Classic & Vintage - "C" my winter project

So I have time for one last winter project before I leave PDX for my next assignment. In honor of what seems to be a time honored C&V tradition I will not reveal the make until the build is finished...but it does figure "C" in the name. So is it a stately Colnago, a racy Ciocc, a classy Cinelli, or maybe even an early pre-aluminum Cannondale experiment with polished aluminum lugs? Time will tell.

I will say that she's going to sport mostly NR components, and I will be keeping the wheels tubulars. I have never owned and used sewups, but when I was a kid that's all you ever heard about. So I'll finally have a steed with them. I'll soon be getting the frame prepped, and then waiting for a warmish day (hah!) to shoot her with framesaver. I'm planning to do the build either Thanksgiving if things go ahead of schedule, or Xmas if things slip. My only real nod to comfort and modernity will be putting on speedplays so I can ride her with my road shoes.

Huge thanks to KRhea for contributing from his secret stash of Campy jewels hid deep in the Cascade mtns.

Hope you like the pics.

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Centurion.

I will not confirm or deny guesses, but promise to be amused by the process.

Sweet. I am dropping my Ciocc off at the powder-coaters this week, it is will be my "C" project this winter.

Your frame is a Chesini.

Hah! I will also take any useful advice on ancient rim glue removal methods. I was also going to ask how people have gotten old anodizing off Campy cranks, but I ended up using (In pure prior Jarhead fashion) 320 grit and muscle.

I don't have a guess, since I'm a big noob, but I will say that that is some seriously sexy paint.

Hah! I will also take any useful advice on ancient rim glue removal methods. I was also going to ask how people have gotten old anodizing off Campy cranks, but I ended up using (In pure prior Jarhead fashion) 320 grit and muscle.

Wire wheel with dremel works very well.

Changing my guess to echo jet sanchez. I'll call Chesini also.

Centurion.

+1...Ofmega Mistral headset, Cinelli "can opener" BB shell, chromed headtube lugs

Definitely a nicer spray job than the original...sweet riding frame

Confente :lol:

-Kurt

What bikes came with Campy dropouts and Ofmega headsets?

Edit: Seems JunkYardBike beat me to the punch.

Most of that glue looks like it would just flake off. A wire brush (brass) is helpful. There's no sense in getting carried away with removal, you don't need a claen surface to glue.

To remove anodizing, use EZ Off oven cleaner, not the new 'eco friendly' stuff, but the old fashioned stuff that has lye, or any off brand that contains mostly lye. Be careful, especially with your eyes. I end up with a finer grit paper, more like 1000 wet, and then to the buffing wheel after that.

Good advice from a master here:
http://www.raydobbins.com/polishing/

Speedplays on a vintage build?



Me too. Nothing else will do.

"C"... Stands for C. Itoh?:lol:

I "C" that it must have a front derailer tab...

-Kurt

I like!!

Most of that glue looks like it would just flake off. A wire brush (brass) is helpful. There's no sense in getting carried away with removal, you don't need a claen surface to glue.

To remove anodizing, use EZ Off oven cleaner, not the new 'eco friendly' stuff, but the old fashioned stuff that has lye, or any off brand that contains mostly lye. Be careful, especially with your eyes. I end up with a finer grit paper, more like 1000 wet, and then to the buffing wheel after that.

Good advice from a master here:
http://www.raydobbins.com/polishing/

Wait...what? When did lye become non-'eco friendly'? Isn't lye the main ingredient in soap?

Most of that glue looks like it would just flake off. A wire brush (brass) is helpful. There's no sense in getting carried away with removal, you don't need a claen surface to glue.

To remove anodizing, use EZ Off oven cleaner, not the new 'eco friendly' stuff, but the old fashioned stuff that has lye, or any off brand that contains mostly lye. Be careful, especially with your eyes. I end up with a finer grit paper, more like 1000 wet, and then to the buffing wheel after that.

Good advice from a master here:
http://www.raydobbins.com/polishing/

Thanks for the tip. I have tried my brass cleaning brush and it does an OK job, but v. labor intensive. I did consider using the E.Off for the cranks, but funny story; So in 1989 I was a Sgt in the Marines and one of my guys decided to use Easy Off on his M16 and beat the system by cleaning it "real good" without effort. He left it on way too long, the EO ate several holes through the upper receiver, and I had to send him up to see "the Man." Left a real bad taste in my mouth for EO.

As it is I am using 320, then 600, then 1000 grit and that seems to work fairly well. The nooks and crannies of the drive side have me with cramped fingers.

Wait...what? When did lye become non-'eco friendly'? Isn't lye the main ingredient in soap?If you don't have fat for the lye (sodium hydroxide) to react with you will get a nasty burn. In fact, if you use too much lye in soap making, a burn is likely as well.

The newer versions of EZ Off are made without lye, or with very little lye.

As poprad noted, you don't want to leave it on the part too long, or you won't have much of a part left. Usually 4 or 5 minutes will suffice. A 50/50 mixture of vinegar and water will neutralize pure lye. Use rubber gloves and eye protection whenever you use chemicals. Lye will blind you.

bump...no more guesses?

Chuck Knoblauch

Chuck Knoblauch

Then he would have to put "knobbys" on it. Do they make knobby tires in glue-ups?

chuck connors?

Italian, cenelli?

Casati !!!!!!!!!

If you don't have fat for the lye (sodium hydroxide) to react with you will get a nasty burn. In fact, if you use too much lye in soap making, a burn is likely as well.
The newer versions of EZ Off are made without lye, or with very little lye.
I haven't had occasion to do this, but you know, the "Peel-Away" paint remover (at least the standard stuff, I think #1) is a caustic. Has anyone tried that to remove anodizing?

calnogo

Your frame is a Chesini.

Funny, that was also my first thought.

I see a tipo QR nut on a record hub, this should be rectified immediately.

I'm with ozneddy: 2 votes for Casati
No, wait I'm changing my vote, I just looked again and now I say: a Centurion-Cinelli Equipe (with respray)

... Left a real bad taste in my mouth for EO. .
You're not supposed to eat EZ-Off.....:roflmao2:

We used WD-40 and elbow grease on our 16's, in '77, and it was against regs, then, too.
We cleaned all our weapons in the armory, and they'd smell that WD and start raising hell.
We'd carry the little sqeeze packs in the field, then the gunny would get mad when it sprayed out of the chamber. He'd let up, though, when he realized we'd bring 'em back cleaner than when we saddled up.

To this day, I hate tracer rounds because, while fun to fire, the cleaning is a beech.

Elbow grease still works, and I give the JROTC kids extra points for non-anodized brass and leather shoes.

And I still think Centurion.

but it does figure "C" in the name

Doesn't say the brand name starts with a "C", also doesn't directly state that the "C" is in the brand name so it could be in the model name.

Nice frame!


Hah! I will also take any useful advice on ancient rim glue removal methods. I was also going to ask how people have gotten old anodizing off Campy cranks, but I ended up using (In pure prior Jarhead fashion) 320 grit and muscle.

Paint thinner and a lot of rubbing worked for me.

Robbie, by george you may be right, those head lugs do look alike.

calnogo

is thr "Cal"nago as in California joking m8 .!!


that paint looks like a Colnago paint job ..??
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What are the odds of another Italian maker using Ofmega headsets?

C as in Crescent! ...not! But it sure looks like a very, very nice winter project. Nice indeed.

I am loving the guesses out there. I am travelling on business right now, but just acquired the Regina ORO to make this build complete. Looks like a T-day weekend build out is possible, so stand by.

Why didn't you show us the fork crown?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/dissident75/Centurion%20Cinelli/Centurion_Cinelli_19.jpg

Or the seatstay cap?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/dissident75/Centurion%20Cinelli/Centurion_Cinelli_10.jpg

Or the brake bridge?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/dissident75/Centurion%20Cinelli/Centurion_Cinelli_8.jpg

Or the bottom bracket shell?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/dissident75/Centurion%20Cinelli/Centurion_Cinelli_28.jpg

Oh, because then we'd know for sure it's a:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/dissident75/Centurion%20Cinelli/Centurion_Cinelli_6.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/dissident75/Centurion%20Cinelli/Centurion_Cinelli_9.jpg

:p

¿Si?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/dissident75/Centurion%20Cinelli/Centurion_Cinelli_headbadge.jpg

RB and JY get the prize....although not sporting Centurion ID, it must be, since all the detail shots from JY would indicate so. Kudos to all. If I get to NJ or coastal NC in my travels I'll buy the first round.

Si.

¿Si?

Showing off our Columbus tubing stamps, are we?

http://www.jaysmarine.com/Darienzo87_pic_6.jpg

-Kurt

I was first to guess it, so that makes me king for the next 30 seconds. Where are the lusty serving wenches?

Oops, time's up. I was properly educated by JYB and A. Winthrop and T-Mar, so credit must go to the gurus, not the grasshopper.

Now, is that bike for sale?.......

Robbie, by george you may be right, those head lugs do look alike.
"may" be right? and after all we've been through....

Hah, Robbietunes nailed it! It is now confirmed after A.Winthrop gave it away!

The Centurion Equipe is also my favorite ride (given the other choice is a Trek 600):

http://www.fivenineclimber.com/images/cinelli/nov08-1.jpg

http://www.fivenineclimber.com/images/cinelli/nov08-5.jpg

http://www.fivenineclimber.com/images/cinelli/nov08-3.jpg

http://www.fivenineclimber.com/images/cinelli/nov08-2.jpg

http://www.fivenineclimber.com/images/cinelli/morningride.jpg

Wish they came decaled like that when original...

-Kurt

Good night, that's gorgeous!
And look at all that room for a seat bag. Tall people get everything.

robbie now I want that cinelli centurion even more.:D

robbie now I want that cinelli centurion even more.:D
Here's where I double the price...:roflmao2:

ah well you never set a price so double nothing is still nothing:D right:innocent:

double priceless is still priceless. this tease could go to infinity and beyond....:lol:

so robbie are you saying that you are a tease?

you know that isn't very nice.