctor Jur has a fix for that, right? ;)

Ah, but our good Doctor Jur has a fix for that, right? ;)Well I have just become a fanboy of this excellent-seeming idea by Xootr (http://www.xootr.com/xootr/swift/Crossrack.shtml). It'll work as well on the Mini. I am getting one; be great to hang my backpack on, or a pannier. Use it on the back or the front, or both. :thumb:

Mini.... is less able at carrying stuff than alternatives like the Brompton.

Oh yeah?


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/Samuelw72/P6230007.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/Samuelw72/P6230008.jpg

Let's see you do THAT on a Brompton!

Sammyboy, what are the dimensions of the suitcase on the rear rack and how have you secured it to the rack? I'm not seeing any evidence of bungee cords.

I have a front lift-off basket I use on my Mini but if I were making a train trip, it would be nice to do set up an arrangement like you have, with the suitcase on a seatpost rack. When you fold, do you pop the rack off the clamp? Or does the clamp pop off the seatpost? I'm trying to figure out how you remove it quickly so you can lower the seatpost for folding.

It's an Ortlieb Office Bag 2, bike specific briefcase, and it has it's own quick release thinger which clamps to the rack, and holds the bag securely. The seatpost has a quick release clamp, so I simply loosen that, lower the post, and then reattach it. In practise, it's a tiny bit of a fiddle because of the rubber that the clamp uses to grip the post, but only takes a couple of seconds.

http://www.ortlieb.com/_prod.php?lang=en&produkt=officebag2

Oh yeah?


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/Samuelw72/P6230007.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/Samuelw72/P6230008.jpg

Let's see you do THAT on a Brompton!

Since we are on subject of load carrying ability, do allow me to pip in :)

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/oldiesonfoldies/CMnoneedTaxisR.jpg

There is still the front rack that is unused...

Wow! *bows down*

I'd love to see that with one on the front too. Is it narrow enough to avoid heelstrike? Looks like it is. I know with that load on my Mini, the front end was noticeably light whilst climbing - I can't imagine what it was like on that!

Sammyboy were u moving house?

No, I had 3 days of work in Norwich. The case contains my laptop and general worky items, one pannier has my clothing, and the other has books to read on the train, a wash bag, Ipod and sundry other nonsense. The thing tacked on the top is the DT cover bag.

Oh yeah?

{some great pics}

Let's see you do THAT on a Brompton!

:lol:

Excellent. But now fold the bike with the stuff. That is where the problems lie; i.e., with a seatpost rack, you need to remove the rack to lower the seatpost or, alternatively, take out the seat post with the rack still mounted and keep it with the stuff formerly on the rack.

There is some picture of EvilV touring on his Merc with an impressive load too.

Well, the rack is QR, so I simply release it to lower the seat, then retighten it on the last inch of seatpost. It makes the folded package a bit bigger, but it ain't hard, and it still goes in my Downtube bag.

All this talk of a Mini and now I have one on its way to my house.

All this talk of a Mini and now I have one on its way to my house.

:thumb::thumb::thumb:

You won't regret it. There are also lots of easy and useful mods people have done. Many of them are on the mega-Mini thread.

Have fun!!

Your statement of that would be the one you would keep really impressed me. Sammyboy and his 250 pounds on one is also impressive. I am looking forward to it and mods are ready.

14hours, what bike did you decide on? Are you happy with your choice?

How difficult is it to put fenders and a kickstand onto the mini which do not interfere with the fold? I am not at all handy - does anyone know of an LBS in NYC (I live in Queens) that could do this? How much could I expect to pay? Thanks very much.

I think he sold the mini and kept a dahon?

Mine is a Downtube 9FS. I bought it a week ago.
in my opinion it's now the best and the most reasonable folding bike i found.
compare to the other folding bike that price is 3 or 5 times, it gives me more than I paid.
It's cheap, it's comfort, it's easy to maintain (as most of it's part use an MTB part), it's tough, Its' a folding and it's a fullsus
You can ride it on almost anywhere, you can take it on a hard trail without fear of losing part, fast enough on the street, the fastest bike for an uphill.
I did un uphill touring 2 days ago, 23 km long, elevation from 300m-1200m, some are an extreme uphill and it takes only 1,5 hours to finish it with this bike, The best time for a folding bike ever that through this route, some of my friend (they're not an at athlete but a trained rider like me) whose riding a dahon speed P16 that has change it's sprocket into 9 and a double chainring front at least took 2,5 hours to finished it .
...

I have no problem gain more weight than other folding compare to it's comfort when riding.
10 second folding is fast enough as i'm not in competing to fold with others.

Thanx to Yan .............. your foding bike is the best one for me.
Now, allmost all my friend is looking to have at least one of a Downtube model, especially 9FS, 9FH and Downtube Mini and sold their Dahon, birdy or other brand ..

Asep
A Downtube 9FS owner from Jakarta Indonesia