Mountain Biking - What No HONE??! Well here you go

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TimB
03-10-04, 06:03 AM
http://www.bikemagic.com/news/images/shimano_hone_sml.jpg


The big news is the all-new Hone group. It's pitched as an "enduro" group, taking some of the heavy-duty ideas from the Saint freeride/DH components and mixing them with more XCish stuff. If you're into proper big stuff then you're meant to use Saint, if you want light weight then XT should be your choice. Hone is the inbetweeny all-rounder and should therefore be a popular choice - lots of people are inbetweeny all-rounders too... It'll also be cheaper than either Saint or XT, being pitched somewhere vaguely around LX pricing.

Cranks are Hollowtech II, as seen on XTR, XT and Saint - they're not as massive as the Saint ones but meatier than the XT ones. The rear mech shares Saint's axle-end mounting for better damage resistance. It's a great idea although it slows wheel removal (not really a big deal for the intended application) and the rear mech floats around if you take the wheel out to put the bike in the car...

Brakes are hydraulic discs, naturally. 203mm rotors are standard with 160mm as an option. They're Center Lock splined items, compatible with existing XT/XTR splines. Saint uses a bigger front spline to clear a 20mm axle, so Hone offers a possible rotor size upgrade path for XT/XTR users. It's interesting that Shimano are offering a 203mm rotor on a regular front hub, given the rarity of forks warrantied for such a combination. We'd still like to see 180mm-ish rotors from Shimano, particularly on a group like Hone pitched at the big-terrain but not necessarily World Cup DH terrain rider.

The brake calipers are superficially similar to XT and Saint although the Hone units are two-piece calipers for reduced cost. A variety of front mechs are available - BB mount, top swing, bottom swing - and Dual Control shifter/brake levers are standard issue.

It looks like good stuff, and we like where Shimano are positioning Hone. It won't be available until November, though, so we'll have to see how it stacks up in real life. More pics below...



all text and image courtesy of www.bikemagic.com


math2p14
03-10-04, 08:33 AM
Another useless shimano item...

FR stuff with rapidrise? no thanks.
Rear mech that needs specific hubs/rotors/brakes/levers? again no thans.

SRAM....hippy

slcpunk21
03-10-04, 08:47 AM
Another useless shimano item...

FR stuff with rapidrise? no thanks.
Rear mech that needs specific hubs/rotors/brakes/levers? again no thans.

SRAM....hippy

Well it isn't actually FR stuff, it's more trail oriented. And yes it proprietary, but I'm honestly sick of hearing this damb argument about shimano sucks yadda yadda. And I'm not a shimano fan.. but give it up already people shimano is making it and people will buy it. Let em buy it, that's why there are different companies so you can buy what YOU want! So go buy it and freakin stop arguing about something that unfortunately isn't going away.


math2p14
03-10-04, 10:42 AM
Shimano doesnt suck by any standards my friend. They produce good stuff. What i dont like is the proprietary nature of the new gruppos, plus the monopolistic behavior of shimano against SRAM.

TimB
03-11-04, 01:34 AM
errrrrrrr isn't 1:1 ratio proprietry??
Integration is merely a way of ensuring system performance for those who don't know how to spec their own bike .
Also, Shimano is still making rapidfire+ shifter pods and ithey've just been updated for this year's OEM supply. Xt brake levers M750 will also be available for those who want to run their bikes the old way.

2 different systems, 2 choices, that a bit more than SRAM offer.

Monopolistic attitude toward SRAm probably stems from SRAM stealing Shimano ideas and infringing on patents and getting away with it.

stronger arguement please, this emotional banter blah di blah blah is tiring.

math2p14
03-11-04, 02:11 AM
errrrrrrr isn't 1:1 ratio proprietry??
Integration is merely a way of ensuring system performance for those who don't know how to spec their own bike .
Also, Shimano is still making rapidfire+ shifter pods and ithey've just been updated for this year's OEM supply. Xt brake levers M750 will also be available for those who want to run their bikes the old way.

2 different systems, 2 choices, that a bit more than SRAM offer.

Monopolistic attitude toward SRAm probably stems from SRAM stealing Shimano ideas and infringing on patents and getting away with it.

stronger arguement please, this emotional banter blah di blah blah is tiring.

1-1 ratio is proprietary, that is why SRAM produces stuff in 1-2 ratio as well. It is quite funny, because if SRAM is stealing ideas, then she is stealing them from someone (shimano) that doesnt own them. Luckily , justice didnt favor shimano...

I am very happy to hear that XT 750 stuff is still beeing made, since i am totally satisfied with my XT 755 discs, perfect product.

a2psyklnut
03-11-04, 08:29 AM
Guys, I don't want to propogate another Shimano/Sram debate.

We've done this time and time again. Let's agree to disagree. Some of us like Shimano, some Sram.

If this diatribe continues, the thread is gonna close.

I hate to flex my Moderator muscles, but enough is enough with this bickering.

Let's discuss the finer points of the new Propedal suspension.

L8R