Professional Cycling For the Fans - Greatest domestique

Leonardo Piepoli.

Discuss.

I think Indurain did a Hell of Job for Delgado back in the day.

Sean Yates was one of the best. He even delayed retiring to help mentor Armstrong at the begining of Lance's career.

I agree with Yates, but George Hincapie has to be the greatest, the man still gets Lance his water even on charity rides.

I agree with Yates, but George Hincapie has to be the greatest, the man still gets Lance his water even on charity rides.

HA!

I was thinking current riders but keep the greatest of all time coming too.

George is a good call but I tend to be more impressed with the climbers, probably because I can't climb worth *****. Piepoli can win any given climbing stage and has graciously let the team leader have the win after hauling their ass up the mountain. And he has to put up with Ricco.

Greg Lemond helping Hinault in 1985.

OK, I kid... :roflmao2:

Greg Lemond helping Hinault in 1985.

OK, I kid... :roflmao2:

Or Hinault helping Lemond in 1986.

Kloden

Seriously though, Rolf Aldag and Udo Bolts.

Gerg Lemond's uncle?

Sean Yates was one of the best. He even delayed retiring to help mentor Armstrong at the begining of Lance's career.



Sean Yates.

end of thread.

Currently, I would have to say Big George or Fabian Cancellara. All time, it would be tough to beat Yates.

Van Summeran helps Robbie and Cadel

Currently, I would have to say Big George or Fabian Cancellara. All time, it would be tough to beat Yates.

What The hell Currently Hincapie is nowhere near as good as he was. PLus its hard to argue when he supported Lance for all seven of his tour wins.

So it wouldn't be hard to beat Yates.

Van Summeran helps Robbie and Cadel


not if either of them need a new bike. :D

http://www.dewielersite.net/db2/wielersite/beeldbank/1212342813Yates%20Sean.jpg

If Cadel wins the tour it will be because of Popo's efforts.

Yates gets my vote for on road.

Hamilton, Beltran, Heras, and Floyd for helping Lance deflect all those doping accusations.

marty

I can trump the lot of you. Eddy Schepers, circa 1987. Roche would not have won the Giro or the Tour without him.

How do I collect my prize?

Can't believe nobody remembers "King Rene"

In the history of the Tour de France, how can you say there is anyone else who can claim to be a greater domestique than Rene Vietto?

I agree with Yates, but George Hincapie has to be the greatest, the man still gets Lance his water even on charity rides.

Who knows what might have happened for Hincapie, had he not been such a team loyalist. on his one day wonder's he was far more than a domstique. He'll always be a favorite. Is being a team loyalist such a bad thing. Remember how angry L. Armstrong was when Landiss left. Three Americans in the whole of the tour. Shame. We are Almost irrelevant. Except for one.

Can't believe nobody remembers "King Rene"

In the history of the Tour de France, how can you say there is anyone else who can claim to be a greater domestique than Rene Vietto?

I remember him. But in the world of 99ers the 1930s never happened.

Oh and if people bother to look him up go farther then the Wiki article, it leaves out quite a bit.

Is that a German officer in your avatar?

Is that a German officer in your avatar?

Yes. And since it was a polite (or at least neutral) question I'll let you know who it is. Claus von Stauffenberg. The perfect soldier, the perfect patriot and right at the very center of the last of the attempet to assasinate Hitler. Some day I might switch to what may well be the last picture of him, with Hitler just days before that attempt.

I think best in a single place and time would be Bob Roll bringing Andy Hampsten his cold weather gear at the Gavia Pass in the '88 Giro. If only for the awesome narrative. Bob Roll can make any story fun if you enjoy his sense of humor, but he really does spin a fun yarn about an epically brutal stage.

Re Stauffenberg -
Yes, I asked that way on purpose as I thought that might be the case. He soon saw the light and died fighting the good fight.

I remember him. But in the world of 99ers the 1930s never happened.

Oh and if people bother to look him up go farther then the Wiki article, it leaves out quite a bit.

so true, so true...

Go ahead - you tell him to fix his brake levers! :lol:

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I can trump the lot of you. Eddy Schepers, circa 1987. Roche would not have won the Giro or the Tour without him.

How do I collect my prize?

You have to be joking. Usually you are spot on about cycling but Roche did that Tour pretty much on his own Stage 17 when he almost killed himself he was pretty much alone.

Ouch No prize for you.

You have to be joking. Usually you are spot on about cycling but Roche did that Tour pretty much on his own Stage 17 when he almost killed himself he was pretty much alone.

Ouch No prize for you.

Fail.

Giro - Roche would have been farked without Schepers. And Schepers help at the Tour on the Villard de Lans stage and particularly the Morzine stage was invaluable.

Besides that, Roche was not alone. He must have got writers cramp signing cheques paying off the Fagor and Del Tongo boys after the Tour.:p

Claus von Stauffenberg.

Wow. I've never heard of this guy. But upon reading about him at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_Schenk_von_Stauffenberg I'm really glad this question about your avatar was asked. I just learned about an amazing man.

Sorry for the off topic commentary....

Go ahead - you tell him to fix his brake levers! :lol:

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http://www.dailypeloton.com/article_images/misc/photochallenge8.jpg

the shorts and the veinage are worse than the levers.

Wow. I've never heard of this guy. But upon reading about him at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_Schenk_von_Stauffenberg I'm really glad this question about your avatar was asked. I just learned about an amazing man.

Sorry for the off topic commentary....

One of several. The wiki article you site is very good. One sad thnig is that to this day many believe that this was the only plot and late in the war. The earliest I know of was in '38. Fizzled because it was a plot to depose, not kill and it depended on things not going well for Germany. Things went better than even a madman could hope. BTW that plot had a plot within a plot. Hitler was to be captured by a comando group med by Major Heinz. Unknown to almost everyone was that Heinz and Hans Oster had decided that Hitler would tragically be caught in a crossfire.

See Hans Oster and Canaris. Number 1 and 2 men in the Abwer, German military intelegence and working against Hitler from early on.

Also Of interest. Bonhoeffer and Sack. A year ago I could have rattled off a half dozen more names.

the shorts and the veinage are worse than the levers.

What do you mean? :lol:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/114/311237041_9c92bdb020_o.jpg

It looks like he's about to have an alien life form spring out of there! :eek:

Claus von Stauffenberg.

I was wondering if that photo is a profile due to his wounds? I know he was blinded in one eye and had serious injury to an arm.

What year was that pic taken?

Boogerd

What do you mean? :lol:

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Grouse. Love it.

Sean Yates. At his last race all the top guys came up to him at the start and wished him well, Indurain is reputed to have said he'd wished Yates had ridden for him.

Vino for Ullirich or Ullrich for vino can't remember who the the GC for T mobile that year 85?

Vino for Ullirich or Ullrich for vino can't remember who the the GC for T mobile that year 85?

85 was one of the LeMond / Hinault battles. Are you thinking perhaps of Ullrich for Riis in 96? Or Riis for Ullrich in 97?

Yaroslav Popyvch

Eki,


Thank you very much, end of thread.

the greatest for the greatest:

Yates is my man because of the lack of the strength of the team he rode with. By the time Big George came around, Motorola had improved their team significantly and George was less of a domestique and more of an on-road leader. And of course, I sure George learned much from his short stint riding with Yates.

BTW, after reading several comments regarding Hincapie's performance this year, for my money he's riding better than ever. He's handling his role of on road captain, and always seems to be where he's needed, be it in the lead out, or working on the hills.

the greatest for the greatest:

He was good, but there are about 6 people on the whole forum who would have any idea who he is.

He was good, but there are about 6 people on the whole forum who would have any idea who he is.Alan Dipple? :D Looks like him

check out the big drops

Joseph Bruyere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Bruy%C3%A8re)

Joseph Bruyere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Bruy%C3%A8re)Do you still qualify as a domestique when you have a palmares that good?

Do you still qualify as a domestique when you have a palmares that good?

That does raise a quetion doesn't it? SDoes having put inthe work for someone else qualify you? Smoothie already mentioned Mig working for Delgado, which he did for several years and very well. You can get pretty high up the list of great riders and find that at least for a while they paid their dues.