BMX - need help choosing a bike

i know theres a million threads but i feel each one is different in there own way.
atm i have 2 bikes in my house some GT bmx and haro f2

I want to buy a bike mostly for learning flat tricks and to get around on it alot so it must be comfortable to ride for long peroids of time.
im about 5'11 if not more and weigh 120 (need to put on another 20lb)

Im very unsure of which bike to pick.
money isnt much of a problem but i dont wanna spend more then 400 for sure.
im thinking of going with a cheaper bike and later upgrading it down the line.

like the DK step up and maybe upgrading to a freecoaster hub later if i feel i need to.
some other bikes im considering but cant really choose are:

Stolen wrap
kink whip
DK sixpack

can anyone give me some advice?
thanks in advance! and sorry for the confusing thread

Go a little more and get a Kink transition.
http://www.danscomp.com/101671.php?cat=BIKES

whats so good about this bike?
keep in mind i will remove the rear break and put it in the front instead.

Oh so you want to do flatland. Then get this
http://www.flatlandfuel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1124

but i "dont"(edit) like the gyro.
flatland is not important to me.
i want to get a bike thats good for all around.
mostly to be really comfortable for street riding because i like to travel on bike all over the neighborhoods i live around.
i want the bike to be light so its easier to learn tricks like bunny hop and 180's
but i want to add a front break so i can learn flatland tricks too.
but i dont like having the gyro because i want the bike to be light as possible. and because i dont even need the rear breaks.
please dont just say get this bike or get that bike.
because thats not really helping me at all :(
if you want to suggest a bike please explain why it will suit me or atleast give some sort of advice why that bike is better then what i was looking at

edit "dont" (gyro)

you can't swap the brake to the front on any of those bikes, you will either need to buy a garbage caliper brake or buy a new fork with 990 mounts. Gyro's are becoming pretty much obsolete now, just stick with a long straight cable.

so maybe it would be best to get the cheaper dk step up then.
and eventually switch for the 990 fork and get a nice front break?
how much would the new fork and break cost me?
would it be already better to build the bike from the ground up?
i dont need a bike asap because i have 2bikes at home that i can use anytime i want.
i just want my own and i want to do it right.
thnx for the usefull information tho

but i like the gyro.
flatland is not important to me.
i want to get a bike thats good for all around.
mostly to be really comfortable for street riding because i like to travel on bike all over the neighborhoods i live around.
i want the bike to be light so its easier to learn tricks like bunny hop and 180's
but i want to add a front break so i can learn flatland tricks too.
but i dont like having the gyro because i want the bike to be light as possible. and because i dont even need the rear breaks.
please dont just say get this bike or get that bike.
because thats not really helping me at all :(
if you want to suggest a bike please explain why it will suit me or atleast give some sort of advice why that bike is better then what i was looking at
Flatland bikes are different from any other bike. So you need one for street. Don't run a front brake. Just run no brakes.

sry i meant i DONT like the gyro!
sry

Could someone please draw me a map?...because I'm lost.

lately i been looking at the
eastern shovelhead
fbm executioner and heathen
kink transition
stolen wrap and stolen heist
but the one im really leaning towards is
we the people addict

out of those bikes which is a better choice?
and why? what is pro con?
any info is really appreciated!

thnx in advance

eastern shovelhead - NO, >$400 and not even full CroMo
fbm executioner and heathen - NO, Not Full CroMo
kink transition - YES, Nice choice
stolen wrap and stolen heist - YES & YES, Good bikes and values
but the one im really leaning towards is
we the people addict (08?) - NO, sorry. Gotta step up to Trust (08) or Addict (09) level to get the good frames. Good bike company though.

eastern shovelhead - NO, >$400 and not even full CroMo
fbm executioner and heathen - NO, Not Full CroMo
kink transition - YES, Nice choice
stolen wrap and stolen heist - YES & YES, Good bikes and values
but the one im really leaning towards is
we the people addict - NO, sorry. Gotta step up to Trust (08) or Addict (09) level to get the good frames. Good bike company though.

The addict is a good bike.

The addict is a good bike.
Primo, I think we both would agree that for >$400 for a 4130
Trimoly frame there are better choices / values. I bet they
realized and is why they stepped it up to full CroMo for 2009. Lets
hope the don't jack up the price and knock it out of the values of
the year category ;).

im 5'11 or close to 6.

the reason i liked the fbm and the addict because danscomp showed they were the lighter choices.

atm all i can really do is a small bunny hop and not even onto a curb yet.
im currently working on getting footjam endo down. after that i wana go for footjam tailwhip.
so i thought the lighter bike would help me learn those type of tricks faster.
at first i was really interested in flatland. after more research i see that street is more my current style but i wanna learn flatland aswell.

im not in a rush to get a bike asap. but i am kinda tired of borrowing my friends bike. i just wanna get my own and learn on my own bike.

im kinda tight on the funds atm but i think i can work a bit and put aside 420 for a nice bike ;)
i wanna learn to ride breakless.

well thanks for all the help. really much appreciated.
i dont like the colors of the wrap or heist.
now the candy red kink or the black one is starting to look realll fine!!

and now the grind before i finally get one!

once again thnx for all the help and information.

Primo, I think we both would agree that for >$400 for a 4130
Trimoly frame there are better choices / values. I bet they
realized and is why they stepped it up to full CroMo for 2009. Lets
hope the don't jack up the price and knock it out of the values of
the year category ;).
Yea there are better choices. But I don't like Stolen. Kink is better imo

dont worry about weight.

dont worry about weight.

Unless you're pushing 30#

word.

no, just don't worry about it.

Actually, I will worry about it. A 20# bike is much easier to ride/control/jump than one that weighs 30.

no it's not, dont be a *****

^^ Another 19 year old know-it-all :lol:

hahaha.
when i first got my bike a few years back, it weighed 33 lbs with pegs. stock weight doesnt matter cause eventually you'll start swapping parts for new, better, lighter ones. and if you start out with a heavy bike, then everything seems to get easier and easier as your bike slowly becomes lighter.

Yes, but if your bike is that heavy from the start it is probably got a porky frame:(. It makes little sense to pour a lot of loot into a sub par frame. Either go with a light complete, frame build or get the entry level ride and replace minor parts if needed or get a new one when something major fails.

^^ Another 19 year old know-it-all :lol:

I'm not a know it all. I just know alot about bmx. I've been doing it since i was about 10. I rode bikes that weighed close to 40 pounds until i was about 16. Seriously, don't be a ***** weight doesn't matter. starting out on a heavy bike will only benefit you, but really there is no such thing as a heavy bike with the completes they sell these days. Weight should be the last thing your thinking about.

starting out on a heavy bike will only benefit you And a light bike will benefit less?

Actually, it may sound weird, but Fuzzy is completely right. If you start out with a light bike you don't really learn anything smooth, you just whip everything around. Starting out on a heavier bike will only be more beneficial in the long-run and you will find yourself getting much better with new lighter parts after being used to heavier parts.

i dont want to get new lighter parts, if im spending close to 400$ on a bike i expect it to be light because i want something thats light.
why would i spend soo much money thinking all i have to do is spend more down the line?
whats the point?
i want something for 300$ or even less that can be really light and easy to ride for long periods of time and learn alot on it!

i want something for 300$ or even less that can be really light Unfortunately those two requests don't go hand in hand.

ok so i guess the kink transition is the best choice for me.
now i gotta save up for it ;)
im about halfway through haha.
and the bike shop near me said there supplier is out of them till atleast october :(

earlier i wanted to get the DK stylus and learn flatland.
but now i think ill go with a nice light street bike and still learn flatland on it and be able to ride street aswell ;)

this is stupid. he says he doesnt want a heavy bike, which would be cheaper, and then pay money down the line for newer parts. if you get an expensive, high end complete, the parts wont last a lot longer than some really cheap ones. and no matter what, you'll end up putting extra money into your bike. if you dont want to pay more later, then dont even start riding. my bike was only $250 when i bought it, but since then ive put another $300 into it in parts, and hours upon hours of my own time. and the $300 isnt counting all the money i put into tubes. i go through a lot of those.

this is stupid. he says he doesnt want a heavy bike, which would be cheaper, and then pay money down the line for newer parts. if you get an expensive, high end complete, the parts wont last a lot longer than some really cheap ones. and no matter what, you'll end up putting extra money into your bike. if you dont want to pay more later, then dont even start riding. my bike was only $250 when i bought it, but since then ive put another $300 into it in parts, and hours upon hours of my own time. and the $300 isnt counting all the money i put into tubes. i go through a lot of those.

word

you can barely get a frame for $300. If you're just bunny hopping and trying a little flatland, you don't need a crazy high end bike yet. Get something that has a decent frame and worry about the other stuff when you get to that point. about the front brakes, I was front brake only for a while before I went brakeless to make myself a little smoother. if you don't want to spend the money on a new fork with 990 mounts, see if you can find a 990 brake plate adaptor. it bolts into the hole for the caliper brakes but has the mounts for 990's. I ran one for a few years and never had a problem. also if you want to take the brakes off, you dont have to worry about re-tuning them if you ever want to pet them back on. you just undo one bolt and you golden. Your local bike shop might have them. They look like this but have 990 mounts instead: http://www.danscomp.com/489051.php?cat=PARTS (<---dont buy that, its just an example of a brake plate adaptor). good luck

bought the stolen heist. at a deal from somebody that lightly used it. still looks brand new!
330 !!

You should get a bike that suit your needs & your budget !!

i got the stolen heist and i love it.
but now that im learning to hop and still trying to learn a manual.
i want an even lighter bike.
i think im going to buy the grim reaper 2.0 frame and slowly build another bike. but this one ill build super duper light ;) any advice for which parts to get?
im not sure which rims to get. but im still far from buying the frame. just wondering which rims would be best for street but also very light

#1. dont buy eastern. just dont.
#2. just ride what you have until something breaks or wears out, then replace it. dont act loke some stuck up little ***** who's parents are loaded and do anything for their kid.

now that im learning to hop and still trying to learn a manual.
i want an even lighter bike. Why? Your still learning. Give your training wheels a chance. If you go light before you learn you will not progress as much as if you learn on a mid or heavy weight. Also lighter is for experienced riders that can land a high percentage of their tricks (which does not happen when learning basics) and are more prone to damage. Heist is a nice bike and is worthy of a few upgrades when needed. Save your money for that and go custom when truly ;) ready.