Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets - Dinotte does it again with the 800L

This may yet be dubbed "the flamethrower"!

From the email announcement:


Dear Customers and Friends

We always try to make sure you hear about new products from us before hearing it elsewhere. In this spirit, we are pleased to annouce we are introducing the 800L.

The 800L will be our newest of lights designed for handlebar mounting only. The 800L will be the brightest light in our lineup providing a wider beam and similar intensity to the popular 600L product. Customers who want a bright helmet mounted product should consider the 400L.

The 800L mounts and features will be identical to the 800L EXCEPT the run time will be 2.5 hours on high (versus 3.5 hours for the 600L.) Light output is approximately 800 lumens.

The 800L can be seen by visiting our website www.dinottelighting.com, and clicking on our online store. (it's so new we haven't updated the website yet.)

The 800L is ready to ship and product will be available on a first come, first served basis. The 800L can be purchased with two of our four cell batteries and charger (439.00USD) or with battery and charger deleted (339.00 USD)

The 800L body is slightly larger than the 600L with a diameter of approximately 55mm at the widest point and weighing in at 215 grams, the 800L provides a tremendous amount of light output in a small package.

Please visit our website www.dinottelighting.com and select our online store or visit our store directly by visiting http://store.dinottelighting.com

We thank all of you for your commitment to our products.

DiNotte Lighting USA

Looks sweet. For those on a budget, a pair of P7s at 500 lumens each will give 1000 lumens for $80.

Looks sweet. For those on a budget, a pair of P7s at 500 lumens each will give 1000 lumens for $80.

Do you join every thread about any kind of lighting just to plug those P7 lights? Sheesh! Do you work for them or something?

At the rate I plug them, I should get some kind of commission. Don't worry, I'll probably stop soon. Part of this is me still being in the thrill of actually finding fantastic lights for dirt cheap. It's sort of like discovering a company making Cervelo-caliber bikes for Walmart MTB prices.

I won't be buying a DiNotte 800L if its claim to fame is that it has similar intensity to the 600L, but with a wider beam. The 600L's beam is already much wider than I need for road/commuting. If they'd make an 800L that can throw way down the highway, instead of spreading light across four lanes, then sign me up for one of those. I realize the flood beam is great for mountain biking, but my commute has 35mph / 55kph downhill sections where I want to see a long ways ahead.


Looks sweet. For those on a budget, a pair of P7s at 500 lumens each will give 1000 lumens for $80.

...for an hour, anyway ;) I guess a guy could always stop halfway through his commute and swap out batteries.

I won't be buying a DiNotte 800L if its claim to fame is that it has similar intensity to the 600L, but with a wider beam. The 600L's beam is already much wider than I need for road/commuting. If they'd make an 800L that can throw way down the highway, instead of spreading light across four lanes, then sign me up for one of those. I realize the flood beam is great for mountain biking, but my commute has 35mph / 55kph downhill sections where I want to see a long ways ahead...

Holy cow, ditto! I'd pay money to buy a different lense for the 600L so it was narrower but reached farther.

...then I might actually consider mounting it on my helmet. I don't like blinding people as they pass, which I'm pretty sure it would do with the 600L's wide beam.

I would guess (in my opinion, not having actually seen it) that the 800L is pretty much a mountain biker light.

Do you join every thread about any kind of lighting just to plug those P7 lights? Sheesh! Do you work for them or something?

Is he right though? If he's not just prepare a counter post and do that everytime someone brings up a p7 light and tell them how much it sucks.

I have an 800L on order to complement my 600L :-)

What makes the Dinotte lights great in my eyes is not just the LED, but good, affordable battery packs, interchangeability across their product line, good physical construction, sensible UI etc. Maybe they could do a run of quad P7s. 2400L?

please please please post up your own review and comparison with pics if you can, especially since you already have a 600l to compare it to! It would be greatly appreciated by many im sure!

Dinotte does it again with the 800L

what? they created another light that's largely unaffordable by the majority of bicyclists? yippee...

Ok, here are 600L / 800L comparison beamshots:

Canon 10D, ISO 100, F8.0, 4s exposure, manual, tripod.

The setting is my backyard, but if someone has requests, I might be able to re-do in a different setting.

The full gallery is here: http://rv-there-yet.smugmug.com/gallery/6128272_UWtyW/1/385488663_cayix#385489352_npBEN

Here is goes:

Dinotte 600L - Low
http://rv-there-yet.smugmug.com/photos/385488961_7EdNf-X3.jpg

Dinotte 600L - Med
http://rv-there-yet.smugmug.com/photos/385489083_nozk3-X3.jpg

Dinotte 600L - High
http://rv-there-yet.smugmug.com/photos/385489207_Xw97r-X3.jpg

Dinotte 800L - Low
http://rv-there-yet.smugmug.com/photos/385488760_p4ShR-X3.jpg

Dinotte 800L - Med
http://rv-there-yet.smugmug.com/photos/385488760_p4ShR-X3.jpg

Dinotte 800L - High
http://rv-there-yet.smugmug.com/photos/385488880_284ZR-X3.jpg

Dinotte "1400L" - both on high
http://rv-there-yet.smugmug.com/photos/385489352_npBEN-X3.jpg

Happy looking.

Thanks diesel dad but is it just me or does everything look way too dark with the exception of the last two shots?

Thanks diesel dad but is it just me or does everything look way too dark with the exception of the last two shots?

I debated the exposure. In reality, everything above the low setting was bright. If I re-shoot, I'll go up one f-stop and see if they look better. But the comparison will be less obvious because everything will look bright in the photos.

I'm holding out for a handlebar-mounted Death Star. I hear Dinotte is working on it, but having a little trouble keeping the prototypes safe.

I'm holding out for a handlebar-mounted Death Star. I hear Dinotte is working on it, but having a little trouble keeping the prototypes safe.

Hang in there. I'm told that it will soon be fully operational.

Diesel Dad,

If you redo this, and I am not saying you should, maybe put the chairs at different distances so we can judge throw as well as fill.

Cheers,
Barry

Diesel Dad,

If you redo this, and I am not saying you should, maybe put the chairs at different distances so we can judge throw as well as fill.

Cheers,
Barry

I will re-do next week in a more realistic setting. We have lots of country roads, forest paths etc. that would be more illustrative.

anyway ;)


Look at this ! :)




i'm holding out for a handlebar-mounted death star. I hear dinotte is working on it, but having a little trouble keeping the prototypes safe.

I will re-do next week in a more realistic setting. We have lots of country roads, forest paths etc. that would be more illustrative.

Looking forward to it. I am sure that I speak for many when I say that I am envious of your light set!! Maybe you could post a pic of your set up. Both cannot run off one battery unless you are using a much bigger battery. Have you given thought to run a 10+Ahr water bottle battery with a splitter to both lights? It would be similar to the Lupine Betty 14 set up, with similar draw. Without a common battery pack, you get different run times with the two lights. I am sure two Dinotte 4cells (one wired to to 600 and one to the 800) are not the best option for you, unless you are running three 4 cell wired together in parallel? As you can understand, inquiring minds want to know.

This might work-https://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2424

Or this which would give you 5.5 hrs both on high-https://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=4303

At the rate I plug them, I should get some kind of commission. Don't worry, I'll probably stop soon. Part of this is me still being in the thrill of actually finding fantastic lights for dirt cheap. It's sort of like discovering a company making Cervelo-caliber bikes for Walmart MTB prices.

Please ... tell us more :hide

Looking forward to it. I am sure that I speak for many when I say that I am envious of your light set!! Maybe you could post a pic of your set up. Both cannot run off one battery unless you are using a much bigger battery. Have you given thought to run a 10+Ahr water bottle battery with a splitter to both lights? It would be similar to the Lupine Betty 14 set up, with similar draw. Without a common battery pack, you get different run times with the two lights. I am sure two Dinotte 4cells (one wired to to 600 and one to the 800) are not the best option for you, unless you are running three 4 cell wired together in parallel? As you can understand, inquiring minds want to know.

This might work-https://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2424

Or this which would give you 5.5 hrs both on high-https://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=4303

The only person who is not keen on the setup is the dear wife.

I actually have 4 X 4 cell Dinotte batteries and 2 X 4 cells. The batteries are small and light, so I just attach two if need be and throw another one or two in the pocket.

One big advantage of the Dinotte "system" is that the batteries are cheap (less than $50 each for the 4C) and everything (headlights, running lights and tail lights) is interchangeable. So an extra battery can service any light.

Good quality protected 18650 batteries cost $10+ each, so this is a deal.

It is very rare that I ride for more than 3 hours in total darkness. If I start in the pre-dawn for commuting or for a morning weekend ride, it's normally dawn before I exhaust one battery. Similarily, if I commute home or have a late afternoon road ride, the portion after twilight is always less than 3 hours.

If you are a 24-hour solo racer, this may not work but for 99% of users it should be fine. Run on medium if you really need 10 hours.

I also have a PT SB3 light. It has a 10 cell battery and even with Lux III emitters, it gets around 6 hours on high. But high is dimmer than medium on a 600L and the battery weighs a ton. If the battery dies or I need a second one, the cost is around $200.

Might be worthwhile to contact Rob at Dinotte so see if he can reverse the Y-connector to connect two battery packs in parallel. Can't be tough and they have been responsive to previous requests of mine (like selling extra handlebar mounts on the website).

My view is that at the end of the day, lights are cheap -- death is expensive.

Good quality protected 18650 batteries cost $10+ each, so this is a deal.


I'd rank the DX Trustfires as decent-to-good protected batteries. They're $5 each.
Haven't had any trouble with the pair I bought for my P7.

Diesel Dad,

If you redo this, and I am not saying you should, maybe put the chairs at different distances so we can judge throw as well as fill.

Cheers,
Barry

After lot's of feedback, I read about Lupine's testing procedure and also read a very retentive article on a german MTB site about proper testing. So tonight I dragged the kids off to the enchanted forest for another try.

This time, I used the Canon EOS 10S as ISO 800 for 6s at F8 with an effective focal length of 35mm. The reflectors are at approx. 10m, 25m and 50m. The path was primarily covered with dry western red cedar.

Here are the new and improved pics:

600L on low:
http://rv-there-yet.smugmug.com/photos/389927990_xc39A-X3.jpg

800L on low:
http://rv-there-yet.smugmug.com/photos/389926893_eWkkM-X3.jpg

600L on medium:
http://rv-there-yet.smugmug.com/photos/389928317_nyVtV-X3.jpg

800L on medium:
http://rv-there-yet.smugmug.com/photos/389927244_tpFsD-X3.jpg

600L on high:
http://rv-there-yet.smugmug.com/photos/389928649_g2jXB-X3.jpg

800L on high:
http://rv-there-yet.smugmug.com/photos/389927668_D8xnE-X3.jpg

Finally the "1400L" - both on high:
http://rv-there-yet.smugmug.com/photos/389929064_pXwM9-X3.jpg

Gallery link:
Dinotte Comparison Gallery ("http://rv-there-yet.smugmug.com/gallery/6128272_UWtyW//389926893_eWkkM)

Hope those are more useful. Keep on truckin!

Just ordered the 800L today spoke with Rob.They have great customer service,he included an extra handle bar mount n/c and express shipping at n/c!On top of that no sales tax,with the extra mount I can move the light from my hybrid to my road bike without having to re aim the light.

diesel_dad, excellent! :) I LOVE the 1400L picture!

Hey Diesel Dad,

Thanks for the redo. Great pictures and again, we are all jealous of your fab light setup.

Cheers.

I hate you because you make my 200L seem so inadequate. :cry:

I used my 800L for the first time last night and all I have to say is holy crap this is one bright light!I had it on my hybrid bike and road the IL Prairie Path (rails to trail) last night and had no problem seeing,it's like a car light even on med setting. I did have to move my Cateye wireless computer over(away) from the light engine(which is mounted on the opposite side of the handlebars),when the light is in med or low setting my computer would stop working.Something with the electronics in the light? When light is on med or low setting the blue rt hand button flashes at certain intervals to let you know what setting your light is at,on high setting it's constant no flashing.Is this a known interference problem with lights and wireless bike computers?

I used my 800L for the first time last night and all I have to say is holy crap this is one bright light!I had it on my hybrid bike and road the IL Prairie Path (rails to trail) last night and had no problem seeing,it's like a car light even on med setting. I did have to move my Cateye wireless computer over(away) from the light engine(which is mounted on the opposite side of the handlebars),when the light is in med or low setting my computer would stop working.Something with the electronics in the light? When light is on med or low setting the blue rt hand button flashes at certain intervals to let you know what setting your light is at,on high setting it's constant no flashing.Is this a known interference problem with lights and wireless bike computers?

I have used the 600L with my Cateye Micro Wireless and had no problems. I mount my Cateye on the stem with zipties so it's a little further from the light. The Cateye mount has holes in both directions so it's easy to move.

I used my 800L for the first time last night and all I have to say is holy crap this is one bright light!I had it on my hybrid bike and road the IL Prairie Path (rails to trail) last night and had no problem seeing,it's like a car light even on med setting. I did have to move my Cateye wireless computer over(away) from the light engine(which is mounted on the opposite side of the handlebars),when the light is in med or low setting my computer would stop working.Something with the electronics in the light? When light is on med or low setting the blue rt hand button flashes at certain intervals to let you know what setting your light is at,on high setting it's constant no flashing.Is this a known interference problem with lights and wireless bike computers?

Its probably being affected by the PWM (pulse width modulation) that the Dinotte uses to achieve its lower modes.

I received my 600L the same day they announced the 800L :cry:

When money permits, I may mount the 600L to my helmet, and buy the 800L

I received my 600L the same day they announced the 800L :cry:

When money permits, I may mount the 600L to my helmet, and buy the 800L

If you're mountain biking or exclusively ride on streets that might work ok. But I just hope you aren't spending any time riding where there's oncoming bike traffic - I've had 1 person complain about how bright my 600L was on high while I was riding past them on the local MUT. That was with my 600L on the handlebars. I can't even imagine how blinding a 600L would be on the helmet, or how much more blinding an 800L would be on the handlebars (Since it's supposed to throw out even more light to the sides of the trail).

If you're mountain biking or exclusively ride on streets that might work ok. But I just hope you aren't spending any time riding where there's oncoming bike traffic - I've had 1 person complain about how bright my 600L was on high while I was riding past them on the local MUT. That was with my 600L on the handlebars. I can't even imagine how blinding a 600L would be on the helmet, or how much more blinding an 800L would be on the handlebars (Since it's supposed to throw out even more light to the sides of the trail).

Nope, no MUP or MUT or my route. When I first got the DiNotte I had drivers flashing their hi-beams from the other side of a divided highway, but I guess they are used to seeing me now.

When I do take a weekend "pleasure ride" on the local MUP, I don't use lights at all.

Ah well, it'll be a while before I can afford another DiNotte light anyway.

I'm holding out for a handlebar-mounted Death Star. I hear Dinotte is working on it, but having a little trouble keeping the prototypes safe.
Death stars are much to large to be handlebar mounted and when blown up only produce light for a few seconds. The rebels are always blowing them up at the most inopportune times as well.
http://andymoore.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/death-star-explodes.jpg