Road Bike Racing - Ricco Actualy Amits it

Well ricco finally came clean unlike your floyd lanis's of the world...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/jul08/jul30news3

I found this very interesting...

Riccò has withdrawn his request to have a counter-analysis done on the B-sample, but said that the testing procedure needed some work. "Of the 10 controls taken, only two were positive. In theory all the tests should have been positive, therefore the method needs to be checked," he said.

Well ricco finally came clean unlike your floyd lanis's of the world...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/jul08/jul30news3

I found this very interesting...

Riccò has withdrawn his request to have a counter-analysis done on the B-sample, but said that the testing procedure needed some work. "Of the 10 controls taken, only two were positive. In theory all the tests should have been positive, therefore the method needs to be checked," he said.

Ouch!

**** nut

Good stuff though. You can't write this stuff.

Well ricco finally came clean unlike your floyd lanis's of the world...
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Not to rehash old news but I really don't think Floyd was guilty of intentionally doping with testosterone. Floyd had enough experience to know that a.)testosterone would have no benefit to him in a single dose and b.) would be easily detected. I still scratch my head over that in a 'serious WTF happened there kind of way.

Ricco's a f'nut - couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

I wish I could test positive. I wish I could race well enough to warrant a trip to doping controls. Nobody ever pulls 21st place in the 35+ race and drags them to the Doping Control Trailer. The only dope control in Prospect Park is when you pull up to the Kissena guy who slammed into the jogger and whack him upside the Giro helmet and say 'Whaddya do THAT for?'.

Wow - considering all of the immature trash talk Ricco has provided in the past, I am surprised to see him do the stand up thing here. Yes, the best thing would have been to not do it at all, or to admit it before getting busted, but at least he hasn't continued to deny, deny, deny. Maybe some good can come from this (specifically improved testing methods).

So, what will happen with the Ricco and the UCI? Given the ASO/UCI hissy-fit will the findings from the French anti-doping crew be reported to the UCI?

Will Ricco be the next Italian David Millar?

Wow - considering all of the immature trash talk Ricco has provided in the past, I am surprised to see him do the stand up thing here. Yes, the best thing would have been to not do it at all, or to admit it before getting busted, but at least he hasn't continued to deny, deny, deny. Maybe some good can come from this (specifically improved testing methods).
Concur.


Will Ricco be the next Italian David Millar?
No. :)

-bullseye

Ouch!

Not necessarily. It would depend on when it was taken because EPO has short half-life.

Will Ricco be the next Italian David Millar?

I admit, I was also wondering if we'd be seeing the Cobra in argyle in two years.

I admit, I was also wondering if we'd be seeing the Cobra in argyle in two years.


I think snake venom and black of Rock Racing is more likely

Wow - considering all of the immature trash talk Ricco has provided in the past, I am surprised to see him do the stand up thing here. Yes, the best thing would have been to not do it at all, or to admit it before getting busted, but at least he hasn't continued to deny, deny, deny. Maybe some good can come from this (specifically improved testing methods).

+1


Not to rehash old news but I really don't think Floyd was guilty of intentionally doping with testosterone. Floyd had enough experience to know that a.)testosterone would have no benefit to him in a single dose and b.) would be easily detected. I still scratch my head over that in a 'serious WTF happened there kind of way.

I was doing the WTF thing over that one too, and wanted to believe that he was innocent - until I read a very plausible theory. That theory stated that Landis blood doped. The blood that they withdrew from his system early in the season had testosterone in it, since he was using it in training at that time. So, when they injected that back into him to help him recover prior to stage 17, the testosterone showed up. Just a theory, but very possible.

+1



I was doing the WTF thing over that one too, and wanted to believe that he was innocent - until I read a very plausible theory. That theory stated that Landis blood doped. The blood that they withdrew from his system early in the season had testosterone in it, since he was using it in training at that time. So, when they injected that back into him to help him recover prior to stage 17, the testosterone showed up. Just a theory, but very possible.

I heard that theory too. Its the only one that remotely makes sense of intentional wrong doing on the part of Landis. But if you're going to go down that road you also have to admit its pretty plausible that someone could have accidentally or intentionally tainted either the sample or Landis himself (testosterone can be applied in a cream, for example - something that could have been applied any number of ways without the rider knowing.) That's just a theory also of course. We'll probably never know. It just bugs me that he was popped for something easily detectable and that has no benefit from 1 use. I don't think the real truth has come out and its not likely too. His ride wasn't as incredible as it seemed. A lot of what he did that day was totally because the peloton couldn't organize. H3ll, they slowed to something like 13mph while they argued about it at one point.

edit: I'm not saying he's innocent, I just find it hard to believe that he intentionally and knowingly doped testosterone right before that stage.

By saying he acted alone he's taking one for the team.

He's a young rider and smart enough to know that if he own's up and repents, he'll have plenty more of his career left, like Basso or Millar. The 'deny till the bitter end' route didn't work out too well for Landis or Hamilton.

Just abandon the idea that he “only used once” and things become much clearer. Certainly makes more sense than yet another conspiracy theory…

Lastly, it is the athlete’s responsibility to know what he is consuming and/or having rubbed on him. They are constantly warned not to go around consuming products of unknown origin. So either way he is a guilty doper.

A lot of what he did that day was totally because the peloton couldn't organize. H3ll, they slowed to something like 13mph while they argued about it at one point.

They made three guys from Pereiro's team (I forget now who he raced for) chase. It was well-executed from Phonak and wretchedly executed from the peloton.

I believe Floyd said he 'only' averaged 280 watts for the six-hour ride. We're the same size; I've done that for two hours; and I'm a Cat infinity nobody.

Landis: I believe there's reasonable doubt there. Too bad that's not the standard used by CAS.
Ricco: 2 years, shut up and race.

Lastly, it is the athlete’s responsibility to know what he is consuming and/or having rubbed on him. They are constantly warned not to go around consuming products of unknown origin. So either way he is a guilty doper.

In my opinion thats a rationality that the anti doping agencies use to wash their hands of that possibility occurring. There's no way a rider, or anyone, could watch everything. That'd make someone a paranoid freak. H3ll, they could've put it in his chamois creme. Even a 'bystander' in the crowd could brush something on him. Again, I AM NOT saying that this is what happened or that he is innocent of doping. I really just don't think he was guilty of what he was popped for - taking a single days worth of synthetic testosterone.

The doping in this years Tour just made me flash back on it so I've been kicking it around lately - especially on long rides when I have nothing else to do. :)

Ricco looks to be taking the smartest route out of trouble. Nothing noble about it in my opinion. He doesn't want to go into a big courtroom investigation, because it'll turn up that he cheated in the Giro, too, and he could go to jail for that (sporting fraud). Remember that interview with the dope control guy on Velonews? They had Ricco targeted because they knew he was doping in the Giro.

So his story is that he doped after the Giro, only for the Tour. He keeps his 2nd place finish at the Giro and in 2 years he can race again.

Just abandon the idea that he “only used once” and things become much clearer. Certainly makes more sense than yet another conspiracy theory…

Lastly, it is the athlete’s responsibility to know what he is consuming and/or having rubbed on him. They are constantly warned not to go around consuming products of unknown origin. So either way he is a guilty doper.

+1
and the fact that he tryed to explain his epi ratio off on Jack Daniels the night before as one of his excuses.

So his story is that he doped after the Giro, only for the Tour. He keeps his 2nd place finish at the Giro and in 2 years he can race again.

No.

He doped after the Giro because he had not planned on entering the Tour.

Will Ricco be the next Italian David Millar?

One is already too many

I'm with Ravenmore. The flandis thing just doesn't add up. It wouldn't have helped, and he didn't even go fast.

I was doing the WTF thing over that one too, and wanted to believe that he was innocent - until I read a very plausible theory. That theory stated that Landis blood doped. The blood that they withdrew from his system early in the season had testosterone in it, since he was using it in training at that time. So, when they injected that back into him to help him recover prior to stage 17, the testosterone showed up. Just a theory, but very possible.

what is the source of this theory? this is what I've been telling anyone who would listen all along, that he's a long time blood doper who got caught because of bad QC on the blood stored and used for the transfusion.

according to the doping forum over on cuttingedgemuscle, all the top pros do this, which is how they keep from getting caught unless they get sloppy.

The main thing that bugged me about both the Landis thing & the Ricco thing was the lack of attention to process. In both cases (moreso in Landis) procedure was not followed. Even leaking of the rider name should not occur after a postive "A" sample. At present, however, no punishment occurs for violation of protocol.

Ricco was guilty. Great. Landis may very well be guilty, but the faulty procedures and lack of attention to protocol allow doubt to be cast.

I also think Riccos' point that not all of his test came back positive points to a larger problem: we are probably still not catching many of those who are doping.

I though it was easy to detect blood doping? Isn't that what popped Vino?

And about the false negatives, the test they are using hasn't been around long. The protocol will get better. But I think the risk of being caught now may keep others from trying. I think the penalties need to be more severe though. I'm not talking lifetime, but maybe 5 years. 2 years seems too short.

I believe Floyd said he 'only' averaged 280 watts for the six-hour ride. We're the same size; I've done that for two hours; and I'm a Cat infinity nobody.

After 2500kms of racing?

Are you comparing yourself to Floyd Landis dude. His avg was 281 -






* Col des Saises: 36 min 55 sec at 395 watts (gains time on field)
* Col des Aravis: 16 min 49 sec at 371 watts (loses time on field)
* Col de la Colombiere: 27 min 45 sec at 392 watts (gains time on field)
* Cote de Chatillon: 11 min 7 sec at 374 watts (loses time on field)
* Col de Joux Plane: 37 min 34 sec at 372 watts (loses time on field)

What is very interesting about the data from the climbs is that it shows that Floyd gained much of his time on the field not on the climbs but on the descents.

second of all if you can do 280 for 2 hours and you weigh 150 pounds you should not be cat infinity.

i liked ricco's comments today:

"throughout my career, i have dealt with many inadequacies. suanier duval letting me down in the team time trial at the giro this year was huge. if it wasn't for that, i would have won the giro instead of the beach boy. this year in the tour, i was supposed to have a team dedicated to me, but than pipo and cobo decide to attack and leave me in the dust. this positive test tops it all. if wada and dick pound would get there act together, the test should show positives every time i was tested, not just on the two samples. stupid doctors can't get anything right. if i were a doctor, i would not only have detected the epo in all of the samples, but i would have developed a test years ago that is completely fool proof. plus, i would cure aids and cancer. it is incredible how dumb some people are."

;)

Are you comparing yourself to Floyd Landis dude. His avg was 281 -


second of all if you can do 280 for 2 hours and you weigh 150 pounds you should not be cat infinity.
If you really want to look at something meaningful, you would check his normalized power, which looks to be huge, based on the numbers that pjcampbell is posting.

That, would not be nearly so easy.

-bullseye

After 2500kms of racing?

Damn straight. Uphill both ways.

Damn straight. Uphill both ways.

Nice.

Are you comparing yourself to Floyd Landis dude.

Yup. He's a little bit faster on a bike, but I'm much better looking. Plus I have two hips.



second of all if you can do 280 for 2 hours and you weigh 150 pounds you should not be cat infinity.

Don't I know it.

After 2500kms of racing?
Not just "after 2500km of racing," but also the day after bonking so hard he lost 10 minutes.

USADA ran isotope tests on 7 remaining "B" samples, 4 of which were also positive. So odds are pretty good Landis doped on multiple days during the tour.

Synthetic T isn't easy to detect; the isotope test is solid, but very expensive and therefore not routinely used. AFAIK the T/E ratio is much easier to manipulate, and therefore mask, especially if you're blood doping.

Also, keep in mind that it doesn't matter if we think "synthetic T wouldn't do anything for this guy," what matters is what the doper thinks. For example, EPO does almost nothing for 100 meter sprinters (track & field, not cycling); however, many of them still used / use it because no one was testing for it, and it's hard to detect anyway. If the doper believes it will give even a tiny advantage with a small risk of detection, then they have a motivation to use it....

Not just "after 2500km of racing," but also the day after bonking so hard he lost 10 minutes.

USADA ran isotope tests on 7 remaining "B" samples, 4 of which were also positive. So odds are pretty good Landis doped on multiple days during the tour.

Synthetic T isn't easy to detect; the isotope test is solid, but very expensive and therefore not routinely used. AFAIK the T/E ratio is much easier to manipulate, and therefore mask, especially if you're blood doping.

Also, keep in mind that it doesn't matter if we think "synthetic T wouldn't do anything for this guy," what matters is what the doper thinks. For example, EPO does almost nothing for 100 meter sprinters (track & field, not cycling); however, many of them still used / use it because no one was testing for it, and it's hard to detect anyway. If the doper believes it will give even a tiny advantage with a small risk of detection, then they have a motivation to use it....

They don't do the isotope test at all actually unless the ratio is out of whack, which is easy to test for. It's possible I suppose that he was using a masking agent and screwed up that day.

Still, his power numbers weren't that extreme for a pro cyclist, and I don't think testoterone would be the first choice of doping if he did dope.

And again, I'm not saying he didn't dope - his behavior after he was caught was certainly suspicious.

i liked ricco's comments today:

"throughout my career, i have dealt with many inadequacies. suanier duval letting me down in the team time trial at the giro this year was huge. if it wasn't for that, i would have won the giro instead of the beach boy. this year in the tour, i was supposed to have a team dedicated to me, but than pipo and cobo decide to attack and leave me in the dust. this positive test tops it all. if wada and dick pound would get there act together, the test should show positives every time i was tested, not just on the two samples. stupid doctors can't get anything right. if i were a doctor, i would not only have detected the epo in all of the samples, but i would have developed a test years ago that is completely fool proof. plus, i would cure aids and cancer. it is incredible how dumb some people are."

;)

That's why he's a disgraced bike racer, not an aspiring hedge fund manager. His arrogance is almost as staggering as his ignorance.

Almost.

Not just "after 2500km of racing," but also the day after bonking so hard he lost 10 minutes.

That makes it more likely. Everyone else is so tired after putting in a hard effort to kill Landis; and Landis, relatively, didn't work as hard.

In my experience, the day after I bonk, I'm A-OK.

If anything the fact that he bonked at all suggests that he could've be racing without any illegal aids.

+1 on being able to be ok the day after bonking hard. Just a matter of sleep, food, and fluids. And again, it's not like he blazed 400+ watts the whole way the next day. Or like Ricco who launched an attack from the peloton, rode through a chase group, then caught and blew past the leaders.

i liked ricco's comments today:

"throughout my career, i have dealt with many inadequacies. suanier duval letting me down in the team time trial at the giro this year was huge. if it wasn't for that, i would have won the giro instead of the beach boy. this year in the tour, i was supposed to have a team dedicated to me, but than pipo and cobo decide to attack and leave me in the dust. this positive test tops it all. if wada and dick pound would get there act together, the test should show positives every time i was tested, not just on the two samples. stupid doctors can't get anything right. if i were a doctor, i would not only have detected the epo in all of the samples, but i would have developed a test years ago that is completely fool proof. plus, i would cure aids and cancer. it is incredible how dumb some people are."

;)
Now that he's out of a job he is free to do all those things. Trigger Ricco making the world a better place in 3, 2, 1....

Latest news is they are going to test Ricco's Giro samples with the new CERA test. The outcome should be interesting.

Will Ricco be the next Italian David Millar?

I wonder how far Ricco can throw a bike?

Get him and Miller together for the 1st annual Bjarne Riis Invitational Bike Toss. Versus can do a 1/2 hr show on it.

I wonder how far Ricco can throw a bike?

Get him and Miller together for the 1st annual Bjarne Riis Invitational Bike Toss. Versus can do a 1/2 hr show on it.
Well Ricco's bike toss in Tirreno-Adriatico was not all that impressive.:lol:

WTF?

http://tour-de-france.velonews.com/article/81092/leonardo-piepoli-says-he-told-coni-he-has-never-doped