Classic & Vintage - This just tears it.

I was on youtube watching a machine shred things then I saw this one, wtf, this isn't recycling, this is wasteing, look at them nice vintage bikes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OJW6ayY488&feature=channel

ouch!

It's so mean, what kind of people would give their bikes up to this fate?

that is just sick and I don't mean it like the kids say it... as in it really isn't cool... unless of course it is a murray that is getting the shred, but still.

And why was it that the seat was always the last to go?:cry:

Perhaps the current economic collapse will finally teach our trash culture, throwaway society a much-needed lesson about waste and debt.

Re-use should come WAY before Recycle in this case.
Video reminds me of 30 Days of Night.

It's tear tugging to see that happen, I just saved a old Sekine at 11:41 pm at night lol I'll do what it takes to make sure atleast some bikes get new life!

I didn't see any bikes worth saving in that video. If it were cheaper to refurbish those bikes, somebody would have done it. People don't say "hey, it's more expensive to shred these bikes and build new ones but what the hey, we're going to do it anyways."

Paper bags or plastic? Both are recyclable but the plastic ones actually use less energy and generate less waste than the paper ones and are cheaper, too. In a sanitary landfill, neither will break down, not in our lifetimes. Of course, when they ask paper or plastic one could say: neither, just use my panniers. Relatively speaking, they cost the same as a Colnago does to a Magna/Free Spirit/Muffy bike but like the Colnago, last much longer, are much stronger, and nobody would ever send one to the shredder.

Having built and run a recycling center, the economics of recycling versus new are not foreign to me. Aluminum cans subsidized the recycling of everything else, not including the huge amount of donated labor and free use of the land for the center.

The glass bottles we sent to the city center were "shredded". Why couldn't they have recycled those bottles.

I have three words to the person behind this: "Oops! I slipped."

Possibly delivered posthumously.

Regarding our wasteful, throwaway society, let me share what I encountered the other day when I contacted SRAM for a couple small replacement parts for one of my 7X3 hub (an indicator chain, locator sleeve, and nut/washer for the axle). I left a voice message for their internal hub expert and he called me back the next afternoon. The first thing he said to me is "he would strongly recommend I stop using the 7x3 hubs I have. I asked him why - I thought I must be in danger or something. Get this, his reply was "because if I help you get the parts you need to repair it this time, the next time it needs repairing you will just try to fix it again." I could not believe this guy. Both my hubs work perfectly! I told him I understood his trying to up-sell me to their newer products, but that the hub I need the parts for works perfectly, I love these hubs, and all I need are a couple small attachment pieces. I also, told him that I am not a mass consumer and I see no sense in throwing out perfectly good items, that I am somewhat of an environmentalist and I do not like to waste resources. He acted completed put out and disgusted with me. I told him I am putting this hub back into service on another bike and that in the future when I build another I may go with one otheir newer dual drive hubs. End result, he wouldn't help me get the parts and was in my opinion and absolute jerk. SRAM is off my short list. I will use these hubs until they die and then I will find something from another company. I have written a letter to the president of SRAM and will send it off. Apparently, they do not understand green marketing or customer equity at SRAM. Why make and sell products that last a lifetime and not service them? Especially when the reason is, we want you to buy our new product!

Sad face...

What's the point of that, other than gratuitous destruction? At the close of that clip, the hands sorting through the carnage hold up an alloy crankarm attached to a steel pedal spindle with a plastic pedal platform. Don't these items still need to be sorted? Is that mess any more segregated or easy to store or transport than the bicycles as a whole?

Disturbing for sure, but I found it amusing that when they show someone rummaging through the chunks at the end of the video, they pull out a crank arm with one of those cheap plastic platform pedals still attached. Those pedals can get through a monster shredding machine with a bit of luck, but they usually can't hold up to a human foot for very long...

Apparently, they do not understand green marketing or customer equity at SRAM. Why make and sell products that last a lifetime and not service them?

I'm not much of a greenie, but I do appreciate vintage technology that withstands the test of time. This explains my vintage bike habit pretty succinctly. I am dismayed at the "throwaway" culture. I think, if given a fair choice, people would choose to stick with their familiar "widget" instead of getting a new one, but the deck always seems to be stacked against it ... planned obsolescence, unwillingness to provide service and support beyond a few years, and the resulting increased cost of repair vs. replacement leads most of us to just buy a new one because "it's cheaper".

I think the inner one in the second load was a Masi.

That's not even funny.

What's the point of that, other than gratuitous destruction? At the close of that clip, the hands sorting through the carnage hold up an alloy crankarm attached to a steel pedal spindle with a plastic pedal platform. Don't these items still need to be sorted? Is that mess any more segregated or easy to store or transport than the bicycles as a whole?


They're trying to sell shredders. I think you're right that there's not much point to the video.

That's not even funny.

true , that isnt funny .


"portal cycling " love the signature m8 .
Cheers
T

It made a big pile small but didn't seperate the plastic from the steel and aluminium. So what's the point?

That was horrible.

Paper bags or plastic? Both are recyclable but the plastic ones actually use less energy and generate less waste than the paper ones and are cheaper, too. In a sanitary landfill, neither will break down, not in our lifetimes.

Having built and run a recycling center...

SO I thought the point of using paper is that it grows on trees, and is therefore renewable? And are you saying that paper doesn't break down? The damn paper bags I use breakdown before I can get from the kitchen to the garbage outside, that's why, er, I use plastic. For the garbage, anyway.

No offense, but this sounds like made up facts. Do you have a source for this that isn't on Dupont.com?

I didn't even get to see the shredding part of the video. That effing drawing and sound of the pen was too much for me to waste my time watching it.

NO, NO, No, No, NO, NO, NO, NO!

Firstly, all of us could recycle those bikes into more useful items - bicycles, without needing any energy generation to do it.

Secondly, even the cheap bicycles are useful - our refuse contractor segregates them and ship loads are delivered to detention centres where the inmates fix them up. They are then shipped to Africa so children can ride them to school, adults can get to the clinic in an hour or two instead of a day, and so on.

Wasteful, or what!

SO I thought the point of using paper is that it grows on trees, and is therefore renewable? And are you saying that paper doesn't break down?
I read an article about the people whose academic specialty is urban archaeology awhile back -- they basically do digs in landfill. One of the most resilient materials was, surprisingly, old newspapers -- and a boon for the archaeologists, who could use them to date everything they were doing (unless they came from people's attics a generation after currency).

The bikes in my yard would rust away if I didnt send them to the crusher. I keep all the good ones.

Ive been in the recycling game most of my working life. The word is conserve. You cant keep on dumpng it on someone else, The paper market was flooded awhile back They were paying 30 dollars a ton. And it costs $4o to ship The city covered the $10. That only lasts so long and it off to the land fill.:(

The longer this thread is active, the harder it is for me not to mention the horrific 'cow shred' video I once saw on youtube.

One of the most resilient materials was, surprisingly, old newspapers -- and a boon for the archaeologists, who could use them to date everything they were doing (unless they came from people's attics a generation after currency).

Newsprint is loaded with clay, and I can imagine that it would last a long time. Craft paper, which is used in shopping bags, however, is a very raw paper, and would biodegrade much quicker.

As to archeologists, I doubt that one generation or two would make that much of a difference a thousand years out. ;-)

-Jon

The utter lack of replacement parts and early obsolescence is what I dislike about Shimano and other Japanese brands and LIKED about Campagnolo Nuovo Record. With Campy, you could and still CAN, get spare parts to fix what you own. THAT is quality.

Several times I've helped Bikes not Bombs (http://www.bikesnotbombs.org/) load bikes
to ship to Africa. They get 450 bikes and it costs $4500 (container, fees and bribes) to ship the container.
$10 a bike. Many of the bikes are half way decent, but others need help. To see perfectly good bikes
crushed is such a shame. I have no trouble here selling anything that shifts, brakes, and rides well.
Anyway, more bikes in the crusher means more money for the used bikes. Not that I need any help - it
isn't uncommon to see bikes here with stolen wheels and wheels that have been run over.

so beavis and butthead got a new schreader? if its recycling, then wouldn't you take off any good parts or at least seperate materials. they don't get it and this senseless destruction makes me sick. these are probably the same people who would chant, "fire, fire, fire. yeah, huh huh huh!", when around an open flame. i guess since we all enjoy bikes then there would be people out there who enjoy destroying stuff and i guess we outta respect that, but why something we care about. and it looks like some of those bikes could have been savable. im sad now, but i knew i would be b4 i watched that. ignorance was bliss.

To those of you who think just because they are lowend bikes it's no big deal, or what not, wrong, I give them away or sell them cheap and to see the smile on wjpever's face who gets it, thats way better then seeing this happen to them, nomatter the quality of a bike, All bikes deserve a respectful home.

Maybe they should show that grinder cutting up a gas guzzling SUV. Oh that's right, I forgot that goes against our culture. Too bad, it would be more useful.

After watching that video, I'm pissed. I'm going to start a movement against bicycle abuse!

Great Rocco, I support you.

call them the ultimate Drew's... ban the Drew's

I'm pretty sure the shredder appeared on MSNBC on a show about entrepreneurs, and one was this guy who created these shredders to make a buck on the disposal of large bulky items. IIRC, he argued that he could shred a refrigerator into a smaller volume and save space in a landfill.

I doubt the folks at Working Bikes Cooperative or Bikes Not Bombs would be very happy to see this.

I dunno - I thought it was fun to watch.

Could'a used some of those saddles, though......