Road Bike Racing - Chris Hoy is my hero

Watching him race (even just on TV) is amazing.

I re-start my 1m intervals tomorrow, and he'll be part of my motivation.

Anyone know what his 1m power is, and weight at the time?

What a freaking badass.

don't mess with scotia nostra.

While I couldn't find #'s on the bike - I found this:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2004/reviews/velo_pronto

Ryan Bailey puts out 2100W - on bike.

I'd wager that Hoy puts out similar #'s [2200 - 2300W].

>2kW? What the hell does that take?

Well, if you take the top row of the 1m power profile (11.5W/kg), and multiply by his mass (92kg), you get 1058W. I'll bet that's fairly close to his 1m power.

We're really close in weight, and my best is 821W, so I'm not gonna get there (duh, I guess)

2000W instantaneous does seem reasonable though. I hit 1751W on the morning commute, and I doubt I'll ever get to 2k, but it's not insanely strong.

>2kW? What the hell does that take?

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=284182
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Best thread about sprinting ever [from the Aussie Track Coach].
Takes a single-leg squat of about ~300 lbs. Tons of fast-twitch population and activation.

Remember - this is TRACK - and it's completely different than enduro riding.

Well, if you take the top row of the 1m power profile (11.5W/kg), and multiply by his mass (92kg), you get 1058W. I'll bet that's fairly close to his 1m power.

We're really close in weight, and my best is 821W, so I'm not gonna get there (duh, I guess)

2000W instantaneous does seem reasonable though. I hit 1751W on the morning commute, and I doubt I'll ever get to 2k, but it's not insanely strong.

I think you can. ~14% improvement on your 5s power - just hit the gym & stop riding your bike so much ;) :D

Staff has reported on another forum that the highest he's seen is about 2300 W instantaneous.

There are rumors of some BMXers putting out 2500+, but no hard numbers.

You have to keep in mind, too, that track sprinters are very specialized-- they don't typically also translate into road sprinters. The track endurance guys (pursuiters, points racers, scratch racers, madison riders) tend to be road sprinters or their leadout guys. Cavendish is a couple time world champion in the Madison, and there have been various road sprinters who came from pursuit/team pursuit backgrounds.

Makes me wonder if I'm in the right end of the game. Stoplight drags, I'm good. Holding it? Not so much. Used to leg press some remarkably stupid numbers in my youth.

VeloNews is reporting he clocked at 9.815 flying 200. Watching him ride off the front of that keirin field (http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/player.html?assetid=0816_sd_ctm_hl_l0632&channelcode=sportcy) was very impressive.

VeloNews is reporting he clocked at 9.815 flying 200. Watching him ride off the front of that keirin field (http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/player.html?assetid=0816_sd_ctm_hl_l0632&channelcode=sportcy) was very impressive.

Yeah, watching that race on my DVR is what prompted this thread. How messed up is it that my hero is a track racer, and I've never raced at a velodrome?

Staff has reported on another forum that the highest he's seen is about 2300 W instantaneous.

There are rumors of some BMXers putting out 2500+, but no hard numbers.

You have to keep in mind, too, that track sprinters are very specialized-- they don't typically also translate into road sprinters. The track endurance guys (pursuiters, points racers, scratch racers, madison riders) tend to be road sprinters or their leadout guys. Cavendish is a couple time world champion in the Madison, and there have been various road sprinters who came from pursuit/team pursuit backgrounds.

+1

Yes - track is very different than track endurance even though they appear in the same venue. One has very high ATP-PCr dependency - the other gets into glycolysis/aerobic system dependency [VO2Max efforts].

Hence why Cavendish can do stages while Bos and Hoy watch from the sidelines.

Yes - track sprinting is very different than track endurance even though they appear in the same venue. One has very high ATP-PCr dependency - the other gets into glycolysis/aerobic system dependency [VO2Max efforts].


It's all track.



Hence why Cavendish can do stages while Bos and Hoy watch from the sidelines.

They might be able to switch, but would have to do a lot of work to change their body types. Nothstein lost a bunch of weight and became a very successful 6-day racer, and did some smaller road/crit races.

Yeah, watching that race on my DVR is what prompted this thread. How messed up is it that my hero is a track racer, and I've never raced at a velodrome?

I'm 7 minutes away. Come north my friend.

http://www.breathhold.com/bicycle/banking.jpg

Huge fun.

Grrrr.

It's all track.

They might be able to switch, but would have to do a lot of work to change their body types. Nothstein lost a bunch of weight and became a very successful 6-day racer, and did some smaller road/crit races.

Sure. But speeds are very different because of the energy pathway.
http://www.brianmac.co.uk/energy.htm
http://www.brianmac.co.uk/energy.gif
Men's Team Sprint: http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2008/olympics08/?id=results/5
Men's Indv. Pursuit: http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2008/olympics08/?id=results/6

62 kph vs. 56 kph is very different to me.

Agreed. I'm jealous of his abilities - I'll be lucky to be good at one thing - let alone two.

Huge fun.

+100

I hit the track for a development class for the first time last week. What a blast. I'll definitely be doing some track racing. How do I break it to my wife that I need another bike?

+100

I hit the track for a development class for the first time last week. What a blast. I'll definitely be doing some track racing. How do I break it to my wife that I need another bike?

You don't. Just come home with the bike, and a phony receipt showing that you paid $200 for it.:D


Well, if you take the top row of the 1m power profile (11.5W/kg), and multiply by his mass (92kg), you get 1058W. I'll bet that's fairly close to his 1m power.

We're really close in weight, and my best is 821W, so I'm not gonna get there (duh, I guess)

2000W instantaneous does seem reasonable though. I hit 1751W on the morning commute, and I doubt I'll ever get to 2k, but it's not insanely strong.

Dude! Your version of a morning commute is different than most peoples. Thank goodness you rarely go by car!

And, yeah, I think track racing would be fun...

Sure. But speeds are very different because of the energy pathway.
62 kph vs. 56 kph is very different to me.
Agreed. I'm jealous of his abilities - I'll be lucky to be good at one thing - let alone two.

I just put in the "all track" because you seemed to refer to sprint disciplines as "track" and endurance disciplines as "track endurance". It's all track.

62 kph vs 56 kph isn't that different. One guy I ride with had a speedometer on in the points race at Elite nats and saw 40 mph during the sprints, and he wasn't getting points. And they're sprinting 12 times during the race, not counting attacks. It's the *really* high end that the sprinters have-- they motorpace sprints into the ~55 mph (not kph) range on race gears, and can hit those kinds of speeds briefly in sprints. And team sprint is only 3 laps from a standing start, where IP is 16 laps from a standing start. The peak speed in the TS is much higher than the average, and the peak in the IP is very close to the average.

A friend of mine was timing the last 10 laps or so of the last World Cup madison here in LA-- they were doing 250 m laps of about 13 seconds, 4-5 laps out from the finish. And doing exchanges in the middle of that.

Nothstein is one example, Jennie Reed (currently riding sprints in Beijing, and Keirin World Champion) used to be a pursuiter and still rides a pretty respectable pursuit. Becky Quinn led on World Cup endurance points for much of the year last year and used to be a sprinter. Then there are guys like Bobby Lea, who can do a respectable 200 m or Kilo, as well as win a madison or a points race, and Brad Huff who can medal in the Points Race and Kilo in the same week (with that ability getting him a medal in the Omnium at worlds-- check out that event).

How messed up is it that my hero is a track racer, and I've never raced at a velodrome?
I've been a big Hoy fan for going on a year now, and how messed up is it that my hero is a track sprinter while I have the general build of a Valverde or Sanchez?

I just put in the "all track" because you seemed to refer to sprint disciplines as "track" and endurance disciplines as "track endurance". It's all track.

62 kph vs 56 kph isn't that different.

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Let's just agree that McGee/Wiggins trains very differently than Hoy/Bos/Bailey.
Wiggins & McGee play with the peleton and track sprinters lift a ton.

My hero is Freire and I think my peak output is like ~800W. Hahaha...

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Let's just agree that McGee/Wiggins trains very differently than Hoy/Bos/Bailey.
Wiggins & McGee play with the peleton and track sprinters lift a ton.

My hero is Freire and I think my peak output is like ~800W. Hahaha...

If you've ever held sprinters and pursuiters for standing starts you really see the difference...

Personally, I'm a Llaneras fan- he's an old guy who still cleans up against the kids.

VeloNews is reporting he clocked at 9.815 flying 200. Watching him ride off the front of that keirin field (http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/player.html?assetid=0816_sd_ctm_hl_l0632&channelcode=sportcy) was very impressive.

That was pretty nice riding, both by Hoy and Edgar. Hoy does seem to like to ride straight off from the derny and Edgar did allow a larger than average gap once the derny had swung off.

Hoy and Boss are both quite different types of sprinters, but both very good at what they do. Boss is rather svelte for what he does. He can basiclly hop about 1.8m high on one leg.

I thought Victoria Pendleton's sprint qualifying time was a real stand out. That time would have had here in 20th in the mens and that was not dfl.

If you've ever held sprinters and pursuiters for standing starts you really see the difference...

Personally, I'm a Llaneras fan- he's an old guy who still cleans up against the kids.

Me too!

That was pretty nice riding, both by Hoy and Edgar. Hoy does seem to like to ride straight off from the derny and Edgar did allow a larger than average gap once the derny had swung off.

Hoy and Boss are both quite different types of sprinters, but both very good at what they do. Boss is rather svelte for what he does. He can basiclly hop about 1.8m high on one leg.

I thought Victoria Pendleton's sprint qualifying time was a real stand out. That time would have had here in 20th in the mens and that was not dfl.

Edgar did a really good job of controlling the race for Hoy, no doubt. If he hadn't gapped Hoy's wheel so much, Nagai would have been able to come around a lot harder than he did. It was a nice piece of riding by both of them; reminiscent of a Japanese keirin.

Bos hasn't been having a very good Olympics. He should be banging elbows with Hoy.

I think the women's sprint finals still have a chance to be close, but Pendleton does look like the clear favorite. From watching the prelims, all of the finalists look strong. It'll be fun to watch.

I think the women's sprint finals still have a chance to be close, but Pendleton does look like the clear favorite. From watching the prelims, all of the finalists look strong. It'll be fun to watch.

It would be nice to see Jennie come back with some olympic gold to go with the rainbows.

edit: just checked at NBC-- it looks like Kanis beat her. bummer. or is that just the first ride?