Training & Nutrition - Left leg injury

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It's not possible for me to have sprained/strained/pulled my gluteus maximus, iliotibial band, and hamstring muscles all at once is it?
Yes, I'm planning to see a Dr very soon.
:eek:
Yes. That's the look on MY face every time I climb the stairs, descend the stairs, get into and out of my car, get into and out of a chair, bend over to pick something up, etc. etc.
Thulsadoom
10-07-08, 07:20 PM
Yes, it's absolutely possible. What happened?
dark13star
10-07-08, 07:37 PM
Sorry to say, it is. Did you slide on ice or something wet?
I'm in a "How to Teach Physical Education" class, and last Thursday we were going through various ways to teach "court sports", starting with fast side-to-side running/shuffling with lots of quick stops and starts ... three or four steps to one side, stop, three or four steps to the other side, as fast as we could. Then we mixed it up with lunging here and there. And finally we added a ball to the mix, and played several fast and energetic versions of handball with partners.
We did this for over an hour.
When I left the class, I was already in mild pain ... which I thought was a little odd because DOMS doesn't usually set in until the next day.
Nevertheless, despite the fact that I was in some pain, and my left knee had started giving out on me, I rode a century on Saturday.
Now I'm in serious pain, and my left knee feels very weak.
We were back in the gym again today, learning and playing a version of lacrosse ... I could barely run (and stopped trying after a couple attempts), and leaning down to pick up the ball when I dropped it was agony!
dark13star
10-07-08, 07:58 PM
At least it doesn't seem like it was a single traumatic tear, but probably a series of strains. You should still probably see a Dr, and no centuries this weekend :eek:
No, there won't be any centuries this coming weekend ... I don't think there will even be any metric centuries!! :D
I'm debating if I should try stretching or if that might make it worse.
I'm going to try to see a Sports Dr at the University on Friday ... unless there's a dramatic improvement by then.
dark13star
10-07-08, 09:24 PM
I wouldn't stretch while the pain is acute. I have made that mistake too many times and worsened injuries. It is tempting, and sometimes it feels you can just work it out, but you need to rest it. I am no Dr, not medical at least, but I have had plenty of injuries.
valygrl
10-07-08, 10:15 PM
Oh, injuries suck, sorry to hear it. No advice except the obvious rest/ice/advil combo. HOpe it heals fast.
Thulsadoom
10-08-08, 05:27 AM
Might've been the lunges. Those can really tear you up if you over do it.
No, there won't be any centuries this coming weekend ... I don't think there will even be any metric centuries!! :D
I'm debating if I should try stretching or if that might make it worse.
I'm going to try to see a Sports Dr at the University on Friday ... unless there's a dramatic improvement by then.
Excellent idea. It'd be good to rule out any kind of back problems, as well.
See, I think part of the problem is that my hamstrings have all the flexibility and stretch of a 2x4. I am one of the least flexible people I know.
So, if a flexible person was doing what I was doing, that person may not have had any problems at all ... but because my muscles have no natural give .... I suspect they "gave" in an unnatural, and extremely uncomfortable, way.
I've been off the bicycle for 2 days now. :(
Thulsadoom
10-09-08, 05:00 AM
[QUOTE=Machka;7629779]See, I think part of the problem is that my hamstrings have all the flexibility and stretch of a 2x4. I am one of the least flexible people I know.
QUOTE]
You know, I used to say that same thing. It was when I was riding 200-300 miles a week as well. I had constant back, knee, and shoulder pain and injuries. Then I started making a serious attempt to loosen up, especially my hamstrings. I usually spend at least 15 minutes a day, while watching TV, stretching. And I stretch my lower back and hamstrings many times a day. It took many months, but gradually I began to stretch everything out, and it has made a huge difference. I exercise everyday, but I have incorporated jogging and weights into my routines. I have lots of aches and pains, but very few actual injuries that I can't work around.
Personally, I tend to believe that cycling tends to tighten up the hamstrings. You don't get a full stretch at the bottom of the stroke, and the body is always in a crouched position. Therefore, you have to stretch those suckers out a lot when you're not riding, or they'll tighten up and pull everything out of whack.
So it turns out I've strained my hamstring and glutes ... but my ITB isn't too bad. My lower back muscles also tightened right up, and my left leg, which is usually slightly longer than my right is now shorter.
No ... for now just rest and mild stretching and, of course ibuprofen. But nothing that will continue to tear the muscle in any way. If I do ride my bicycle, I'm supposed to ice the hamstring after the ride to take down the swelling.
Plus I can't find a foam roller.
dark13star
10-09-08, 08:41 PM
You can order foam rollers online, but you are correct to rest it first. I have a roller that I use on my ITB. It is put mediaeval torture.
Rolling pin and tennis ball for the glutes then instead of foam roller. Girls have way weaker hamstrings than boys in the first place. This is what accounts for that dreaded knee injury in soccer when girls land on one leg. Cycling does little to increase hamstring strength.
cyclezen
10-10-08, 11:17 PM
I'm in a "How to Teach Physical Education" class, and last Thursday we were going through various ways to teach "court sports", starting with fast side-to-side running/shuffling with lots of quick stops and starts ... three or four steps to one side, stop, three or four steps to the other side, as fast as we could. Then we mixed it up with lunging here and there. And finally we added a ball to the mix, and played several fast and energetic versions of handball with partners.
We did this for over an hour.
When I left the class, I was already in mild pain ... which I thought was a little odd because DOMS doesn't usually set in until the next day.
Nevertheless, despite the fact that I was in some pain, and my left knee had started giving out on me, I rode a century on Saturday.
Now I'm in serious pain, and my left knee feels very weak.
We were back in the gym again today, learning and playing a version of lacrosse ... I could barely run (and stopped trying after a couple attempts), and leaning down to pick up the ball when I dropped it was agony!
i mean, GURL! did you read what you wrote? i mean, do you pay much attention to what your body is speakin?
i mean, a century AFTER you've already had early warning signs of being nuked? and then you go back right back at it again in another gym session?
1st, be happy if it truly proves to be just strained muscles.
knee pain, particularly in just straight flexion or extension often is a sign of sciatic issues. Sciatic issues also exhibit in what seem to be Hamstring and Glut problems. If you're getting knee sensation when you bend over, then it could very well be some nerve damage.
1st, give it a rest and get to a solid diagnosis of what you're really sufferin under.
DON'T do the foam roller/tenneyball/rollinpin thing until you're sure of what it is. All that 'rollin' on pins will do further huge damage if you really have done nerve damage at any level.
on the point of flexibility. If you really are as inflexible as you say/claim you are; you really should pay attention to improving that in as major a fashion as you're able to. Good 'flexilibity' goes a long way to reducing the chance of injury and also reducing the degree of injury when something does happens. As age creeps up, flexibility will decrease, unless you pay more attention to retaining as much as possible.
If you're a 2x4 now, imagine what it'll be like when you're 50 and then 60, 70 (if you get that far).
Yes, us old folks don;t have as much strength as we did, nor as much endurance, nor as much aerobic fitness, but what really gets us an knocks us down for the count is 'Inflexibilty'. It may be the number 1 cause of self-inflicted injury in old tards! So get more supple, more resilient, NOW!
and finally, GROK the difference between sore and 'hurt'. even 'sore' should ring the attention bell.
BTW, howz the shoulder?
i mean, GURL! did you read what you wrote? i mean, do you pay much attention to what your body is speakin?
i mean, a century AFTER you've already had early warning signs of being nuked? and then you go back right back at it again in another gym session?
I'm a randonneur ... various portions of my anatomy hurt on long rides, and I just keep riding through it. Most of the time the pain goes away.
1st, be happy if it truly proves to be just strained muscles.
knee pain, particularly in just straight flexion or extension often is a sign of sciatic issues. Sciatic issues also exhibit in what seem to be Hamstring and Glut problems. If you're getting knee sensation when you bend over, then it could very well be some nerve damage.
It's not sciatic ... I've had sciatic issues before, and this is quite different. My knee weakness only happened when descending stairs, and hasn't happened at all for a couple days now, so I think the knee is improving.
on the point of flexibility. If you really are as inflexible as you say/claim you are; you really should pay attention to improving that in as major a fashion as you're able to. Good 'flexilibity' goes a long way to reducing the chance of injury and also reducing the degree of injury when something does happens. As age creeps up, flexibility will decrease, unless you pay more attention to retaining as much as possible.
If you're a 2x4 now, imagine what it'll be like when you're 50 and then 60, 70 (if you get that far).
Yes, us old folks don;t have as much strength as we did, nor as much endurance, nor as much aerobic fitness, but what really gets us an knocks us down for the count is 'Inflexibilty'. It may be the number 1 cause of self-inflicted injury in old tards! So get more supple, more resilient, NOW!
I am that inflexible, and I have tried to improve that from time to time ... I've attended two yoga classes, which helped, I do try to stretch now and then. But I've always been this inflexible. Even as a child I could never touch my toes, for example. And I'm not that far off 50 now.
and finally, GROK the difference between sore and 'hurt'. even 'sore' should ring the attention bell.
GROK? And this hurt ... the hamstring muscles still hurt but the rest has been downgraded to sore.
BTW, howz the shoulder?
Sore ... and it is still dislocating regularly. Although apparently it is getting a little stronger.
cyclezen
10-15-08, 10:35 PM
I'm a randonneur ... various portions of my anatomy hurt on long rides, and I just keep riding through it. Most of the time the pain goes away.
It's not sciatic ... I've had sciatic issues before, and this is quite different. My knee weakness only happened when descending stairs, and hasn't happened at all for a couple days now, so I think the knee is improving.
I am that inflexible, and I have tried to improve that from time to time ... I've attended two yoga classes, which helped, I do try to stretch now and then. But I've always been this inflexible. Even as a child I could never touch my toes, for example. And I'm not that far off 50 now.
GROK? And this hurt ... the hamstring muscles still hurt but the rest has been downgraded to sore.
Sore ... and it is still dislocating regularly. Although apparently it is getting a little stronger.
My comment was mostly to hilight, not the cycling, but your other activities, which not as frequently done as your cycling, added to what was already an injury situation, could/might/would have exacerbated what you had already injured...
Flexibility - if you really have flexibility issues, then even more reason to pay attention to them. There's no way but up/better. And if you really are gettin close to 50ish (whatever 'close' might be) then all the more to jump on that 'program' now.
I mean, everything gets better when we're more flexible...
Easy to write off and just say "I'm just not flexible". Truth is improvement actually comes quickly with some steady diet of stretching, yoga, pilates, whatever might suit you.
GROK - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok
OK, a little overboard - but Heinlein's intent is a bit beyond how it is commonly used these days - more like "I really understand that!" kinda meaning...
Glad to hear the shoulder is improving - you staying with any PT program you got for the injury recovery?
...happens I'm sortta in the same boat - again - also. In Feb I got into a mishap where I ended up landing onto a large metal bike rack - separated shoulder :( wish I had broken something
instead, now the ligaments which hold the right collarbone down to the shoulder are stretch and it sticks up at least and inch. Doc says no real chance of 'recovery' as in the retraction of the collarbone, unless I want to chance surgury - NO THANKS! So I'm slowly regaining strength, and resolved that I'm gonna get back most of the pre-injury function. But I'm wussin out too often on doin the exercises regularly. I need to take my own advise :bang:
anyway, hope it all works out better for both of us...
Road Fan
10-18-08, 05:43 AM
So it turns out I've strained my hamstring and glutes ... but my ITB isn't too bad. My lower back muscles also tightened right up, and my left leg, which is usually slightly longer than my right is now shorter.
Sorry for the late arrival, and I'd be surprised if you're not better by now, but it really sounds like a lower back strain that radiates, but not involving disks/nerves, since you don't have any numbness or radiating to the feet. I had this muscular thing after being off the bike for three weeks, then taking out a bike I had not ridden for over a year to go for groceries, and I was not into how to keep my back straight on that bike. I had lower back muscle strain almost immediatly. Later in the day the ache spread to my right glute and both thighs. The turnaround was when I took a day off at home and practiced lying on my back (alignment training?) and core tightening. Since then I've been able to do back stretching and now some pedaling again, and on the road back to the road.
Arnie Baker's book tipped me off that it was probably not disk/spine related.
Road Fan
10-18-08, 05:48 AM
So it turns out I've strained my hamstring and glutes ... but my ITB isn't too bad. My lower back muscles also tightened right up, and my left leg, which is usually slightly longer than my right is now shorter.
Sorry for the late arrival, and I'd be surprised if you're not better by now, but it really sounds like a lower back strain that radiates, but not involving disks/nerves, since you don't have any numbness or radiating to the feet. I had this muscular thing after being off the bike for three weeks, then taking out a bike I had not ridden for over a year to go for groceries, and I was not into how to keep my back straight on that bike. I had lower back muscle strain almost immediatly. Later in the day the ache spread to my right glute and both thighs. The turnaround was when I took a day off at home and practiced lying on my back (alignment training?) and core tightening. Since then I've been able to do back stretching and now some pedaling again, and on the road back to the road.
Arnie Baker's book tipped me off that it was probably not disk/spine related. I think the fact that I haven't had any sciatic-like pain confirms it.
Road Fan
10-18-08, 05:54 AM
Sheesh! Need a brain tune, not just a back tune! Sorry abou the double post, folks!
Machka, it sounds like you are extremely well tuned for cycling to the possible detriment of other body motion types. Same with me since getting off the sofa and back in the saddle a while back. I have very high confidence moving in ways that use my strength, and have learned to go carefully in trying to play any sports, or even chasing a Frisbee. Those systems, not just the muscles but the tendons and all that supports the joints, are just not up to where my legs and glutes are. Stretching has helped, but I need more. I'm in my '50s, so tendon issues are more common.
My mouse-ing muscles are tres hot, tho!!!
peter_d
10-20-08, 12:23 PM
I would guess that the problem originated with your tight hamstrings. I have the same problem and its led to various degrees of knee, glute and lower back pain over the years. Cycling may not do much to strengthen hamstrings but it does seem to tighten them. Hopefully good physio will help. I keep meaning to try yoga classes to try loosening up, much more of an issue now that i'm getting older.
Flexibility - if you really have flexibility issues, then even more reason to pay attention to them. There's no way but up/better. And if you really are gettin close to 50ish (whatever 'close' might be) then all the more to jump on that 'program' now.
I mean, everything gets better when we're more flexible...
Easy to write off and just say "I'm just not flexible". Truth is improvement actually comes quickly with some steady diet of stretching, yoga, pilates, whatever might suit you.
I've been in three yoga classes ... the winter of 2003, spring of 2004, and winter of 2005 ... and they helped. My flexibility improved during the classes, especially with the first two. But since then I haven't had the time to take a class, and I don't have the room to do yoga to my DVDs.
Glad to hear the shoulder is improving - you staying with any PT program you got for the injury recovery?
...happens I'm sortta in the same boat - again - also. In Feb I got into a mishap where I ended up landing onto a large metal bike rack - separated shoulder :( wish I had broken something
instead, now the ligaments which hold the right collarbone down to the shoulder are stretch and it sticks up at least and inch. Doc says no real chance of 'recovery' as in the retraction of the collarbone, unless I want to chance surgury - NO THANKS! So I'm slowly regaining strength, and resolved that I'm gonna get back most of the pre-injury function. But I'm wussin out too often on doin the exercises regularly. I need to take my own advise :bang:
anyway, hope it all works out better for both of us...
I've gone from PT to a chiropractor for my shoulder. At first, my shoulder was just separated, but hauling heavy books around it a backpack encouraged it to become dislocated ... and now it dislocates regularly, and my chiropractor pops it back in regularly. But I'm supposed to be doing weights to build up my muscles because my ligaments are too stretched to hold the shoulder in place. However, I'm not so good with things I'm "supposed to do" ... so I do the weights rather intermittently.
I hope your recovery continues well! These things seem to take forever to heal.
Machka, it sounds like you are extremely well tuned for cycling to the possible detriment of other body motion types.
Yep!!
And I'm still recovering. The leg/hip feel some better, but definitely not 100% yet. Fortunately we have not had a gym class in the gym for a little while, which has given me time to recover a bit.
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