Southern California - Sept 14: Pie Ride (>100 miles, >10k vertical)

I plan to ride the Pie Ride again.

Start: Harrah's Rincon in Valley Center (overflow parking)
Time: roll at 7 AM
Route: Up Palomar South Grade. Visit the observatory. Down East Grade. Up and over Mesa Grande to the pie stop. (About halfway through mileage-wise, with >7k ft vertical by this point. This is also the last place where good bail-out routes exist. Past here, you're committed.) CA-78 and Old Julian Hwy to Ramona. Through Highland Valley and Bandy Canyon. CA-78 into Escondido. Up Lake Wohlford (a final 1000 ft climb), then back down to the start.

Who's in?

Rider list
jschen
couchweight
Cleave (doubtful)
Chucklehead (tentative)
Extort (should)
Curlin
Iamkar33m (SAG driver?)
Jancouver (if)
blue_nose
OC Roadie (possibly maybe)
Indolent58 (probably)
Crankit37

Wow, you read my mind! I was going to post this last night, except I was hoping more for the end of sept/early oct.

I'd be up for riding it again in early October... one can never eat too much pie!

I might be up for that ride. What time do you plan on leaving? I'd just assume ride from my place in solana beach and make it around 130 mile day. And Chuckles, I think I meet you last week on the wednesday ride.

You mean on Sept 14? We're rolling at 7 AM because there's slower riders like me who on century pace are looking at about 2 hours to climb South Grade. You could always play catch-up if you want.

Isn't Palomar further away from Solana Beach? It think it's 30 miles 1-way, so it'll turn into 160+ miles total if you start from there.

I assume he'd leave us once we got back into Escondido, in which case 130-ish miles sounds about right.

what is the Wed. ride? I am looking for a local weekly ride. I live in Carlsbad.

Hi Jason,

Let me think about it some more. I probably haven't ridden Palomar since 1985. I'm sure the road got steeper since then. :rolleyes:

How crazy does the traffic get on Palomar? I've never ridden it, but heard it can get pretty dangerous because of all the "spirited" driving that goes on there.

And Chuckles, I think I meet you last week on the wednesday ride.

Really? What's your name?

what is the Wed. ride? I am looking for a local weekly ride. I live in Carlsbad.

Wed. ride is a very fast paced "Pro" ride on Wednesday mornings that leaves from the Starbucks on Coast Hwy In Carlsbad at 8:15am. From there it goes up to Basilone rd. just past San Onofre where it typically hits the turnaround point with a big bunch sprint. Then it'll turn around and be pretty mellow for a bit before ramping up again back into Oceanside.

How crazy does the traffic get on Palomar? I've never ridden it, but heard it can get pretty dangerous because of all the "spirited" driving that goes on there.

It can get spirited at times. At the time of day we're going, though, the motorcyclists are still fast asleep.

Really? What's your name?

Matt, blue tarmac and I've usually got on a squadra kit on.

Oh nice. how was the ride this morning? I stayed up too late watching the Olympics and wasn't able to get up...

You should definitely try to make it out for this ride. It's a great route.

Are you in, Chucklehead?

Call me a tentative yes. The ride is a week before Vegas, so it's definitely dependent on how I feel coming into that weekend.

Have you thought about maybe starting from the North County Fair parking lot?

No. Where exactly is that? What would it change? (We'd climb Wohlford first to avoid it at the end, I assume?)

I've done this ride tons of times. Well, similar to it. I am always up for it though. I am lazy and hate driving anywhere to ride. I like being able to ride out of my door. Usually ride out del dios, hit wolford, then palomar. And if I am feeling frisky, climb cole grade on the way back in. Ride was as usual today. Fast and painful. Things took off pretty fast on the way back south.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=westfield+north+county,+escondido&ie=UTF8&z=13

I've done this ride tons of times. Well, similar to it. I am always up for it though. I am lazy and hate driving anywhere to ride. I like being able to ride out of my door. Usually ride out del dios, hit wolford, then palomar. And if I am feeling frisky, climb cole grade on the way back in. Ride was as usual today. Fast and painful. Things took off pretty fast on the way back south.

Well, shoot. Perfect for you if we start at the mall, then. You could leave a little later. This route also knocks out the part of 78 going past the Wild Animal Park and adds a twisty descent from Ramona down Highland Valley Road. Cross Henshaw over the freeway bridge and it pops out right across the street from the mall.

Wed. ride is a very fast paced "Pro" ride on Wednesday mornings that leaves from the Starbucks on Coast Hwy In Carlsbad at 8:15am. From there it goes up to Basilone rd. just past San Onofre where it typically hits the turnaround point with a big bunch sprint. Then it'll turn around and be pretty mellow for a bit before ramping up again back into Oceanside.

How FAST is it? and what is the total milage?

Well, as this ride is cross posted in another forum, I'm not going to alter the route this time since discussing changes on two sites with two different groups of people may get really confusing, but I'll consider the proposed alteration for future rides. But Chucklehead, if you like the alternative, you can always start there and play catch-up... we all know you'll easily catch up to me.

How FAST is it? and what is the total milage?
It's a race pace ride, so expect sustained speeds between between 28-35mph on the flat sections and 40+ in the sprint if you choose to partake.
I don't know what the speeds are like on the little hills. I never look.
If you're looking to get faster, this is a good way to do it, unless you aren't keen on riding in large groups at high speed. If you don't have much experience, everyone will sense it and keep their distance, and that makes it really hard to draft;)
From Carlsbad, it's about 50 miles round trip.
How long have you been riding and what's your typical pace?


Well, as this ride is cross posted in another forum, I'm not going to alter the route this time since discussing changes on two sites with two different groups of people may get really confusing, but I'll consider the proposed alteration for future rides. But Chucklehead, if you like the alternative, you can always start there and play catch-up... we all know you'll easily catch up to me.

Meh.. I'll decide later. That's a lot of distance to make up, though, so I wouldn't bet on me catching you.

It's a race pace ride, so expect sustained speeds between between 28-35mph on the flat sections and 40+ in the sprint if you choose to partake.
I don't know what the speeds are like on the little hills. I never look.
If you're looking to get faster, this is a good way to do it, unless you aren't keen on riding in large groups at high speed. If you don't have much experience, everyone will sense it and keep their distance, and that makes it really hard to draft;)
From Carlsbad, it's about 50 miles round trip.
How long have you been riding and what's your typical pace?

28-35mph on the flats?! I'd get dropped so frikkin fast... :(

I was considering riding along, but I don't think i can even keep up with the group. :cry:

No, that's the weekly wednesday morning ride. The Pie Ride is a different kind of difficult.

What dimension of difficult is the pie ride?

About 100 miles and 10,000' of climbing difficult:thumb:

I'd probably be doing -10mph on that ride (yes that's a negative, i'll be rolling backwards downhill). :roflmao2:

Anyone have a map made up?

I can build the map in Routeslips (http://www.routeslips.com/show/index/254)...

oh, wait... I just did... in under 10 minutes... do remember that this is the original ride and not a modified version, so it starts at the school in Valley Center.

Thanks!

You're in, right?

Of course you are!

I should.... and maybe I will

but I might just stay lazy until the MS ride...

You should(ride) and you will.

I should....

So noted in post #1. I'll put together a new routeslip sometime before the ride. We'll cut out the boring flat section in Ramona and shortcut straight over to Highland Valley, cutting out maybe 2-3 miles. But with the original route at about 107 miles, we'll still be above the 100 mile mark.

Good chance I'll be bringing some extras. People, I mean.

I'm in.

Rode with you guys about a year ago up Mt Baldy.

Note: The observatory out and back will be optional, allowing slower climbers to not feel pressure to hammer up South Grade. If you get up South Grade in 1:50 or faster, you can consider a quick trip out to the observatory and back since you will get back to the Palomar general store before the others leave from there anyway. If you're slower than that, or if you simply don't feel like going to the observatory, just relax, as the ride is plenty tough enough without the optional excursion.

Is this a supported ride? I might try it, even if I know i'll bonk out at mile 3. :D

Non-supported ride. No real bail-out options after the half-way point. We'll take it relatively easy, but it is a tough ride.

Non-supported ride. No real bail-out options after the half-way point. We'll take it relatively easy, but it is a tough ride.

What happens to hinder bail-out after the halfway point? Just curious.

At the pie stop, you can still turn around and take relatively flat roads back. Once you descend into Ramona, though, you're basically committed to the rollers that take you back into Escondido and the final 1000 ft (vertical) climb near the end since there's really no other way back.

If you don't feel ready for the whole ride, going out to pie and then turning around is an option, though you may well find yourself alone on the (admittedly relatively easy) return trip. You'll still get about 70 miles and about 7,000 feet of climbing. If you want an even shorter ride, you can simply climb up Palomar with us and then head back down.

At the pie stop, you can still turn around and take relatively flat roads back. Once you descend into Ramona, though, you're basically committed to the rollers that take you back into Escondido and the final 1000 ft (vertical) climb near the end since there's really no other way back.

If you don't feel ready for the whole ride, going out to pie and then turning around is an option, though you may well find yourself alone on the (admittedly relatively easy) return trip. You'll still get about 70 miles and about 7,000 feet of climbing. If you want an even shorter ride, you can simply climb up Palomar with us and then head back down.

I'll just show up, ride whatever I can and when I bonk I can simply ride back down. :D

Is this a supported ride? Does supported mean that you buy us all lunch? Then yes, this is a supported ride.

Does supported mean that you buy us all lunch? Then yes, this is a supported ride.

Supported meaning you guys tow me up the mountain. :p

Supported meaning you guys tow me up the mountain. :p

Crinkey! I know I offered to bring the tow rope when there was females that wanted assistance... but guys are on their own!

If nothing else comes up I may join you
If I find the overflow parking I may join you for the Palomar climb
If I survive that I may join you for the Mesa Grande climb
If I'm still alive after that I may continue with the rest of the ride.

so sign me up as "if"

I am probably in for this ride.

Last time I did Palomar I broke my fork and poor GP had to drive up to the Observatory and drive me back to the Casino parking lot. Cervélo just recalled the Wolk fork, so I have a brand new Funda fork to test out on the cattle grates :)

I'm in either way, but any possibility of rolling at 6:30?