Road Cycling - What kind of brake pads to replace on these brakes?

I have these middle-pull brake on this old bike, and i need some new pads

http://www.thuan.org/temp/takara/3.jpg

what do i need to buy? replacement refills? 'shoes'? 'pads'? all i know is i heard kool stop eagle 2s were good and i would like to purchase them if possible
http://www.nashbar.com/results.cfm?subcategory=1015&category=69&browse=&storetype=&estoreid=&brand=&searchbox=&start=11&orderby=



so far ive gotten new wheels, a new cassette, and ordered a new stem.. i really would like to get new brake pads in so i could start hauling a** :D

Either the Aztec Formula (DE-FRS) or the Nashbar Road (NR-BRS) would work fine. The Aztecs will have more stopping power- the salmon colored rubber is more agressive, even when wet. The Nashbar brand pads look like the Tektro units that I have on my bike. I got them because they take the same inserts that fit Dura Ace brakes. When these wear out, I will replace them with Kool Stop salmon inserts.

I have these middle-pull brake on this old bike, and i need some new pads

http://www.thuan.org/temp/takara/3.jpg

what do i need to buy? replacement refills? 'shoes'? 'pads'? all i know is i heard kool stop eagle 2s were good and i would like to purchase them if possible
http://www.nashbar.com/results.cfm?subcategory=1015&category=69&browse=&storetype=&estoreid=&brand=&searchbox=&start=11&orderby=



so far ive gotten new wheels, a new cassette, and ordered a new stem.. i really would like to get new brake pads in so i could start hauling a** :D

The Kool-Stop Nashbar carries won't work for you - you need something with a threaded stem. I've been happy buying old-school Dia-Compe shoes at my LBS for a few bucks a pair, but I think these would also work, if you're set on Nashbar:
http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=69&subcategory=1015&brand=&sku=10808&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=

Anything that says it'll work with caliper brakes will do just fine.

-chris

The Ritchey pads may work, but they are designed for "linear pull" otherwise known as v-brakes. There is a chance that they will be too thick to fit properly on an old center pull brakeset. The two I suggested are designed for caliper brakes, and the Aztecs are even the same blocky squared off shape as the original Dia Compe pads, which (as brokenrobot said) may be available cheaply from your LBS.

Loose Screws

http://www.thethirdhand.com/index.cgi?d=single&c=Brake&sc=Shoes/Pads&tc=Road&item_id=DC-B76B&id=43327345110

$7 for a bag of 4. They've replaced a set on my early 70's Raleigh (centerpull) and mid 80's Peugoet (sidepull). Work good. Grab a couple bags.

The Ritchey pads may work, but they are designed for "linear pull" otherwise known as v-brakes.

Whoops, on second look you're absolutely right! Redfooj, listen to the demon and not the robot on this one ;)

-chris

My 2 cents...

Avoid Kool-Stops for these brakes. In my experience, lower-quality brakes like this can't handle the stopping power of the pad and will exhibit excessive flex.

You may end up having to toe-in the pads at a crazy angle to avoid squealing.

Also, unless the pivots have zero play you will also have problems. When I worked in a LBS we almost always had to use a generic pad similar to what's in the picture there.

My 2 cents...

Avoid Kool-Stops for these brakes. In my experience, lower-quality brakes like this can't handle the stopping power of the pad and will exhibit excessive flex.


I'm not sure this makes sense. If a brake caliper can't handle the stopping power of one particular pad, it can't handle the stopping power of any pad.

Presumably, Kool Stops are so grabby that the caliper has excessive flex. However if the brake pad is indeed that grabby, wouldn't the user modulate the braking so that the brake pad doesn't grab so vigorously? In other words, the user doesn't need to squeeze as hard.

Similarly, wouldn't these brakes flex just as much using a generic brake shoe. If the rider wants stopping ability comparable to Kool Stops, the brake caliper has to grab the rim just as much, presumably taking more squeezing on the brake lever and just as much flexing of the brake caliper.

FWIW, if those are aluminum rims, just about any generic brake shoe with threaded post will work OK. Several of my bikes fall into this category, and I get satisfactory performance from the $1.50 pair sold at the local hardware store. (I actually got mine cheaper from a mail order outfit, but they're the same as the bubble packed hardware store versions.) The salmon colored Kool Stops are indeed highly regarded by folks like Sheldon Brown and Jobst Brandt for several reasons. The only set I have are on a older bike with steel rims, where they clearly offer better performance over other types.

I'm not sure this makes sense. If a brake caliper can't handle the stopping power of one particular pad, it can't handle the stopping power of any pad.


Low end pads don't have the gripping power as Kool-Stops therefore there's less brake flex. You're right though, he won't have the same stopping power.

Example... black threaded Kool-Stops are grippier than stock Dura-Ace "8-speed" pads. the K-S pads cause my aluminum forks to flex under braking more than the DA pads do but... I can stop quicker but the visible effect on the fork is a little spooky.

Another example... low-end MTB brakes (the stamped steel ones with sloppy pivots) don't work well with the K-S MTB black pads due to pivot play and the extreme flex in the brake arm. You usually have to use a less grippy generic pad or the customer will complain about the noise and/or vibration.