Southern California - 500-mile bike network for San Diego!!

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sojourn
10-17-08, 09:21 AM
I hope it's paved so all cyclists can utilize it!!

http://nctimes.com/articles/2008/10/16/news/sandiego/z42226887aa7af00a882574e200666a3d.txt

A proposed 500-mile regional bike network of continuous, connected paths would allow cyclists to ride all over San Diego County without stopping and in relative safety, away from much faster and bigger motor vehicles.

The preliminary proposal, drawn up by the San Diego Association of Governments, a regional planning agency, after meetings with cyclists over the last several months, will be rolled out at a pair of public workshops next week, including one in North County.

In North County, the plan calls for extending the bike path along the San Luis Rey River in Oceanside east to Interstate 15, completing the Coastal Rail Trail along the Coaster tracks, further developing the Inland Rail Trail along the Sprinter line and building a path south from San Marcos along Twin Oaks Valley Road, among other projects.

A bikeway in the I-15 corridor is planned, incorporating the lanes striped on Old Highway 395 and building bike paths in Rancho Bernardo and Poway that tie into the bicycle bridge under construction over Lake Hodges.

"People don't stop biking once they hit the city limit," said Kathy Keehan of Rancho Bernardo, executive director for the San Diego County Bicycle Coalition. "People are biking all over the county and they need to be able to connect all over the county."

The meetings are set for 6 to 8 p.m. Tuesday at the Carlsbad Senior Center, 799 Pine St., and for 6 to 8 p.m. Wednesday at the Hall of Champions Sports Museum in Balboa Park, near downtown San Diego.

After getting more feedback from the public and from elected officials, association planners expect to refine their proposed plan and take it to the agency board for adoption in March or April.

So far, the plan seems to be headed in the right direction, said Howard La Grange, chairman of the Oceanside bicycle committee.

"When you talk to cyclists on the road, one of their biggest concerns is safety," La Grange said. "They're always concerned about being hit from behind. And with the high gas prices, we've seen a lot more cyclists on the road."

But as the plan is rolled out, La Grange said, he hopes the association will push for completion of the North County system, particularly the crucial Oceanside portion of the Inland Rail Trail where a narrow right of way is making progress slow.

Chris Kluth, pedestrian and bicycle program manager for the agency, said the final plan will contain about 30 proposed bike path projects. He said was unclear how much those projects will cost or how the region will pay them, but that the $280 million set aside in the recent TransNet sales tax measure for cycling projects will be a primary source of funding.

The association has just completed a plan. Details are available at www.sandag.org/bicycleplan.

Keehan, who has been working with the agency on the strategy, said the region needs to close the numerous gaps in the existing system. Too often, she said, people ride for short stretches, only to have paths disappear abruptly.

"It's as if we built a couple miles of I-5 and then left a gap ---- and then started up again," Keehan said.

The association is proposing a variety of bicycle-travel facilities, including some unconventional ones.

About half of the facilities, totaling 265 miles, would be so-called Class I bike paths that are physically separated from motor vehicles by concrete barriers or strips of landscape. Those tend to be favored most by cyclists.

"But we can't do that everywhere," Kluth said. "There is not enough room."

So the agency also is proposing something called a "cycle track" and a "bicycle boulevard."

The cycle track, like the bike path, separates cars and bikes. But it incorporates the track into an existing roadway and does not require additional land. The idea is to have one-way tracks for bikes on either side of a street, and to separate those from vehicle traffic by raised concrete barriers.

Keehan is wary of the cycle track because, she said, it is not as safe as the bike path.

"While I think it's an interesting idea, and maybe something we want to experiment with, I'm not sure we want to do 74 miles of them in San Diego County," she said.

The association also is proposing 30 miles of bicycle boulevards. Those are residential streets shared by cars and bikes that rely on traffic circles, stop signs and narrow lanes to slow down vehicles.

The preliminary plan calls for about 135 miles of striped bike lanes on streets.


Garfield Cat
10-17-08, 10:14 AM
I can imagine that a lot of So Cal riders will even pack their bikes in their SUV's and make it a long weekend in San Diego. Vacationers from all over the country will be here to experience this. The local economy will get a bump up in activity.

sojourn
10-17-08, 11:23 AM
It opens the possibility of me commuting to work on occasion, although it would be extreme commuting. 30+ miles one way from North County to Kearny..........


reversegear
10-17-08, 11:52 AM
One would think, given that we have the best weather on the planet, with fantastic ocean views that a safe bike route down the coast would be a strong tourist draw. Restaurants, hotels etc. would benefit greatly from this. Many outside the cycle touring community are not aware of the effective demand. Given the amount of hype that some cities put out to attract tourists, you would think that they would be concerned about the Southern Californians that spend thousands in Europe to go cycle touring. Why are there not more Southern Californian cycle tourists – because local governments can not or will not get the funding to make cycling safe.

A cycle tour from Los Angeles to San Diego is a natural. The route that exists at this time has some very dangerous gaps and I know that danger keeps many from riding it. The cost of fixing these gaps versus the tax revenue that could be gained, I believe, is not the money loser that many local governments think it is.

There are so many good reasons to create and fund such a project it is a shame that cycling transportation infrastructure is so far down on the list of projects. Many communities have “plans” but let’s see what actually gets funded and built. As far as San Diego’s plan goes, I hope it gets built, but I am not going to hold my breath.

TRaffic Jammer
10-17-08, 11:58 AM
If there was a safe tour down the coast I'd so bring the family to California, what a vacation that would be!!!! It is after all, IMHO, one of the most beautiful coasts in the world. Now if only it would stop burning every summer.

Brandy
10-17-08, 02:43 PM
I can imagine that a lot of So Cal riders will even pack their bikes in their SUV's and make it a long weekend in San Diego. Vacationers from all over the country will be here to experience this. The local economy will get a bump up in activity.

Really? I don't think so. I also think it will breed the "you belong on the path, not the street" mentality and attitude among drivers, possibly making the streets less safe for cyclists. I don't think that road cyclists will utilize this as you're saying. It might get more "normal folks" out and riding, but I wouldn't go down to ride on them.

furiousferret
10-17-08, 02:52 PM
Good for San Diego. I agree with Brandy to an extent, and I also think too many mups get inundated with pedestrians. In OC and SB counties we have the SART, so its not really something I would do unless its right on the coast with no pedestrians.

Dubbayoo
10-17-08, 04:17 PM
I'd ride them if I lived there, but I would not drive down for them. I drive to the river trails, but 45 minutes is as far as I'll go.

blue_nose
10-17-08, 04:26 PM
Anything that encourages more people to commute by bike is a positive. When you contrast other cities like Amsterdam and Copenhagen to SD, it is quite pathetic when you consider how few people commute to work via a bike. Granted many people live quite far to travel by bike, but I work with quite a few people that live within 10 miles of the office who think that I am nuts to cycle to work each way.

furiousferret
10-17-08, 05:25 PM
Anything that encourages more people to commute by bike is a positive. When you contrast other cities like Amsterdam and Copenhagen to SD, it is quite pathetic when you consider how few people commute to work via a bike. Granted many people live quite far to travel by bike, but I work with quite a few people that live within 10 miles of the office who think that I am nuts to cycle to work each way.

For me it was always the showering thing; I wont ride then just jump into work. I'd have to shower and pre stage my clothes there as well.

Nachoman
10-17-08, 06:31 PM
Mission Bay, for example, has many miles of beautiful bike paths. But you rarely see hard core cyclists there because of the walkers, skaters, strollers, and beach cruisers.

Brandy
10-17-08, 06:47 PM
For me it was always the showering thing; I wont ride then just jump into work. I'd have to shower and pre stage my clothes there as well.

It's not that hard...the pre-staging the clothes. If you really want to commute, you make it work. ;) I only work p/t so I drive in on Wednesday and bring clothes for Thurs/Fri. I leave my car at work and ride home Wednesday night, both ways on Thurs and in on Friday.

As for the shower thing...baby wipes! I work in a corporate office and unless people see me ride in, or in my kit, they'd have no clue I've commuted. I clean up nicely. :p

sreeb
10-18-08, 12:16 AM
Anything that encourages more people to commute by bike is a positive. When you contrast other cities like Amsterdam and Copenhagen to SD, it is quite pathetic when you consider how few people commute to work via a bike. Granted many people live quite far to travel by bike, but I work with quite a few people that live within 10 miles of the office who think that I am nuts to cycle to work each way.

It isn't the distance. It is the canyons. Amsterdam and Copenhagen are flat as a table. You have to be in pretty decent shape to make most SD commutes possible at any speed. It is a big barrier to starting.

Garfield Cat
10-18-08, 08:30 AM
There's a bike path from Ventura to Ojai. I was told by the bike shop guys in Ojai that the property once belonged to a rail road company and was donated to a non profit for the purpose of the path. That's what I would like to see at least in some parts of San Diego County.

Chucklehead
10-18-08, 10:21 AM
Really? I don't think so. I also think it will breed the "you belong on the path, not the street" mentality and attitude among drivers, possibly making the streets less safe for cyclists. I don't think that road cyclists will utilize this as you're saying. It might get more "normal folks" out and riding, but I wouldn't go down to ride on them.

You have to remember, though, that most people who aren't cyclist don't even know that actual dedicated bike paths exist. You'd be amazed when I tell new riders that a good place to learn to ride around here is the San Luis Rey river trail. "What's that?"