General Cycling Discussion - Help with school...

1. I'm writing a paper on alternative transportation for my Comp I class. She looked over my rough draft and wants me to prove "that cycling is perhaps the most efficient form of transportation, aside from walking". Any opinions on how I prove something that should be common sense? (She does not accept Wikipedia as a source).

2. I also need help picking out a new bag. My Ful 'pack is too organized and my Dakine 'pack when loaded digs into my shoulders a little too much. I'm car-light and need to be able to haul a load. Panniers are out because I'm currently not using my bike for the commute.

Thinking about trying either a messenger bag or a shoulder bag. 95% time I'm walking around w/only one strap anyway. Budget does not have Benjamin in it. Oh, yeah, I don't need to carry a laptop. I've got a flash drive :p

Start with all forms of transportation, both local and distance. Attack those by comparison and contrasts.

Check out "Scientific American" from around 1970-1973. They had an interesting article that was exactly on point. Compared to bicycling the efficiency all other means of transportation (including walking) SUCKS!

do the math.

you can look up the efficiency of a gasoline-powered engine, and electric engine, w.e.. a gas engine is only 60% (or so) efficient. electric is closer to 100% efficient (just remember that the electricity has to come from somewhere!).

take into account the weight of the vehicle itself, and the passenger. a car, weighing 2000lbs (just for the sake of a number), carrying a 150lb passenger means that that 60% efficient engine has to crank out enough joules to propel that 2150 lb object down the road. you can probably find the coefficients of friction of different surfaces and whatnot on the web (or other sources).

a bicycle, on the other hand, is powered by a human. cellular respiration is not 100% efficient, but a lot of that "waste heat" is needed to help you maintain proper body temperature to prevent enzyme denaturing. say if you were to ride on a 25lb bike, and weigh 150lbs, that 175lb object with a 80% (you can come up with your own value as to how efficient the human legs are) efficient engine is going to require far fewer joules to cover the same distance.

depends on what you call "efficient," though. if you're talking purely about how far a joule will get you, the bicycle is incredibly efficient. if you're talking about other things, like how productive it'll make you (and thus "efficient"), the bike may not be nearly as practical as a car, and could cost you a lot of time and energy that you may need to apply elsewhere.

The most efficient animal on earth in terms of weight transported over distance for energy expended is a human on a bicycle.

The most efficient machine on earth in terms of weight transported over distance for energy expended is a human on a bicycle.

I believe wind powered canal boats are more efficient than bicycles.

A bicycle is 4 or 5 times more efficient than walking.

1. I'm writing a paper on alternative transportation for my Comp I class. She looked over my rough draft and wants me to prove "that cycling is perhaps the most efficient form of transportation, aside from walking". Any opinions on how I prove something that should be common sense? (She does not accept Wikipedia as a source).

Go to the definitive book on the subject, Bicycling Science, 3rd Edition, by David Gordon Wilson (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0262731541/ref=s9subs_c1_14_img1-rfc_g1-frt_p-3237_p_si2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=0VHYTHSD719NJ6S4PKJ1&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463383351&pf_rd_i=507846). It has tables and references to engineering studies as well as physiological explanations as to why cycling is the most efficient means of transport over land by an enormous margin. At 10 mph a cyclist gets the equivalent of about 1000+ mpg. Walking doesn't come close.

Indeed. If the size of the engine(Us) wasn't so limited we would be would be using bikes for a LOT of stuff that is currently done by motorized vehicles, because for cargoes up to around 150 or so pounds bicycles beat just about anything else out there, and are additionally cheaper and easier to maintain. Look at any "developing" country and you will see bicycles being used for serious cargo transport (and personal transport), with a great deal of success. Look at a more developed country such as Japan or the Netherlands and you will see much the same thing.
EDIT: and we know the Japanese are all about efficiency, right?

Gas engine efficiency is more like 30% max and an electric motor in the 70% to 90% range depending on type. A cheap split phase motor can be even lower efficiency.

I agree about the book "Bicycling Science" and the Scientific American article. Both good references. Bicycling Science is published by MIT press and the author is a MIT Emeritus professor so if the teacher will not accept his word then she is hopeless.

1. I'm writing a paper on alternative transportation for my Comp I class. She looked over my rough draft and wants me to prove "that cycling is perhaps the most efficient form of transportation, aside from walking". Any opinions on how I prove something that should be common sense? (She does not accept Wikipedia as a source).



Good for your teacher ... you've got a great teacher there!!

There have been several studies on this, but those I remember (including the '70s Scientific American piece) are pre-computer, pre-Web. Don't know where to tell you to look for them.
Volkswagen once did an ad (also '70s?) contending that driving a VW Beetle was more efficient than walking--the energy to propel a VW 20 miles cost less than a fast-food hamburger that would fuel a human runner for the same distance, something like that (this was back when gas was about 25 cents a gallon). You could use a similar approach. Calorie consumption for various forms of human-powered locomotion is readily available online, as is the energy content of gasoline and other fuels. Convert to some common measure (calories? BTUs? Don't ask me--I'm a liberal arts major) and chart 'em out.

A study by the Australian Greenhouse Office found that cycling 7km each way to work, 5 days a week, instead of driving a car, saved around 1000kg of greenhouse gas a year. Which saves hundreds of dollars on gas and makes/keeps you fit and healthy.

I believe wind powered canal boats are more efficient than bicycles.

Until there's no wind.

To all, thanks for the references/ideas. Luckily, this is just an essay that I'm writing and not a doctoral thesis, so I don't have to be too technical.

In the subtopic on bicycling, I pointed out that you don't have to register or insure a bike, and that there are health/enviromental benefits as well.

FWIW, the other subtopics are buses and trains. I want to go to Japan now after reading about those Bullet Trains...

Until there's no wind.

So long as there is beer, brats, and beans around, running out of wind will not be a problem.:innocent:

This is an English composition class, yes? Expository writing exercise? Maybe no need for footnotes, not really a research paper.

1. I'm writing a paper on alternative transportation for my Comp I class. She looked over my rough draft and wants me to prove "that cycling is perhaps the most efficient form of transportation, aside from walking". Any opinions on how I prove something that should be common sense? (She does not accept Wikipedia as a source). "...aside from walking"??? No...including walking.

Don't accept Wikipedia as a source for any conclusions, but you can use them as a source for sources, so to speak. The good articles include a list of references.

This is an English composition class, yes? Expository writing exercise? Maybe no need for footnotes, not really a research paper.

Correct. It's an exercise to develope the understanding of writing an MLA styled paper. Three-pronged thesis statement, each subtopic in order (as mentioned in the thesis statement), in text citations, work cited page...
Minimal research is required, but that is also part of the exercise.

Biking is more effcient than walking, based on distance to calorie.
since everyone else had great responses to the paper question i'll start out with the backpack one. Ogio makes a couple great packs, i really enjoy mine. It's an Ogio Atrix, their entry-level pack, in Hi-Viz Orange. I was worried it would be too small, but I haven't had a problem going to and from school, as well as some grocery shopping trips.
If you want a messenger bag the good ones are over $100. Chrome, Timbuk2, and many others make great ones, but like i said they'll cost ya. Go large with a messenger bag, i have a small Timbuk2 one that i got off CL for cheap, and it sucks only based on the size. Another downside is you can't fit a waterbottle on the outside of it, which i like to do since my Nalgene doesn't fit in the waterbottle cage. I also like an outside pocket for coffee.

Biking is more effcient than walking, based on distance to calorie.
since everyone else had great responses to the paper question i'll start out with the backpack one. Ogio makes a couple great packs, i really enjoy mine. It's an Ogio Atrix, their entry-level pack, in Hi-Viz Orange. I was worried it would be too small, but I haven't had a problem going to and from school, as well as some grocery shopping trips.
If you want a messenger bag the good ones are over $100. Chrome, Timbuk2, and many others make great ones, but like i said they'll cost ya. Go large with a messenger bag, i have a small Timbuk2 one that i got off CL for cheap, and it sucks only based on the size. Another downside is you can't fit a waterbottle on the outside of it, which i like to do since my Nalgene doesn't fit in the waterbottle cage. I also like an outside pocket for coffee.

The commutiny college that I attend classes at offers Ogio and Jansport. I like some of the Jansport designs, but I am not conviced that they would hold up for very long. I checked out Ogio's website, spotted the Epic, and actually have the school checking their inventory at all four of the campuses to see if they have any in stock. Supposedly, the Epic has two deployable, insulated bottle holders w/drain ports. I'm hoping that it can hold a decent sized bottle.

Well no1mad, it appears that you certainly hit a gold mine in your search for info. Use it well and let us know how you did. These guys that hang around here are great. Would you agree?:thumb:

So long as there is beer, brats, and beans around, running out of wind will not be a problem.:innocent:
With that combination you would probably be able to capture enough "wind" to fuel a methane powered engine... ;)

To give an update, I received a score of 65/100. I will find out Friday night (last class of the semester) why it is so low.

Don't think that it was subject related, though. Probably had more to do with the format, especially the work cited/reference page. I was in a hurry, and MS Office '07 is a PITA. Microsoft really did idiot proof that app...

To give an update, I received a score of 65/100. I will find out Friday night (last class of the semester) why it is so low.

Don't think that it was subject related, though. Probably had more to do with the format, especially the work cited/reference page. I was in a hurry, and MS Office '07 is a PITA. Microsoft really did idiot proof that app...

Just as I had thought. Its all about form and not so much content.

Update, part deux: As I expected, over half of the markdown stemmed from the work cited/reference page.

I rode my bicycle 160 miles in less than 12 hours. How far could you walk in 12 hours? Walking is not even close to cycling in terms of efficiency. Discuss the concept of Craig Calfee making bamboo bicycles so Africans can travel long distances faster cycling than they can walking.

Kindly ask the instructor if you can clean up the reference page. Is it form?

To give an update, I received a score of 65/100. I will find out Friday night (last class of the semester) why it is so low.

Don't think that it was subject related, though. Probably had more to do with the format, especially the work cited/reference page. I was in a hurry, and MS Office '07 is a PITA. Microsoft really did idiot proof that app...

There I will agree with you. I loaded office 2007 and quickly reverted to 2003.

In writing anything the first thing you have to do is figure out what the requirements are and then you do what you have to to meet them. I would guess your score says you did not do that. But then that fact that you were asking folks on the internet to do your work for you indicates you weren't much interested in learning anyway. However your instructor deserves a lot of credit for your disinterest, so often people think the student alone is the problem, forgetting that it is the teachers job to make learning exciting.

BTW, while a bicycle is very energy efficient, it is not efficicent in most other ways. Would you like to try hauling 40 tons of corn from Iowa to Flordia on a bicycle? How about using it to take the kids socker team out for shakes? Even just by yourself how about using it to get to a business meeting across town in 30 minutes and arriving ready to walk in and make your presentation. Take those auto company executives that congress chided for flying in to the hearing, their time is worth abut $500/hour so they saved their companies about $3000 for the round trip by using the company jets (and that does not even consider that they did not come alone and that they probably worked during the trip). In the real world efficiency has to consider time, money, and energy use. A bicycle is efficient in only one of those areas.

There I will agree with you. I loaded office 2007 and quickly reverted to 2003.

In writing anything the first thing you have to do is figure out what the requirements are and then you do what you have to to meet them. I would guess your score says you did not do that. But then that fact that you were asking folks on the internet to do your work for you indicates you weren't much interested in learning anyway. However your instructor deserves a lot of credit for your disinterest, so often people think the student alone is the problem, forgetting that it is the teachers job to make learning exciting.

BTW, while a bicycle is very energy efficient, it is not efficicent in most other ways. Would you like to try hauling 40 tons of corn from Iowa to Flordia on a bicycle? How about using it to take the kids socker team out for shakes? Even just by yourself how about using it to get to a business meeting across town in 30 minutes and arriving ready to walk in and make your presentation. Take those auto company executives that congress chided for flying in to the hearing, their time is worth abut $500/hour so they saved their companies about $3000 for the round trip by using the company jets (and that does not even consider that they did not come alone and that they probably worked during the trip). In the real world efficiency has to consider time, money, and energy use. A bicycle is efficient in only one of those areas.

Don't get me wrong, I actually liked my instructor. She got my "Most Favorite Instructor in Least Favored Subject" award. I've signed up to take her Comp II class next semester (and so has all but one of my fellow classmates from the Comp I class).

The subject was on alternative transportation. I got marks for comparing a cyclist (person), an automobile (object), and boat (object) in referring to the race that BBC's Top Gear staged in my introductory paragraph.

I got marked down for saying that "the bicycle is perhaps the most efficient means of transportation, aside from walking, on the planet for an individual." She said it was a generalization, which is a no-no. I failed to prove that statement and she called me on it.

There were a couple of other minor problems w/the rest of the paper, but the majority of deduction came from the reference page.

So, even though she liked the subject matter, the grade reflected my piss poor execution.

BTW, I uninstalled '03 after installing '07 to free up some space. I might try playing w/Open Office for a couple of weeks before the next semester starts

When you move on from community college to upper division, all your papers in history, political science, will be an argument in logic.

Check out "Scientific American" from around 1970-1973. They had an interesting article that was exactly on point. Compared to bicycling the efficiency all other means of transportation (including walking) SUCKS!

Dude! I remember that article! It mentioned that the only living system that outperformed the energy-to-motion numbers of a human on a bike was a falcon squashed up into dart shaped bomb and diving eyeballs first* straight down at 120 mph. Mind, headfirst Hail Marys into a gravity hole are not real practical means of human transport unless one's goal is a man-shaped depression in a soybean field.

To No1mad, notwithstanding your teacher's "effeciency" requirement and the intellectual limitation that forces on the whole "bikes as transportation" argument, you may want to include some of the myriad other issues that go into that calculus: freight weight limitations, safety, comfort, sweat in the workplace, clothes changing facilities, office attitudes, bike security, and a bezillion other things discussed up in the Commuting forum.

* - If you've ever seen the skeleton of these guys, a striking adaptation is their bone-reinforced eye lens to keep the eyes from distorting during a dive.