Bicycle Mechanics - New Bike came with no kickstand...?

Hey all, Im a college kid and ordered up a Mongoose crossway 450. It came and I had to put it together which went well and all, but there was no kickstand, nor any place to put one it seems... is there some special way to install a kickstand on this bike or is it a simple snap on thing, or what?

Thanks a ton for all your help!


~G

http://cgi.ebay.com/Greenfield-ATB--Bicycle-KICKSTAND,-goes-on-REAR-FRAME.-_W0QQitemZ260298946384QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20081012?IMSfp=TL081012104005r36472

Something like that may work for you.

Go to any bike shop and buy a kickstand. Should be $10 or less. Then follow these instructions.
http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-install-a-kickstand-on-your-bicycle/

The problem with kickstands is that, when you use them, you're locking your bike to nothing. If you're in a low-theft area, that's OK, but otherwise, you might consider that low-end bikes get stolen a lot.

A further problem with kickstands is that they're useless for more serious cyclists. Just lean the bike up or put it in a stand...no use for a kickstand. Last kickstand I wanted was when I was 14. Haven't missed them in the intervening 38 years...

A further problem with kickstands is that they're useless for more serious cyclists. Just lean the bike up or put it in a stand...no use for a kickstand. Last kickstand I wanted was when I was 14. Haven't missed them in the intervening 38 years...
Thanks, I didn't know I was not a "serious" cyclist, it's always good to know these things. Or am I only serious sometimes, since two of my bikes have kickstands and the other six do not?

Don't mind the above posters who put down kickstands. If you want a kickstand, go ahead and put one on. They can be very beneficial. My touring/grocery bike has a kickstand. It comes in very handy when loading up the panniers with my groceries. My bad weather/dog walker bike also has a kickstand. It also comes in handy when walking the dog. At times, there is nothing to lean the bike on, but I must get off to clean up after she has done her business.

As you can see, having/wanting a kickstand will tarnish your image in the eyes of the "cool" cyclists. Notwithstanding that, it won't hurt to try and get by without a kickstand for a few days, and then decide which way works best for you.

I am not a serious cyclist. I enjoy putting my kickstand down without leaning it against something. Someday, I hope to become a serious cyclist and remove my kickstand. Maybe then I'll start riding less than everyday. :)

Each tool has the proper application. :50:

http://www.biketrailershop.com/catalog/images/esge_kickstand3.jpg

Alternative (http://www.click-stand.com/Home_Page.html)

http://www.click-stand.com/images/biketomsbeforetour2_ti6u_h7fv.png

need a kick stand or not, you would be wise to chain or cable lock it to something that want move or you will become a walker not a rider
just my opinion:thumb:

The problem with kickstands is that, when you use them, you're locking your bike to nothing. If you're in a low-theft area, that's OK, but otherwise, you might consider that low-end bikes get stolen a lot.

Sorry, I'm missing something here. How does a kickstand inhibit ones ability to properly lock up a bike?


A further problem with kickstands is that they're useless for more serious cyclists. Just lean the bike up or put it in a stand...no use for a kickstand. Last kickstand I wanted was when I was 14. Haven't missed them in the intervening 38 years...

Is there a document that defines serious cyclist? I may only have amateur ranking but there are plenty of opportunities where I'd have liked a kickstand on the touring bike(s).

Even my bike like the kickstand. No more laying in the mud or sand, or up against rough trees or bricks. It smiled as I was tightening the bolt!

But, then again, I'm not serious. I only ride 30 - 50 miles every day, and only try to use it for everything I can.

Maybe someday-------------

I hear kickstands that mount near the rear of then chainstay can bend the frame over time. Immagine the force you would exert on the frame at this one point if you tried to hold the bike upright by the chainstay.

The problem with kickstands is that, when you use them, you're locking your bike to nothing. If you're in a low-theft area, that's OK, but otherwise, you might consider that low-end bikes get stolen a lot.

Huh? I use my kickstand all the time, even when I'm locking it to things. Just because someone us using a kickstand doesn't mean they're not locking it to something solid? Your statement makes no sense whatsoever.

Huh? I use my kickstand all the time, even when I'm locking it to things. Just because someone us using a kickstand doesn't mean they're not locking it to something solid? Your statement makes no sense whatsoever.

Minumum lock size = most secure. Thus percludes having your bike in a position where the kickstand would be of any use whatsoever. I have never once been out riding and went, gee I wish I had a kickstand now.

No clue what your bike is, but after you put on that kickstand, try not to go airborne. If the kick stand flops out, you could injure yourself. I've seen it happen and I find it pretty funny.

Is there a document that defines serious cyclist? I may only have amateur ranking but there are plenty of opportunities where I'd have liked a kickstand on the touring bike(s).

It's just a loose term, used to describe someone who rides alot, or rides fast, or has alot of bikes, or has one really expensive bike....take your pick.

Let's look at myself and another fellow cyclist, Bob (his name really is Bob).

I'm 39, fit, thin, own 4 bikes (soon to be 5), ride fast, ride often (4000km/year), wear the spandex and the like. None of my bikes have a kickstand.

Bob is 56, pudgy around the middle, owns 1 bike (with a kickstand), rides alot, rides slow, but his rides are no more than 40km and he even has started his own cycling club - www.nsramblers.ca. Bob is also well known in the cycling circles around here and is a VP of Bicycle Nova Scotia. Well, Bobby boy has over 6000km so far this year. Is he a 'serious' cyclist? In my eyes, yes. He said to me one time, "I ride to eat...that's why I ride." :D

I think that 'serious' is best used to describe someone who lives, eats and breathes cycling. Myself and Bob are 'serious' cyclists.

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Being a cycling safety instructor (CAN-BIKE), I tell students that the one thing that typically falls off of a bike are kickstands, so remove them. But that typically applies to 'non-serious' cyclists. :rolleyes: That being said, if you are diligent about making sure your bike is in proper working order and the bolts, nuts, screws are properly tightened, then by all means, if you want one and find it convenient, use a kickstand.

If you don't want a kickstand (like me), then by all means, don't put one on your bike.

Do I think less of Bob because he has a kickstand? No. I hold Bob in high regard.

Do I poke fun at Bob because he has a kickstand? Well...I poke fun at him, but not because he has a kickstand. Hmmm, but maybe I'll start....

LOL, I like my bike to stand up when I let go of it, that's why I use a kickstand.

Huh? I use my kickstand all the time, even when I'm locking it to things. Just because someone us using a kickstand doesn't mean they're not locking it to something solid? Your statement makes no sense whatsoever.

Irrational fear of things that make a bike useful. It's a common disease among people who think they're really Lance Armstrong. Kickstands, fenders, racks, lights, reflectors, baskets, wheels with more than 4 spokes all make a bike an actual useful transportation device, so the racer wannabes recoil in horror. See, they know they're suddenly going to have to compete in a bike race, so they can't ride a bike that isn't ready for it. Yeah, it's completely nuts, and they'll deny it, and rationalize, but that's the explanation.

Minumum lock size = most secure. Thus percludes having your bike in a position where the kickstand would be of any use whatsoever. I have never once been out riding and went, gee I wish I had a kickstand now.

Not everyone lives in constant fear of having their bike stolen. I often ride to the store and just leave it upright against the guard rail in the lot or leaning against the tree outside the library.

Occasionally I might use my ulock if I'm going to leave it unattended for a couple hours, but rarely do I bother locking it to something.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2112/2086562263_914e879ea9.jpg?v=0

A kickstand would make loading the XO-3 so much easier.

Not everyone lives in constant fear of having their bike stolen. I often ride to the store and just leave it upright against the guard rail in the lot or leaning against the tree outside the library.

Occasionally I might use my ulock if I'm going to leave it unattended for a couple hours, but rarely do I bother locking it to something.






I dont live in constant, hand wringing fear either, but you sound like someone who has never had a bike stolen. All it takes is just one moment for some low life punk to hop on your bike and steal your pride and joy just as soon as you enter the library, grocery store, or whatever. It only takes a few moments and "bam"....its gone. You dont want that to happen no more than I do, so do yourself a favor and start locking up your bike.

I only have two bikes, but both of them are good ones. One of them never leaves my sight, but the other one, the one I ride to town to get things, always gets locked up no matter what.

But to get back on topic as to kick stands,.....and to the OP, just go out and buy you a kick stand. They're cheap and very convenient. Dont worry about what people on this board think about it,....you worry about what you think about it.

I started using a kickstand on my commuting bike about a year ago. I really like it.

- My bike can "stand" in the bike rack at work without the frame touching the metal bike rack. Prevents paint chips.
- Makes it much more convenient to load the bike in the morning when I'm getting my gear together, putting air in the tires, putting the lights together.
- Sometimes I stop for groceries on the way home; easy to just leave the bike on the sidewalk outside the store while I go in for a minute.

I dont live in constant, hand wringing fear either, but you sound like someone who has never had a bike stolen. All it takes is just one moment for some low life punk to hop on your bike and steal your pride and joy just as soon as you enter the library, grocery store, or whatever. It only takes a few moments and "bam"....its gone. You dont want that to happen no more than I do, so do yourself a favor and start locking up your bike.

I only have two bikes, but both of them are good ones. One of them never leaves my sight, but the other one, the one I ride to town to get things, always gets locked up no matter what.

But to get back on topic as to kick stands,.....and to the OP, just go out and buy you a kick stand. They're cheap and very convenient. Dont worry about what people on this board think about it,....you worry about what you think about it.

I don't think the OP expressed any uncool kickstand phobias-it was brought up after his last post.

But for those wishing to be cool closet kickstand users - there is a removable kickstand:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Greenfield-Easy-Stand-Removable-Kickstand_W0QQitemZ380074727362QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item380074727362&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1420%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

You can stand your bike up by placing this kickstand below, but then remove it and go incognito (sorta like 007) around the cool kickstandless crowd and let them think your are a cool Lance kickstandless rider by not appearing to burden your bike down with the weight of a kickstand.

I started using a kickstand on my commuting bike about a year ago. I really like it.

- My bike can "stand" in the bike rack at work without the frame touching the metal bike rack. Prevents paint chips.
- Makes it much more convenient to load the bike in the morning when I'm getting my gear together, putting air in the tires, putting the lights together.
- Sometimes I stop for groceries on the way home; easy to just leave the bike on the sidewalk outside the store while I go in for a minute.

Cool Kickstandless riders take note-be sure to add some paint chips to bike else people might think you are actually an uncooth kickstand user.

My observations also include noticing my seats on my kickstandless bike gets scrape wear that my kickstand bikes do not-so scratch that saddle to keee....eeeep up impressions.

Those kickstandless riders not concerned with keeping up their cool impressions can ignore this post.

I'm not a serious rider but I use a seat on my bike as well just seams like the thing I want to do, so if you want a kick stand go get one and carry the stigma of a non-serious rider with a non-chipped paint, non-scratched saddle rider rookie.
The only point I was trying to make is it's your bike, fix it up the way you want it to be for your
convince not some one else. Who cares what other people think! As long as it does not threaten your safety go for it.:deadhorse2:

Minumum lock size = most secure. Thus percludes having your bike in a position where the kickstand would be of any use whatsoever. I have never once been out riding and went, gee I wish I had a kickstand now.

You must not use your bike for much beyond...nothing. Any utilitarian bike needs a kickstand. For loading, if not unloading.

I've seen this arguement before and this isn't about locking it as much as it is having a place to put it or a way to put it there. Try removing Park or the emergency brake from your car and let me know how that's workin for ya. Or how about just landing that plane on it's belly on the grass part of the runway. Or closer to home hold your collar out and just throw that pen down your shirt. Eliminate those pesky folders tomorrow and carry all that paper in a lump. ......

More kickstands would come stock if someone would market titanium kickstand bolts.

I got my first "good" bike about a month ago and was very surprised to find it didn't come with a kickstand. I've been kinda surprised that I haven't yet been in a situation where I needed one. There always seems to be a tree handy when I need to lean it against something or lock it up. :)

I thought that you had to have a fixed gear to kickstand.

More kickstands would come stock if someone would market titanium kickstand bolts.

Carbon. And hire a famous racer to put one on his bike. New center-fold in Bicycling.

I haven't used one of these before on this forum. Let's see now... where is that...

:rolleyes:

Ah. There we go.

I haven't used one of these before on this forum. Let's see now... where is that...

:rolleyes:

Ah. There we go.

PROGRESS. Remember when they had STANDS on the rear wheel?

Me neither. Was news when I saw a Rollfast Zep with one.

I hear kickstands that mount near the rear of then chainstay can bend the frame over time. Immagine the force you would exert on the frame at this one point if you tried to hold the bike upright by the chainstay.

This makes sense to me. Especially if you're riding old racing steel.

Actually, the loading/unloading argument makes sense. I carry a backpack with me and don't have panniers so it didn't occur to me.

I dont live in constant, hand wringing fear either, but you sound like someone who has never had a bike stolen. All it takes is just one moment for some low life punk to hop on your bike and steal your pride and joy just as soon as you enter the library, grocery store, or whatever.

Summer of 1975. My pride and joy, the enabler of my life was stolen from the front porch in idyllic suburban Chicago.

If any one sees a late 60's royal blue Schwinn Varsity with a Brooks saddle and white bar tape, let me know.

Summer of 1975. My pride and joy, the enabler of my life was stolen from the front porch in idyllic suburban Chicago.

If any one sees a late 60's royal blue Schwinn Varsity with a Brooks saddle and white bar tape, let me know.

All but one of my stolen bikes were stolen in "idyllic suburban Chicago" when I was a kid...(and had kickstands, too).

I didn't mean to rile all you kickstand fans up. Serious was a poor word choice. By all means if a plastic bolt on kickstand works for you, go for it. Give me the welded on, smooth cam action, steel kickstands like on my Schwinns when I was a kid...now THAT was a kickstand. :thumb:

You must not use your bike for much beyond...nothing. Any utilitarian bike needs a kickstand. For loading, if not unloading.

Thanks for the laugh.

Any real utilitarian cyclist will tell you kickstands are for nubs who haven't grown out of the "ride on the sidewalk" stage of cycling.

Actually, the loading/unloading argument makes sense. I carry a backpack with me and don't have panniers so it didn't occur to me.

No it doesn't. If you load your panniers while they're on the bike then you're a complete moron. You put groceries/load INTO the bags while they are ON THE GROUND before they get attached to the bike.

Again, only nubs will do it the way which would require a kickstand.

This makes sense to me. Especially if you're riding old racing steel.

Less bending moment on the chain stay from a kick stand than from riding the bike. Remember, the kickstand only supports the bike when the rider isn't on it. Under normal circumstances, it's supporting only about half the weight of the bike. The rest is supported by the tires. If you can bend the frame by putting a force of twenty or thirty pounds on the chain stays, your bike is made of cheese.

Not everyone lives in constant fear of having their bike stolen. I often ride to the store and just leave it upright against the guard rail in the lot or leaning against the tree outside the library.

I'd wager 3 million dollars your bike will be stolen the first time you do this in downtown Toronto.

... If you load your panniers while they're on the bike then you're a complete moron. You put groceries/load INTO the bags while they are ON THE GROUND before they get attached to the bike. ...
You forgot your :troll: icon, op!



... only nubs will do it the way...
Who are these "nubs" you keep mentioning? If you're a noob (or newb) and don't quite have the lingo down pat, check out this link: http://www.longmeadow.org/training/glossary.html#anchor251673 (and maybe also the word listed just above "newbie" there :) )

No it doesn't. If you load your panniers while they're on the bike then you're a complete moron. You put groceries/load INTO the bags while they are ON THE GROUND before they get attached to the bike.

Again, only nubs will do it the way which would require a kickstand.

So, I'm riding along and it starts raining Do I A) stop, flick the kickstand, get my jacket out of the pannier, and put it on, flick the kickstand, get back on and ride away. Total time, 39 seconds . Or B) detach both my panniers (which really requires two hands, plus one to hold the bike up, because I'm irrationally afraid of the kickstand.), put the bike down in the mud, dig my jacket out, putting at least one of the panniers down in the mud, put the jacket on, pick the bike out of the mud, put the panniers back on (which, as noted, really requires three hands, because of my irrational fear of the kickstand), get back on the bike and ride away. Total time: probably 2 minutes, plus added time of cleaning everything my irrational fear of the kickstand required me to put in the mud.

:rolleyes:
So, I'm riding along and it starts raining Do I A) stop, flick the kickstand, get my jacket out of the pannier, and put it on, flick the kickstand, get back on and ride away. Total time, 39 seconds . Or B) detach both my panniers (which really requires two hands, plus one to hold the bike up, because I'm irrationally afraid of the kickstand.), put the bike down in the mud, dig my jacket out, putting at least one of the panniers down in the mud, put the jacket on, pick the bike out of the mud, put the panniers back on (which, as noted, really requires three hands, because of my irrational fear of the kickstand), get back on the bike and ride away. Total time: probably 2 minutes, plus added time of cleaning everything my irrational fear of the kickstand required me to put in the mud.

Allright etymologists-what is the name for the phobia symptoms articulated by dscheidt? :thumb:

All but one of my stolen bikes were stolen in "idyllic suburban Chicago" when I was a kid...(and had kickstands, too).

I didn't mean to rile all you kickstand fans up. Serious was a poor word choice. By all means if a plastic bolt on kickstand works for you, go for it. Give me the welded on, smooth cam action, steel kickstands like on my Schwinns when I was a kid...now THAT was a kickstand. :thumb:

That was always a Schwinn marketting feature-any idea why those kickstands disappeared?
They never worked loose nor needed position adjustment.

Irrational fear of things that make a bike useful. It's a common disease among people who think they're really Lance Armstrong. Kickstands, fenders, racks, lights, reflectors, baskets, wheels with more than 4 spokes all make a bike an actual useful transportation device, ....

+1:roflmao2:

You know, we get them over here too. They got the blinged-out bikes, the flash visors/glasses and the team jerseys, but they're apparently physically incapable of equipping their bikes with that little yet so helpful thing for peaceful coexistence among non-motorized traffic, the bicycle bell.
I don't know what it is that they think they gain by sneaking up on slower travellers unannounced and then swearing vehemently about not getting a clear path, but apparently it's hugely important to them.

I have 2 bikes with kickstands. One has the stand mounted just behind the pedals, which is a real pain when you wheel the bike backwards out of the garage because the stand gets in the way. The other has the stand mounted on the left hand side off the back wheel nut. To me this is the perfect position as it is easy to use and does not get in the way when you are riding, wheeling or standing. Oh and the 3rd bike I have does not have a stand - it is covered with chips and scratches from being leaned up for a lifetime.

That was always a Schwinn marketting feature-any idea why those kickstands disappeared?
They never worked loose nor needed position adjustment.

Heck, as a kid you could be supported when sitting on your parked bike with one of those babies! Can you do that with one of those wimpy Greenfield jobs? Surprised they hold up to loaded tourers.

May as well ask why many things go out of fashion in bicycle marketers' heads, or get recycled in time (never know, they may still have a comeback!).

All but one of my stolen bikes were stolen in "idyllic suburban Chicago" when I was a kid...(and had kickstands, too).

I didn't mean to rile all you kickstand fans up. Serious was a poor word choice. By all means if a plastic bolt on kickstand works for you, go for it. Give me the welded on, smooth cam action, steel kickstands like on my Schwinns when I was a kid...now THAT was a kickstand. :thumb:

Hmmm... my departed '95 lost the bracket bolt and maybe another piece and before I had noticed the two brazes? tore out although it must've stayed put for a long time prior toit starting to come off and I had to actually YANK it a little like a hesitant baby tooth.

That's all I have left of the bike too!

To the original poster who wants a kickstand,

I agree with you that a kickstand can be very useful. I have a kickstand on my Xtracycle that I use for shopping. Having the bike stand up on its own is really useful for loading.

I also have a kickstand on my urban commute bike. Its great to have the bike stand up while you load and unload your gear. I use the kickstand every day for one little thing or another.

You can cruise down to your local bike shop and they probably have a few models to show you. If you can't find any kickstands nearby, there are many available on the web.

If you really want a stable platform, the Pletcsher double is the best kickstand I have seen.
http://www.velo-orange.com/pldoki.html

For a lighter standard kickstand, though, the Greenfield is a nice old standard.
http://www.velo-orange.com/grki.html

Good luck and ride like you want.