Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - hplusson @ thebikebiz

thebikebiz has them on their site now. i had seen them in the shop about 5ish days ago.

http://www.thebikebiz.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=TRK-RM-HS01

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they are not that special. why are they so glorified.

they are new

and deep(r)

but they are a solid wheel and paired with a good hub are quite nice.

but still they're just a rim, and a hype rim at that. i just think they're like said above, glorified for more than what they are, and no im not saying they're not nice or anything. i do like them. just not this much.

yea they are very hyped. they are new and deep. people want and like that

Be the new kid on the block throwing down the hottest S#@& all year. You may have seen these H Plus Son rims spring up on places like Tokyo fixed the last couple months, but now they're here rocking the states! Unlike anything else out there, the H + Son Formation Face rim has a true V shaped wall and absolutely no provisions for running a brake. The side of the rim has a completely even surface. It looks like a wall. Oh, and it's 42mm deep. Deep V's are a comparatively diminutive 30mm. Lastly, they're substantially lighter than their Velocity counterpart.

Wow, just wow.....and all for only just $125 a rim......

hahaha i have one and that made me laugh so hard. it is a lot but hey some people will drop some cash

Why not just buy right off the hplusson site and save about 35 bucks per rim? Theyre $105 shipped there.
Bike biz is $125 plus shipping.
Bikebiz gets a huge thumb down.

Wow, just wow.....and all for only just $125 a rim......


they always write their descriptions like that. funny.

but still they're just a rim, and a hype rim at that. i just think they're like said above, glorified for more than what they are, and no im not saying they're not nice or anything. i do like them. just not this much.

How much is "this much?" Not enough to take a minute out of your life to post a thread about them? They're good wheels, the owner of the company has been listening to a lot of the comments people on many, many forums have made about his product/company and doing his best to make them happy. Not only that, it's a solid product, and it fills a niche that has all but been ignored, namely, a reasonably priced, reasonably light, extra-deep-section rim suitable for racing/training. Deep-Vs and their ilk are constructed for strength and are not suitable for this application.

How much is "this much?" Not enough to take a minute out of your life to post a thread about them? They're good wheels, the owner of the company has been listening to a lot of the comments people on many, many forums have made about his product/company and doing his best to make them happy. Not only that, it's a solid product, and it fills a niche that has all but been ignored, namely, a reasonably priced, reasonably light, extra-deep-section rim suitable for racing/training. Deep-Vs and their ilk are constructed for strength and are not suitable for this application.

How about the Mavic cpx 33? It even has a braking surface......

How about the Mavic cpx 33? It even has a braking surface......

Not even CLOSE to the depth of these rims, and HPLUSSON does make a version with a braking surface.

^yeah but very few people will acutally be using the for the track. so many people buy them as a hype rim. just saying, there will be people to use them for a track wheel but it's really just "i got a 42mm deep v rim..."

oh i have one of each. i win. can i have a prize

^yeah but very few people will acutally be using the for the track. so many people buy them as a hype rim. just saying, there will be people to use them for a track wheel but it's really just "i got a 42mm deep v rim..."

True, but the same can be said for just about any bike part that looks half-way decent and/or costs a pretty penny.

Not even CLOSE to the depth of these rims, and HPLUSSON does make a version with a braking surface.

How does that effect me being the new kid on the block throwing down the hottest S#@& all year? These aren't being marketed to the velodrome, but rather to the college campus.....

Well there is only one on my campus...probably in my state.

How does that effect me being the new kid on the block throwing down the hottest S#@& all year? These aren't being marketed to the velodrome, but rather to the college campus.....

Marketing? What marketing? I've seen the owner speaking to the people on weight weenies and tarck bike. If people are interested, they're interested. Who are we to decide who the "should" be buying them?

These aren't being marketed to the velodrome, but rather to the college campus.....

Hplusson has done absolutely zero marketing that Ive seen. Its all been pretty much word of mouth.
Theyre website has zero pictures and says nothing of intent of use either

For what it's worth, these rims got a pretty solid review on the Weight Weenies forum. A friend of mine is pretty heavy, so he's thinking of getting a 36H hplusson for his rear rim. Overkill? Personally, I like them.

"Not Compatible with brakes, so man up!"

hah.

Could they make the company name more difficult to pronounce? I mean at least give it a model name we can all say without sounding like complete idiots.

Next up:

http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/images/Edge-Carbon-68-hi.jpg

reasonably priced, reasonably light, extra-deep-section rim suitable for racing/training. Deep-Vs and their ilk are constructed for strength and are not suitable for this application.

what racing

show me a picture of someone training or racing on these, then I'll accept that statement. all ive seen is freestyling. if someone wanted to race on a deep section 42mm rim theyd get a good and expensive racing wheel like a set of mid-life-crisis zipp's or something. With the price you spend on these rims and pay to build them up you could just as easily get something pre built cheaper and probably better for the ''racing application''. theyre hipster rims. they have no brake surface. they are the new deep v.

deepV's are more than suitable for training and racing. in fact I know someone that does just that. trains and races.

Why not just buy right off the hplusson site and save about 35 bucks per rim? Theyre $105 shipped there.
Bike biz is $125 plus shipping.


Bikebiz gets a huge thumb down.

from the site.
''Formation Face is 85 USD and SL42 is 80 USD.

1 rim: 30 USD (5 working days).
2 rims: 50 USD (5 working days).''

from the site.
''Formation Face is 85 USD and SL42 is 80 USD.

1 rim: 30 USD (5 working days).
2 rims: 50 USD (5 working days).''

Exactly.....much cheaper buying from hplusson and not bike biz.

if someone wanted to race on a deep section 42mm rim theyd get a good and expensive racing wheel like a set of mid-life-crisis zipp's or something.

This is exactly the point. Not everyone can afford Zipps, but they would still like a deep section rim that is reasonably light, so that the aerodynamic benefits aren't completely counter-acted by the increased weight.

Regarding the freestyling comment, the owner has come out and said these rims are not meant to be "bomb-proof" like other deep section rims on the market. To get the weight down you need to remove material, and that's how they did it, plain and simple.

Lastly, the closest you're gonna get to a picture of someone racing or training on these things is on weight weenies. These rims have been on the market for what, a few months? What are you expecting?

This is exactly the point. Not everyone can afford Zipps, but they would still like a deep section rim that is reasonably light, so that the aerodynamic benefits aren't completely counter-acted by the increased weight.

Regarding the freestyling comment, the owner has come out and said these rims are not meant to be "bomb-proof" like other deep section rims on the market. To get the weight down you need to remove material, and that's how they did it, plain and simple.

Lastly, the closest you're gonna get to a picture of someone racing or training on these things is on weight weenies. These rims have been on the market for what, a few months? What are you expecting?

i just dont regard these things as racing wheels. there is a set i know for sale for $550 for track application with decent racing hubs, and whatever road racing you think someone would use them on (definitely dont see that happening) in place of zipps or some other less expensive rims that easily come to mind would be just as expensive to put onto a good hub. and the spoke count is high.

you can get something simple like a set of eastons or ksyriums or something for the same price. and lighter. and less spokes. i cant see the slight aerodynamic advantage (what does that really matter anyway) overuling that. and for training? who needs a 42mm wheel to train on? aerodynamics important for training........?

^yeah but very few people will acutally be using the for the track. so many people buy them as a hype rim. just saying, there will be people to use them for a track wheel but it's really just "i got a 42mm deep v rim..."

The roadies are already all over them (http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=49366&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0).

Anyway, there's nothing inherent in the wheel that says it has to be used on the track. ****, just about everyone here owns TRACK BIKES and TRACK COMPONENTS that will never see the track. Who cares about a rim?

i just dont regard these things as racing wheels. there is a set i know for sale for $550 for track application with decent racing hubs, and whatever road racing you think someone would use them on (definitely dont see that happening) in place of zipps or some other less expensive rims that easily come to mind would be just as expensive to put onto a good hub. and the spoke count is high.

you can get something simple like a set of eastons or ksyriums or something for the same price. and lighter. and less spokes. i cant see the slight aerodynamic advantage (what does that really matter anyway) overuling that. and for training? who needs a 42mm wheel to train on? aerodynamics important for training........?

I've never seen a set of track wheels with 42mm profile for $550. Please point to this wheel set.

Look at the website and it clearly states that new, low spoke count rims are going to be available shortly. 28s are already in stock, and 24s are expected within six weeks. 28 and 24 hole rims are the standard in road wheels these days.

Eastons EA90s and Ksyriums (new) both cost considerably more than it would be to build these wheels yourself, and probably more than it would to have these professionally built with some fancy hubs and bladed spokes. Further, the Eastons don't approach the depth of this rim, and the Ksyriums are probably the worst high-end road wheel available.

So after reading the Weight Weenies forum, where people are posting about how they want to buy and build these as inexpensive crit wheels, why would you therefore say it that you definitely don't see these in road racing? Why wouldn't you use them for road racing? Are you not aware of how most amateur road racing works? The biggest single advantage your equipment can give you is an aerodynamic edge, and the best place to get that edge is from your wheels. I can understand if you mean that you haven't seen them yet, because they've only been available for like two months, but that's not that I take away from your wheels.

i just dont regard these things as racing wheels. there is a set i know for sale for $550 for track application with decent racing hubs, and whatever road racing you think someone would use them on (definitely dont see that happening) in place of zipps or some other less expensive rims that easily come to mind would be just as expensive to put onto a good hub. and the spoke count is high.

you can get something simple like a set of eastons or ksyriums or something for the same price. and lighter. and less spokes. i cant see the slight aerodynamic advantage (what does that really matter anyway) overuling that. and for training? who needs a 42mm wheel to train on? aerodynamics important for training........?

that's a good point.

Why not just buy right off the hplusson site and save about 35 bucks per rim? Theyre $105 shipped there.
Bike biz is $125 plus shipping.
Bikebiz gets a huge thumb down.

Why are you mad? They stealing your business model?:rolleyes:

I have no business model nor a business.
I just cant imagine why anyone wouldnt want to buy them straight from the source and save some money.

what racing

show me a picture of someone training or racing on these, then I'll accept that statement. all ive seen is freestyling. if someone wanted to race on a deep section 42mm rim theyd get a good and expensive racing wheel like a set of mid-life-crisis zipp's or something. With the price you spend on these rims and pay to build them up you could just as easily get something pre built cheaper and probably better for the ''racing application''. theyre hipster rims. they have no brake surface. they are the new deep v.

deepV's are more than suitable for training and racing. in fact I know someone that does just that. trains and races.

I was going to write a nice reply to this but than saw that Bonechiller beat me.

Either way, you're asking too much from a 2 month old product. On top of that, after it comes in a tubular model, there's a handful of us pretty set on building these up as race wheels for the track over at Tarck Bike, and I'm sure through word of mouth I could easily find trackies over at Alpenrose willing to do the same who are riding on box rims right now, the the price. When Hplusson gets more distrubution, the cost will come down because you'll be paying just retail instead of retail + shipping by buying direct from China. $80 a rim is how much I paid for Open Pro CD's... if I can get that for a race wheel then hell yeah!

PS Comparing these to Zipps is ****ing moot. If anything they're somewhat comparable to Planet X rims - check the price of those vs. Zipps, which per rim cost more than most people's wheelsets. And Planet X still comes in at a relatively "modest" $200 a rim, of which is completely down the toilet if you wind up in a crash during a race.

seen these around NYC at Chari & Co., as well as on a dude's bike in last weekend's graf alleycat - gorgeous!!! they are fly and tarck as funk... if that's how you ride, get some.

I just wanna say that the people at Hplusson are marketing geniuses. Everybody has been talking about these wheels for months and asking where to get them. Knowone even knows if they're good wheels, everyone just wants them because they can't get them.

Those ****ers are straight playing us!

I just wanna say that the people at Hplusson are marketing geniuses. Everybody has been talking about these wheels for months and asking where to get them. Knowone even knows if they're good wheels, everyone just wants them because they can't get them.

Those ****ers are straight playing us!

http://www.google.ca/search?q=h+plus+son

Good luck finding them in that jungle!

Better brew a fresh pot!

Another sarcastic one-liner with an exclamation point!

thanx for proving my point...tons of talk but no walk by the company who makes these. I don't wanna buy my $120 rims from a company who does not even have a website.

This company is lame..as are you

thanx for proving my point...tons of talk but no walk by the company who makes these. I don't wanna buy my $120 rims from a company who does not even have a website.

This company is lame..as are you


What? They do have a website.
But if they didnt they sure would be a POS company cause that's all that matters anyway. Not the rimz...the site. Its all about the sitez!

thanx for proving my point...tons of talk but no walk by the company who makes these. I don't wanna buy my $120 rims from a company who does not even have a website.

This company is lame..as are you

hahaha. ha. ok.

thanx for proving my point...tons of talk but no walk by the company who makes these. I don't wanna buy my $120 rims from a company who does not even have a website.

This company is lame..as are you

The reason I linked the google search instead of the actual site was so that you could see for yourself that the company's site is the FIRST RESULT when you search for H PLUS SON. Where's your brain?

Marketing? What marketing? I've seen the owner speaking to the people on weight weenies and tarck bike. If people are interested, they're interested. Who are we to decide who the "should" be buying them?

I'm referring to the blurb on the Bike Biz site.....I'm not deciding who should buy them, I'm simply expressing a bit of doubt and dismay about bikes becoming fashion accessories....

thanx for proving my point...tons of talk but no walk by the company who makes these. I don't wanna buy my $120 rims from a company who does not even have a website.

This company is lame..as are you

Turn off the TV and pick up a logic textbook.

yes. When i started this company one of my main goals was to spend zero dollars on adverts.
It's funny that what i find most annoying and disgusting and wasteful about companies like Nike, is the exact thing people expect to see from me.
Nike makes a shoe for about 3 USD dollars. Sells it for 150 USD. And spends 50 dollars of that shoe on marketing and blasting us with adverts.
I have this philosophy that if i made a product i'm really stoked about, others would be as well.
It would not need much convincing.
I didn't want to run ads to con people into thinking this was the greatest thing, because frankly ads hardly ever works on me.
I think it is better to make a product you believed in, sell it to people and have it spread in the most organic fashion possible. word of mouth.
I think this is better than making some piece of ****, wrap it up in adverts and try to trick people it was hand made in the USA. Or DESIGNED IN ITALY, and in small print, made in taiwan (that always cracks me up)

Call me idealistic, but i just want to believe that people are not pawns, waiting for marketing companies to tell them what to buy and what to wear and how high to jump.

There is this feeling in our consumer society where if something isn't warped up in marketing and super crazy flash sites, than it must not be legit or of high quality. The simple word of mouth, or testing it out yourself isn't enough. You need flashy marketing to reassure yourself of your purchase.

It's this simple dood. The rims are legit. You want me to pay someone into making you believe this? Sorry I won't.

yYu have your own mind. I respect you enough that i think you can use it.


btw i'd have a site up by now if the Chinese government didn't ban my site in this country. I can't even upload or change anything on my site. I only get to do it when i'm out of the country.

hey Tsuzing! Keep us updated on those new rims!

I understand your reasoning, especially in the world of the internet, word of mouth can spread fast and wide (and reach the people you want to reach).

The moment I saw these rims I was amazed, they are quite lightweight, very deep and amazing quality. Don't worry about dickT3030 (http://www.bikeforums.net/member.php?u=117643) he is in the minority and doesn't understand China. But I understand that you would be worried about people spreading those kinds of messages.

If you need help with the site, there are plenty of people outside who could help you.

Good luck, I am sure you will do well. Get those retail channels working (they are the ones who should do the local advertising for you anyway)

I'm referring to the blurb on the Bike Biz site.....I'm not deciding who should buy them, I'm simply expressing a bit of doubt and dismay about bikes becoming fashion accessories....

Okay, well that's thebikebiz for you. Not really fair to blame the manufacturer.

Okay, well that's thebikebiz for you. Not really fair to blame the manufacturer.

I put no blame on the manufacturer at all. It's this goofy fad of having a ultra-high end bike to tool around in the city or a college campus on and then turn your nose up at 'lesser' bikes that rubs me the wrong way. Snobbery sucks.