Touring - Dumpster diving? how many of you do this? fav spots?

I'm planning on dumpster diving for some extra calories on my upcoming tour. I know many of you will probably frown at this, it sounds gross if you've never done it. From my experience i can usually find bags full of bread from bakeries with no trash mixed in and other pretty sanitary food like whole pizzas still in the box just sitting on top. I always carry a little bottle of hand sanitizer though JIC my hand gets on something gross.

Some of my favorite places: Starbucks, Natural food stores, pizza places, panera bread (and other bakery/delicatessen type places.) I found a dumpster full of books at Borders the other night.. got some star wars and even JRR tolkein books. mostly crappy romance novels though.

America has the richest waste in the world. sometimes i can't believe the things people throw away. When I have so much food me and my family can't eat it all I drop it off at homeless shelters, or just pass it out to bums on the street when i'm coming home from a night of dumpster adventures. Oh, and i've never gotten sick. i'm really careful about what i take. sometimes even after i get home with things if i have even a moment of second thought i throw it in the compost.

Some of my favorite places: Starbucks, Natural food stores, pizza places, panera bread (and other bakery/delicatessen type places.) I found a dumpster full of books at Borders the other night.. got some star wars and even JRR tolkein books. mostly crappy romance novels though.


My day job in the midst of touring is Starbucks. And I got to say it is probably one of the best places to dumpster dive (except at my store because I take everything and give it to someone that needs it). If you do not mind a little coffee grounds in the food than it is a great place. The best is probably the breakfast sandwiches, that are only kept for 2 days before being thrown away and are individually wrapped making them a great find, with each being 400-500 calories for the road. I take them with me on my rides and they also last all day in my bag not refrigerated and they are still good.

My hats off to you and your ventures in the dumpster.

I really wish that people differentiated between pure trash, typical recyclables (cans, bottles, etc.), and then things other people can use. It is sad that just people can afford to waste, they do when they are so near others that would need it.

Not really a tourer, though give me 30 years and I'll be there, just wanted to give you a *thumbs up*.

By the way, books?!? I didn't think a bookstore would toss books; were they brand new?

unsold books are supposed to be destroyed

This is so interesting. I've heard of it but never done it. How do you choose a store, what time do you go, do you ever get in trouble? Would love to learn more!

I need to supplement my "dumpster diving" with protein from road kill since most of what I find behind supermarkets is carbohydrate - usually over-processed bakery good chock full of trans-fats. I'm really careful about what I collect on the road, leaving anything too maggotty stictly alone. If the blood is still wet or better yet if I actually see the animal run over then I know that the meat will be fresh and last long enough to get to camp. Oh, and I only eat rabbits, deer, and squirrels. No possums, armadillos, or rats!

I have dumpster dived and it is amazing what is thrown away. Unfortunately dumpsters around here are now often locked or have been replaced by compactors.

That said I have not done this on tour and don't think it is that great of an option on most tours that I would do. Why? Well for one reason I can't see touring in urban areas. In the tiny towns that I am likely to stop in the pickings would be slim to nonexistent and the little stores are in need of the business. I need the stores too and would find it rude especially in that small town setting to use their ice machine, water, restroom, and root through their trash. What little I need on any given day amounts to a small amount of business to them.

OTOH: If you are in big towns, I would have no qualms about diving in the dumpster of some soulless xmart or overpriced coffee place. The pickings would be better too.

I need to supplement my "dumpster diving" with protein from road kill since most of what I find behind supermarkets is carbohydrate - usually over-processed bakery good chock full of trans-fats. I'm really careful about what I collect on the road, leaving anything too maggotty stictly alone. If the blood is still wet or better yet if I actually see the animal run over then I know that the meat will be fresh and last long enough to get to camp. Oh, and I only eat rabbits, deer, and squirrels. No possums, armadillos, or rats!

This is also interesting to me! How do you know that the animal wasn't sick or that there wasn't any contamination say from the intestines being split and fecal matter getting all over the meat? Or just from other things on the road... if I bought a steak and somehow managed to drop it on the road and then a truck ran over it I'm not sure I'd eat it.

I do believe that the roadkill idea was a joke. If it wasn't then we need to talk. But I have taken a deer that was crippled by a truck that left it there. I had to put it out of it's misery, broken back, and called the conservation agent and took it home. But squirrels and bunnies, too much of a mess to clean.

A friend of mine did pick up a raccoon for the skin once, but it wasn't done with it yet!!!! Almost wrecked his truck when it came to. Talk about the fur flyin!!!

Or just from other things on the road... if I bought a steak and somehow managed to drop it on the road and then a truck ran over it I'm not sure I'd eat it.
The six-second rule applies.

On our VW trip we used the shortwave radio (http://www.vwvagabonds.com/Buyingfreedom.html) found on top of the pile of our apartment complex dumpster. In that same dumpster I found a box of used books I traded to a bookstore for some Lonely Planet guidebooks we needed.

While digging through the dumpster at our local bike shop (for a bike box to ship a bike sold on Ebay) I found piles of the current month cycling magazines with the UPC cut off.

Back when we lived in a big apartment complex I remember that the end of the month when people were moving out the dumpster would be full of unbelievable stuff.

You've heard of vegetarians (don't eat meat) and vegans (don't eat any animal products)... well, there are also freegans, who eat only free food --much of what comes from dumpsters.

I have great admiration for all of these. I, personally, have a hard time with arbitrary dietary restrictions. To mix aphorisms: you mustn't look a free lunch in the mouth.

I am a regular dumpster diver, but I specialize in bike parts and the like. The dumpsters I frequent don't usually have anything (still) edible.

I do believe that the roadkill idea was a joke. If it wasn't then we need to talk. But I have taken a deer that was crippled by a truck that left it there. I had to put it out of it's misery, broken back, and called the conservation agent and took it home. But squirrels and bunnies, too much of a mess to clean.

A friend of mine did pick up a raccoon for the skin once, but it wasn't done with it yet!!!! Almost wrecked his truck when it came to. Talk about the fur flyin!!!

I don't know... was it a joke? I have heard people talk about it seriously and I'm pretty sure I've seen mention of it on touring sites before.

I come from post-war Europe where food was scarce and often rationed. It is indeed sickening to see how much food is wasted in our society.

I'd rather see someone eat unwanted food than have it end up rotting in a landfill site.

Look, don't you think that eating decomposing road kill or competing with rats for food in dumpsters is unsafe? Here's the potpourri of nasties you can pick up from the habit - any one of them guaranteed to ruin your tour:

http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/topics/foodborne/

Don't be foolish.

Oh, and my post was indeed a joke. Putting down a deer and then eating it seems reasonable though.

By the way, books?!? I didn't think a bookstore would toss books; were they brand new?

they were brand new with the front covers ripped off, magazines too. They mail the covers back to the supplier to get credit for them. Cover art usually pisses me off anyway, because then my imagination is filled with someone else's idea of what the characters look like.

bokerfest: my freezer is full of about 3 shopping bags of those brekfast sammiches! turkey bacon w/ multigrain bun, mmmm. the florentines are good too.

cyclesafe: I don't have the knowledge to do the road kill thing yet... I wouldn't know how to skin/clean etc. but this is something i'll def look into. I've heard many stories of people getting deer from the side of the road. mmm.

Avatarwolf: Personally i always go at night.. usually 11 or 12 so I can get the fresh stuff that the people have just thrown out at the end of the night. and i like to avoid confrontation too. That being said i've been to a lot of dumpsters that are right next to bars and people usually come out and see me, no one has ever said anything to me though. They usually walk quickly in the other direction, or hop in to thier cars asap, hehe. I'm sure people think "oh crap, he's so desperate he's eating from the trash! he might rob me!" hehe. It's the bum disguise.

how I choose a place... i'm kind of a curious person so when i first started i just checked in every dumpster to see what kinda stuff they have. I think It matters more on the type of people that close the store than the business itself.. for example.. some starbucks do mix their coffee grinds in with the food they throw out. but the place i always go to now always uses a separate bag for food at the end of the night, so i don't have to deal with dirty food. Probably how the manager likes it or something, works for me! Just check out any place though.. personally i'll never try to get food out of a buffet dumpster again... tons of edible food, tons! but it's always all grossly mixed up with half eaten pieces and drinks... ewww.

Dumpsters near the dorms at the end of college semesters. Loads of free stuff being thrown away by lucky wasteful *******s. Once found an Al Merrick surfboard, and wetsuit with 300$ in the pocket. Learned to surf, and payed my rent. Cant beat that with a stick

bin diving since age 10.

Roadkill might have been a joke in this post but not for some people. See what you can look up with free wifi? We are going back to the bikes tomorrow, honest...

http://www.ehow.com/how_2123420_eat-roadkill.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/jan/31/foodanddrink.britishidentity - the roadkill recipe book!

Yeah, I'm kinda grossed out. ;)

I do agree that we toss out a lot of very usable and/or fixable things, so I have no problems dumpster diving for objects. I draw the line at food though. Why?

1) The better option is to convince food providers to donate their leftover products to local charities. This ensures that the food gets used, isn't spoiled, and encourages the businesses to be good citizens.
2) There is only so much that a visual inspection can tell you about the quality of food. Spoilage is a real problem and potential health risk.
3) Dumpster diving for food is not going to alter societal behavior or make a measurable impact on community habits. It might make you feel better but ultimately it is not a workable solution.
4) As far as touring goes, getting a balanced diet is critical. Not sure how you can do that if you leave your dining choices to the whims of fate rather than selecting items in a store - especially when traveling in areas where stores are few and far between.
5) Similar to staeph1, I think it's better that you try to give the locals a little bit of business when you visit their areas. It makes a better impression overall.

By the way, while your actions are most likely legal in all cases, you still might get stopped and questioned (and potentially harassed) in some communities. Things like grease theft are becoming a problem, so if someone sees you rooting around the dumpster there's always a chance that someone, possibly even law enforcement, is going to get curious. So if you insist on doing it, just be prepared.

I don't know... was it a joke? I have heard people talk about it seriously and I'm pretty sure I've seen mention of it on touring sites before.

I am thinking this entire thread is a joke or either this thread is from posting of homeless people

I am thinking this entire thread is a joke or either this thread is from posting of homeless people

Stan, I know it might be challenging, but could you attempt something approaching basic English literacy when espousing your judgemental opinions? Kthanx!

yours,
DC dumpsterdiver

I am thinking this entire thread is a joke or either this thread is from posting of homeless people

Dirt Rag magazine had a touring article last year that promoted dumpster diving, so it's probably legit. Also, dumpster diving comes up frequently on Living Car-free.

My main beef with freeganism is that people who call themselves freegans are not usually the people who can't afford to buy food elsewhere. My city has a lot of genuinely poor and homeless people who have to scrounge to get enough to eat. Taking food out of a dumpster is literally taking food out of the mouth of someone who can't afford to buy any.

This is far from a joke. The waste in this country is a disgrace. Still I don't really see it as a big help on tour.

My Dad noticed that all of the stock of entire brands were being thrown out at the local grocery when a different chain bought the store out. He was financially fairly well off, but couldn't bear to see the waste. We were talking lots of brand new stock in sealed containers.

He collected it, hauled it home on a bike with a huge basket, and redistributed much of it to folks who could use it. He found that after the big change was done they still threw out things like a whole case of shampoo because one bottle leaked over the others, or a case of cherries because the corner of the case was crushed, or stuff that was just out of date. It was way more stuff than one family could dream of using.

Once he called me and asked if I wanted Ice cream . I filled my truck bed with ice cream in half gallons as well as boxes of bars. I loaded my freezer with what I wanted and told the local kids to come and get it. The truck was empty quick :)

After quite a few years of his diving I asked about it and he said he was retired. He was in his later 70's then (He still rode, but didn't dive any more).

Thrift stores is ski towns like Aspen and Jackson.

When the ski areas close in April they are deluged with more stuff than they can handle. (A lot of it high quality and/or hardly used) Inside the store the prices are rock bottom. Outside the store the dumpsters are full of stuff other thrift stores would sell.

Sheesh, I'm not joking here.

Y'know, I find a lot of humor in the idea of eating road kill, but honestly I've never done it. But dumpster food? Yes, I have. A year ago I found an unopened box of 100 teabags (Twinings Darjeeling) in my local dumpster. Completely sealed in plastic. I took them and supplied my office for a couple months. I know some people are offended by the thought of eating food that has been in a dumpster; but I, personally, take pride in being able to do so.

This seems kinda obvious to me, but here's a good rule of thumb: if something is disgusting, don't eat it! You can find disgusting, inedible stuff in dumpsters, and by the side of the road, etc; and it can be served to you at a fancy restaurant; I suggest when you encounter such disgusting inedible stuff, you don't eat it. With me so far? On the other hand, if you find something that looks and smells good, and you're hungry, its pedigree doesn't matter. Where appropriate, you should pay for it, of course. Likewise, where appropriate, you may have to wash, skin, peel, and/or cook it.

When on tour, I can imagine the washing, skinning, peeling, and cooking thing would be pretty challenging; so I'm not likely to try it. I'm not a hunter, don't know how to skin a deer, and so on. So all this is hypothetical, but... IF I were out on a tour and had to find dinner anyway; and IF a freshly killed deer presented itself at the side of the road; and IF I had a nice sharp knife on me; and IF I knew how to find the part that's good to eat; the only reason not to cut off a few steaks and grill 'em up that evening is that I wouldn't be able to marinade it for long enough to suit my taste. But, as I say, this is all pretty hypothetical.

I have friends who shop at the back of the the store. I've even pataken of the fruits of the dumpster myself, when people around me have scored big and redistributed the wealth. My b/f got chased away from a dive mission in Tucson, at Trader Joes (great dumpsters when not locked up or guarded, by the way).

If you do it enough, you get a few rounds of food poisoning. Not for me. that's all i can say.

Yeah, I'm kinda grossed out. ;)

I do agree that we toss out a lot of very usable and/or fixable things, so I have no problems dumpster diving for objects. I draw the line at food though. Why?

1) The better option is to convince food providers to donate their leftover products to local charities. This ensures that the food gets used, isn't spoiled, and encourages the businesses to be good citizens.
2) There is only so much that a visual inspection can tell you about the quality of food. Spoilage is a real problem and potential health risk.
3) Dumpster diving for food is not going to alter societal behavior or make a measurable impact on community habits. It might make you feel better but ultimately it is not a workable solution.
4) As far as touring goes, getting a balanced diet is critical. Not sure how you can do that if you leave your dining choices to the whims of fate rather than selecting items in a store - especially when traveling in areas where stores are few and far between.
5) Similar to staeph1, I think it's better that you try to give the locals a little bit of business when you visit their areas. It makes a better impression overall.

By the way, while your actions are most likely legal in all cases, you still might get stopped and questioned (and potentially harassed) in some communities. Things like grease theft are becoming a problem, so if someone sees you rooting around the dumpster there's always a chance that someone, possibly even law enforcement, is going to get curious. So if you insist on doing it, just be prepared.

1) I agree that would be better... but many places just don't care. it's a liability to give away food that is "below their standards." I've worked at a couple grocery store in teh produce area. At wal-mart we threw about 200 pounds of mostly perfectly edible produce away every day. Things like apples with a fingernail mark/cut in them. Even bananas that were singles or doubles we were required to throw away! I protested my manager and all the way up to the store manager.. they just weren't having it. Corporate ****** bags didn't give a damn. So of course i started "stealing" lots of their garbage before it went into the compacter.

2) this is true.. but mostly for meat/animal products. Visual and olfactory inspection of a loaf of bread that's still in the plastic bad, or an apple that has a little bruise on it is good enough for me. Eating fast food you probably consume more contaminants than if you were to pull an apple out of the trash and give it a good wash. You're supposed to wash produce anyway because of all the chemicals, manure, and underpaid pickers taking a piss/**** in the field because they get paid for how much they pick, and can't afford to walk to the bathroom. Above all when i'm judging food I go with my instincts, the human body knows what it does and doesn't like more than the frontal lobe.

3) I disagree. while i don't think it's gonna save the world. it's a little thing that anyone can do that does make a difference. The more food I can get for free the less food i have to buy that is shipped long distances on trucks using lots of petro. You can say i'm insignificant, but that's a pretty poor excuse to not be into enviro activism. Every little bit counts! No one thing we can do will make a huge impact, but all the little things collectively will save the world. And hey, if businesses see that people are getting food out of their dumpsters maybe they'll start thinking about giving it to homeless shelters etc.

4) I agree... which is why i said supplement. I'll be carrying food so i know i'm not gonna be stuck eating white bread for 2 days or something. But i'm riding 1500 miles and i'm sure my body will appreciate some extra calories that I wouldn't other wise be able to afford. I can't afford to buy pizzas along the way, nor would i have the equipment to cook cheap frozen pizzas. but that's not gonna stop me from getting some yummy pizza. :)

5) that's an option for some. but i'm more of a radical kind of person. It's not even that I don't always have the money. but i'd prefer not to support an economy that wastes so much. I'm not gonna get into this though... not the place for radical politics.

To the person who said dumpster diving is like stealing food out of a REAL homless person's mouth. In all the times i've been dumpster diving i've never ran into a "real bum." I've never even seen a bum looking in dumpsters for food, i only see other anarchist/punk kids. Even soccor mom's looking for free furniture and clothes for their kids. I know there are bums out there who do get food from dumpsters. i'm sure in really big places like NYC and in downtown areas where they seem to congregate. If I ever encountered a bum getting food from a place i'd stop going there and let him have it. I hate to generalize, but i think most types of "professional bums" are just looking for handouts. They don't actively pursue feeding themselves unless that means waiting in line at a soup kitchen. It's tried and true and it's a place they can depend on getting food. where as sometimes dumpster diving you won't find anything edible. bums can make a lot of money panhandling, and they know it.

To the person that said getting hassled by the cop is a possibilty. Yeah it's a possibility, but it's never happened to me. I've even had a cop or two catch me in the act and just keep on cruising by. There are no laws against taking something out of the garbage. you could possibly run into trespassing laws but i've never heard of this happening to anyone. Just be respectful and never leave the areas around the dumpster in a mess. I practice the "leave no trace" principals of dumpster diving. hehe.

Really though, if anyone is interested in saving food from the dump but don't feel comfortable eating it themselves you can give it to shelters or a group like "Food Not Bombs" (http://www.foodnotbombs.net/). Food Not Bombs is awesome. totally grassroots. They were on the Scene in New Orleans feeding people after hurricane Katrina before the Red Cross or any other groups got organized enough to start serving. They're a no nonsense, no bureaucracy kinda group that is all about feeding hungry people. When I was protesting at the DNC this summer the Denver chapter had a "bus kitchen" that served awesome vegan meals to anyone who was hungry. Protesters, homeless, and even some Obama/Hilary supporters that walked up out of curiosity to see what was going on. hehe. it was awesome! OK i'm getting way off track from bicycle touring now.

I think this is all kinda related though. Many of us choose to ride bikes because they don't effect the environment like cars and they are extremely cheaper to use than a gas powered vehicles: allowing us to live simpler lives comfortably. I'm personally always trying to reduce my impact on the earth, and this is just another fun way i've found to do it. It also gives me an excuse to go on stealthy ninja late night rides in the cool air.

Thrift stores is ski towns like Aspen and Jackson.

When the ski areas close in April they are deluged with more stuff than they can handle. (A lot of it high quality and/or hardly used) Inside the store the prices are rock bottom. Outside the store the dumpsters are full of stuff other thrift stores would sell.

I got out my notebook for this one.

i love dumpsterdiving, but here in new york its hard - so many people are doing it AND there are definitely homeless people that need that amazing food from the whole foods dumpster more than we do. so it becomes an ethical dilemma - do you not waste food by consuming it yourself, or do you pay money to buy something becasue you know someone else will scavenge that food?

20 year plus Freegan/Dumpster Diver/Recycler.....Simply put University Towns,heres a quick list of some of the better "Hunting Grounds"

1.Boulder Colo. (No 1 in the US)
2.State Collage Pa.
3.Eugene Or.
4.Ithaca N.Y.
5.Santa Cruz Ca.
6Davis Ca.
7.Chico Ca.
8.Athens Ga.
9Chaple Hill N.C.
10.Bloomington In.
11.Tucson Az.
12.Cambridge Mass. (Definitely Worth a look with Harvard,MIT.Radcliff ect)

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Absolutely no problem with Freeganising, I'll even supply a picture of us in action:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/KyleAndrewArcher/R6ln0rlRmOI/AAAAAAAAAvY/Xt4bIZkI_6Y/s576/083.JPG

One of our hauls:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/KyleAndrewArcher/R6ln8rlRmTI/AAAAAAAAAwA/fIGlVRJi0L0/s400/090.JPG

I dumpster dove once when I was a kid and found a 2 foot long, 30mm shell from what looked like a huge cannon.

I managed to break it open without blowing myself up and I was surprised to find out that it was fully loaded with powder !

seems like a win/win to me.

society's waste gets minimized, while people eat for free.

symbiotic, not parasitic.

My only problem with it is I have to stay up late! We are early to bed, early to rise tourers...

I have friends who shop at the back of the the store. I've even pataken of the fruits of the dumpster myself, when people around me have scored big and redistributed the wealth. My b/f got chased away from a dive mission in Tucson, at Trader Joes (great dumpsters when not locked up or guarded, by the way).

+1 for Trader Joe's dumpsters. They throw away LOTS AND LOTS of very high quality stuff.

Sheesh, I'm not joking here.


When on tour, I can imagine the washing, skinning, peeling, and cooking thing would be pretty challenging; so I'm not likely to try it. I'm not a hunter, don't know how to skin a deer, and so on. So all this is hypothetical, but... IF I were out on a tour and had to find dinner anyway; and IF a freshly killed deer presented itself at the side of the road; and IF I had a nice sharp knife on me; and IF I knew how to find the part that's good to eat; the only reason not to cut off a few steaks and grill 'em up that evening is that I wouldn't be able to marinade it for long enough to suit my taste. But, as I say, this is all pretty hypothetical.

As a farm raised redneck, I just can't stand to see good venison go to waste. And I got no problems diving in a dumpster. I'd rather see it used than wasted.

FYI, don't try this around Branson Missouri, you'll be competing with the local skunks, of which we seem to have more than an abundance of!!!!!!

i saw a longbed stacked full of loaves of bread yesterday, like cordwood, as i left walmart reading my grocery receipt, mentally calculating the price increase over last year on rice, milk, eggs, oats and bread.

i had to laugh at the irony.

This is so interesting. I've heard of it but never done it. How do you choose a store, what time do you go, do you ever get in trouble? Would love to learn more!

I can hardly believe you haven't heard of it. It's all the rage, and has been for a few years now.

http://www.dumpsterdiving.net/

And if you google it, you'll find a lot more.

they were brand new with the front covers ripped off, magazines too. They mail the covers back to the supplier to get credit for them. Cover art usually pisses me off anyway, because then my imagination is filled with someone else's idea of what the characters look like.



Yes, I've worked for a bookstore, and this is exactly what they do with books that haven't sold as well as hoped.

The one I worked for wasn't even allowed to rip the covers off and give the books to employees, but we knew when they were dumping them, and where ... that little bit of info always leaked out. ;)

I am thinking this entire thread is a joke or either this thread is from posting of homeless people

Google "dumpster diving" ... and get with the times!

If you do it enough, you get a few rounds of food poisoning. Not for me. that's all i can say.

This would be my concern. I've had food poisoning twice that I know of from restaurant food, and I never want to go through that again.

The first time was Bacillus Cereus, from rice kept at room temperature too long, and resulted in me DNF-ing a ride.

The most recent time was hamburger meat, likely contaminated by the hands of someone who did not wash their hands after using the toilet or engaging in something else unsanitary. The suspected bacteria matches the symptoms, and believe me if I'd been anywhere near civilization when the symptoms hit, I'd have collected samples to have them analyzed to be sure. It hit my father the day before me ... my father never gets sick, so it was suspicious. The next day, I was VIOLENTLY ill ... like I've never been before in my life ... in a campground where the only "facilities" for me to use were an outhouse and handpump.

If you do go dumpster diving on tour, you might want to plan camp in a campground with facilities of some sort, rather than wild/bush/stealth camping. Don't forget to carry electrolytes ... they helped me back to life. And a friend mentioned carrying charcoal capsules to ease the vomiting.

Just some precautions, just in case .... since that most recent food poisoning episode, I'm very careful what I eat.

high end supermarkets here in new york put out food thats close to expiring, and the hippies come crawling out of the sewers or wherever they hide out and video tape it to show how wasteful it is (not that it isnt I just loath lazy hippies). theyre in communes that come by and pick it up, showing how they can live soley on the city's waste. Ive found plenty of good stuff myself, its not rotted food, theyre making room and chuck it. Dag supermarkets wheres the parties at on monday nights. Im sure this goes on in all cities. Also, you can stock up on bread and butter by going into a resturant, then leaving before ordering.

Hey lou, you're a &*&SDF moron. i dont know if you're trolling or really believe there are lazy hippies that live in some magical communes, maybe you've been watching willy wonka a little too much. there are many hardworking students and workers, and some artists, who work full time jobs but have a hard time affording nyc which is an expensive city. so they help themselves to what the rich yuppies throw out, and maybe because they're wearing strange clothing, you call them lazy hippes? damn man.

enjoy your job at bear stearns, or AIG, or lehman brothers, man!

dirty hippies

dirty hippies

:rolleyes:

Google dumpster diving ... you'd be very surprised who does it. Might open your eyes.

dirty hippies

guess that typifies idiots from queens - check out streetsblog, you'll see how bike-friendly and progressive that sh1tty borough is...

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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah ... etc.

Yep. Troll.

no question there.. refering to the aholes, probably you yourself, that come to new york enrolled in nyu or whatever, get theyre nice apartment off campus in a new highrise on the outskrits of bedsty, play bad music with an acoustic guitars on a bleecker street in tatered clothes, and travel in groups to dags with megaphones and 10 videocameras for theyre sociology project acting llke they really give a sht and making a statement, so baked out of therye heads they arent even making sense. Street blog, which boros better, blah blah blah. you typifing this for me, your all the same. Mabey we'll take this over to the fixed gear forum and youll tell me how much of a p$%#y I am for riding a bike with gears. And its funny too because as soon as your done in college youll get your ad exec or financial job and move your gentrification from brooklyn to manhattan and kill another good music venue. Man you guys drive me crazy. Im born here, live here cause its cheap, and spend time not working to pay rent trying to make a band, not having my parents do it for me. now can I relax and read about people touring?

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