Foo - Never watch..

Rules of attraction at 345 in the am. Gonna be a long ride into work now.

Never watch it period, that is one of the worst movies i have ever seen. IT SUCKS!

Rules of attraction at 345 in the am. Gonna be a long ride into work now.


When do you sleep?

I don't sleep much. Things bother me and I don't sleep much because I think about them often.

I don't sleep much. Things bother me and I don't sleep much because I think about them often.

Ditto here. I don't sleep much, and when I do sleep, I don't sleep well. Too many things floating around in my head!

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I don't sleep much. Things bother me and I don't sleep much because I think about them often.

You should be more like me. Clear conscience, no bad thoughts, and only minor vices, one of which I am quitting (smoking). I sleep the sleep of the just.

You should be more like me. Clear conscience, no bad thoughts, and only minor vices, one of which I am quitting (smoking). I sleep the sleep of the just.

You are far from the example I wish to be. It is not from being injust, or unjust. I do not like the insinuation you make TR. You sleep the sleep of the dissasociated.

You are far from the example I wish to be. It is not from being injust, or unjust. I do not like the insinuation you make TR. You sleep the sleep of the dissasociated.

Unlike you, I insinuated nothing. I merely said you should strive to clear your conscience, clear your head of bad thoughts, and go to sleep. Prior to plucking the twig from my eye, tend to the log in your own.

Unlike you, I insinuated nothing. I merely said you should strive to clear your conscience, clear your head of bad thoughts, and go to sleep. Prior to plucking the twig from my eye, tend to the log in your own.

I think the twig is attached to your wooden skull, and your thick head..

Perhaps we have a different idea of clear conscience, or I percieve your definition to be one way and it's not.

Things bother me. People I see on the streets who are homeless.. or screwed up. Single mothers. Abondon buildings. Tired faces walking about. Problems I can not solve that.. if I had an education, or a posistion of power, perhaps I could affect. Situations in movies that coorelate to life...

Unlike you, I insinuated nothing. I merely said you should strive to clear your conscience, clear your head of bad thoughts, and go to sleep. Prior to plucking the twig from my eye, tend to the log in your own.
Well, the twig in your eye is permanently attached the the wood in your thick skull. Given your post in the past with anything, most anyone can assume you're up to some sort of deviant name calling.

I prefer to worry. I do not wish to simply forget things for my own comfort. When I sleep well, it means that perhaps I've accomplished something good. Or I've put forth all the effort I'm capable off. But, lack of sleep doesn't mean what you intend.

William,

I fear you will have other "bad thoughts" that might keep you awake tonight. ;)

SteveE

Well, the twig in your eye is permanently attached the the wood in your thick skull. Given your post in the past with anything, most anyone can assume you're up to some sort of deviant name calling.

You are an angry, angry man who is letting an irrational hatred consume him. A hatred that appears to be so intense that it clouds your judgement. I pray for God to aid you in seeing past those clouds.



I prefer to worry.

Worry is one of the greatest killers of man. There is no doubt that it causes ulcers and other severe intestinal risorders. It can also lead to deep depression and stroke. I advise you to tend to that before you do yourself or your loved ones serious harm.



I do not wish to simply forget things for my own comfort.

Then how about for your own health? Are you married? Have children? What about their comfort? Being around someone who is worried about things over which he has no control is not a pleasant life. It also sounds like you are arrogating unto yourself blame where none can be attached.



When I sleep well, it means that perhaps I've accomplished something good. Or I've put forth all the effort I'm capable off.

If what you originally related is true, the occurence of the reverse is more prevalent. That indicates a deeper problem, suggesting even delusions of grandeur.



But, lack of sleep doesn't mean what you intend.

Until this post, I never intended anything. I merely related that you should emulate me, and sleep better. I never implied anything nor did I say anything that a reasonable, less angry man might improperly infer.

You are letting your irrational hatred of me - no, not me, the evil delusion named TrekRider you have created in your mind - color your perception of the someone whom you obviously have misjudged and about whom you haven't a clue. For that, I feel sorry for you and wish you well.

I have never seen Rules of Attraction. Never heard of it until just now.

You should be more like me. Clear conscience, no bad thoughts, and only minor vices, one of which I am quitting (smoking). I sleep the sleep of the just.

If hes anything like me. It has nothing to do with concience. I have been battling insomnia my entire life (average sleep of 2 to 4 hours all through highschool)...it is more of a "I can't turn off my brain" problem then "I did something bad, I am gonna mull over it all night"..

And Trek...not to defend William, but what you said did come accross like you were insinuating something. Lots of people have issues with sleep and not all of them have this problem because they have been bad ;)

TrekRider, i really like your signature, it is so true!

If hes anything like me. It has nothing to do with concience. I have been battling insomnia my entire life (average sleep of 2 to 4 hours all through highschool)...it is more of a "I can't turn off my brain" problem then "I did something bad, I am gonna mull over it all night"..


Exactly...overactive brain here, too!

And Trek...not to defend William, but what you said did come accross like you were insinuating something. Lots of people have issues with sleep and not all of them have this problem because they have been bad ;)

Here is a warning to everyone who posts on the 'net in any forum, other than political ones. Never assume the post has an underlying meaning or that poster is attempting to say one thing while saying another, that is, insinuation. You only get yourself in deep trouble.

Take what is said at face value. What I said was simple, straight forward and to the point. It was about me. Period. I didn't say or imply anything about anyone else. If anyone read it that way, as did William, you cannot fault me. I tried to explain that and he bit my head off.

For some reason, he has a grudge against me, well, no, against a mythical TrekRider he has constructed in his mind and then mistakenly takes it out on me. For that, I see no need to apologize.

Well ok Trek. I don't particularily care about what you wrote previously. But maybe you should be more careful with your wording. The insinuation is there. Unless you were creating a dig against him directly.

And no offence, even at face value, what you are saying is, insomnia is created because of a guilty concience. If you were as clear concienced as me you could sleep anytime you want. I am not reading into anything. Thats the post ;)

As for the rest...I have no idea. I don't venture out of the mountain bike forum area much :)

I tried to explain that and he bit my head off.
Did you ever stop to think that maybe he just does not like you? I know you 2 have butted heads before, but who hasn't with you? Just my insight, not necessarily the reality of what is going on here...

Wow its crazy how we go from Rules of Attraction to 2 people hating and fighting each other...this place is great! :)

Well ok Trek. I don't particularily care about what you wrote previously. But maybe you should be more careful with your wording. The insinuation is there. Unless you were creating a dig against him directly.

And no offence, even at face value, what you are saying is, insomnia is created because of a guilty concience. If you were as clear concienced as me you could sleep anytime you want. I am not reading into anything. Thats the post ;)

As for the rest...I have no idea. I don't venture out of the mountain bike forum area much :)


Ah....well, I could explain it, yet again, for perhaps the fifth time, but does not anyone understand the difference between imply and infer? It seems not.

I don't usually like these type of discussions, but this one appears to be quite obvious and a lot of you seem to be screaming right past each other.

William Karsten said "I don't sleep much." He attributed this fact to "Things bother me and I don't sleep much because I think about them often."

Sounds like he has a lot on his conscience. The reasoning, then, is if he were to have a clear conscience, perhaps he would be able to sleep better.

I saw no insinuation at all in what TrekRider posted. He was just saying how he was able to sleep and offered a suggestion.

Given the acrimony displayed, this will probably put me on the opposite side from the "angels."

I'm tired.

<did I say that right 165-48:17?>

Now I remember why I don't leave the mountain bike forum much anymore. Back to my hole.

I'm tired.

<did I say that right 165-48:17?>
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Spot ON!

3:48 -looked 3 min ago- is the saucer ready?

You are an angry, angry man who is letting an irrational hatred consume him. A hatred that appears to be so intense that it clouds your judgement. I pray for God to aid you in seeing past those clouds..

I am angry at many things you are correct. But I am angry at things that rational people should be angry about.





Worry is one of the greatest killers of man. There is no doubt that it causes ulcers and other severe intestinal risorders. It can also lead to deep depression and stroke. I advise you to tend to that before you do yourself or your loved ones serious harm..
You strecht to far here. You reach, as you do often in your post.





Then how about for your own health? Are you married? Have children? What about their comfort? Being around someone who is worried about things over which he has no control is not a pleasant life. It also sounds like you are arrogating unto yourself blame where none can be attached..

Let me get a little bit involved here now, as before, this wasn't really much of anything but another post by Trekrider, self proclaimed and self righteous..

You've got not a place to judge me, and my family life. You are so deluded in your view of the world I doubt you can do anything but focus on your hate of the non christians of the world. It's been evident in posting in other places that you have nothing but disgust for those that don't follow your path.
You would with this post, bate me into posting the status of my family. Let me assure you, I'm not your typical knee jerk responsive poster.

Keep on subject. I have no guilt other than not being able to solve problems that I veiw day to day. Not guilt that I've commited a crime, but guilt that there are things in the world that are wrong and I'd like them not to be. But I take action.. you.. you post here with your self righteous bull****.. and do nothing else. So long as it's a tailwind, you're ok with it right?






That indicates a deeper problem, suggesting even delusions of grandeur. Until this post, I never intended anything. I merely related that you should emulate me, and sleep better.
You know what's funny is how you first claim that you meant nothing about my consceince being clouded with evil guilt... But the above combination is funnier: I have a "deeper problem" and "delesuions of grandeur".. And then you come back and say "emulate me".

Tell me oh wise one, how exactly special do you think you are? How full of your self are you? Did you stand on the brow of the titanic and swear that the boat could not sink?



You are letting your irrational hatred of me - no, not me, the evil delusion named TrekRider you have created in your mind - color your perception of the someone whom you obviously have misjudged and about whom you haven't a clue. For that, I feel sorry for you and wish you well.

What you miss here, is that I don't hate you. I've never even met you. My perception is that you're an extremely judgemental person who loves to tell other people what's wrong with the world, but offer only one solution, but in all reality, you don't even act to help with your solution. You're a internet preaching do nothing.. and nothing else. There's not hate. Really, you're just a screen name that is annoying.

Sigh........

Okay, I give up. I just flat give up. I was trying to offer a suggestion and you didn't want it.

Sigh.......

I apologize for any misconceptions my post may have caused and to any who may have taken offense where none was intended, I also apologize.

Sigh........

Okay, I give up. I just flat give up. I was trying to offer a suggestion and you didn't want it.

Sigh.......

I apologize for any misconceptions my post may have caused and to any who may have taken offense where none was intended, I also apologize.

Really, all that was trying to be said in the beggining is that the movie was disturbing. From there.. it was a down hill run.

Really, all that was trying to be said in the beggining is that the movie was disturbing. From there.. it was a down hill run.

Well, perhaps it should have been left there....never mind.......

Well, perhaps it should have been left there....never mind.......

Do you loose sleep over your inability not to reply?

:D

Do you loose sleep over your inability not to reply?

:D

Well, sometimes I get up early and take a few minutes before I leave for work to overcome that inability, but I wouldn't say I lost sleep over that.

I read voraciously, everything from techno-thirllers to bicycle maintenance books to several different cycling magazines to my wife's Shape and yoga magazines. Sometimes I fall asleep before 8:30 when what I am reading starts to drag, like an in-depth investigative report on the history of the rising dog position. :p

Since I am nearing 60, I don't need as much sleep as I once did, 6 1/2 hours is plenty. I am up by 3 or 3:30 on those nights and since I don't have to be to work, ten minutes away, until 5, what else to do except overcome inabilities?

Oops, that was the long answer.

The short answer is I overcame the urge and didn't reply. ;)

Well, sometimes I get up early and take a few minutes before I leave for work to overcome that inability, but I wouldn't say I lost sleep over that.

I read voraciously, everything from techno-thirllers to bicycle maintenance books to several different cycling magazines to my wife's Shape and yoga magazines. Sometimes I fall asleep before 8:30 when what I am reading starts to drag, like an in-depth investigative report on the history of the rising dog position. :p

Since I am nearing 60, I don't need as much sleep as I once did, 6 1/2 hours is plenty. I am up by 3 or 3:30 on those nights and since I don't have to be to work, ten minutes away, until 5, what else to do except overcome inabilities?

Oops, that was the long answer.

The short answer is I overcame the urge and didn't reply. ;)

Now I'm dizzy. You didn't reply, or actually resisted the reply, and then posted a reply to say you didn't.. or you didn't resist and posted, but covered it up by saying you didn't.. Whoa. I'm lost.

You read Yoga Magazines and can still be awake? Wow, now that's something to brag about. Those would even put ME to sleep. My nieghbors wouldn't let me live it down if we subscribed.

Now I'm dizzy. You didn't reply, or actually resisted the reply, and then posted a reply to say you didn't.. or you didn't resist and posted, but covered it up by saying you didn't.. Whoa. I'm lost.

You read Yoga Magazines and can still be awake? Wow, now that's something to brag about. Those would even put ME to sleep. My nieghbors wouldn't let me live it down if we subscribed.

Hey! What is wrong with yoga magazines?? :D

You read Yoga Magazines and can still be awake? Wow, now that's something to brag about. Those would even put ME to sleep.

Looks like you've found your insomnia cure ;)

I often don't sleep well. Part of why I enjoy a good work out is that, afterwards, when I'm practically hallucinating from the endorphens, I know I'm gonna sleep really well tonite. It's a good feeling... almost as good as the good rest.

PS. It came across as insinuating to me, as well, although I assumed it was not intended to be. Minor miss-communcation that's got waaayy out of hand.

I can relate to William's dilemma. Things I previously never gave a thought to worry me also. I tend to chew on them well into the wee hours of the night. I used to sleep the sleep of(as TrekRider put it), the sleep of the just. Over the last 10 years, that has changed. Frequent bouts of insomnia have invaded my life. And I hate it. Cycling hard helps with the sleep factor. But not always.

Looks like you've found your insomnia cure ;)

But I'd have to subscribe. And it'd ruin my fragile image.. :D

Hmmm, long rides to help you sleep. Is that kinda like going numb?

Hmmm, long rides to help you sleep. Is that kinda like going numb?

Hah! Thats why TR sleeps so well, he's sittin on his... never mind.
:D

Now I'm dizzy. You didn't reply, or actually resisted the reply, and then posted a reply to say you didn't.. or you didn't resist and posted, but covered it up by saying you didn't.. Whoa. I'm lost.

That's right, you're wrong! I successfully didn't resist the urge to not reply.



You read Yoga Magazines and can still be awake? Wow, now that's something to brag about. Those would even put ME to sleep. My nieghbors wouldn't let me live it down if we subscribed.

I took yoga for a while and still do it on my own and my wife still goes to classes. The stretching and balance exercises really wake you up and make your muscles aware that they are for more than sitting on the saddle and pedaling. A lot of them will strengthen your legs to a point where you should be able to pedal all day and makes your stomach muscles capable of supporting you in the drops without putting pressure on your hands and arms. I am not to that point yet, but am still aiming for it.

I took yoga for a while and still do it on my own and my wife still goes to classes. The stretching and balance exercises really wake you up and make your muscles aware that they are for more than sitting on the saddle and pedaling. A lot of them will strengthen your legs to a point where you should be able to pedal all day and makes your stomach muscles capable of supporting you in the drops without putting pressure on your hands and arms. I am not to that point yet, but am still aiming for it.

I think yoga would intefere with my sledge hammer practice in the back yard. That, and I don't think I can fit the mat in my bag.

That's right, you're wrong! I successfully didn't resist the urge to not reply.


I'm having trouble standing up now.

But I'd have to subscribe. And it'd ruin my fragile image.. :D

You'd only need one copy. The best thing about that is that more you re-read it the better it'll work as an insomnia cure.

Damn.3:50.. rules..no attraction..nice ride home and safe...

I successfully didn't resist the urge to not reply.


Orwellian 'Newspeak' at its finest. My socks off to you TR

man you guys remind me of me ... i watched some weak hallamark hall of fame movie on cbs last night and ended up watchin tv till like 1am cause i couldnt sleep cause i was excited about maybe buying a new frame.

I've always slept great. The only time I don't sleep well is when I take my damn adderall (perscription speed for those who don't know). But for those who have too many thoughts to sleep, every think of smoking up before you hit the sack? I've done meditation and smoking some ganga if I can't sleep, both seem to help quite a bit. Smoking helps more than anything though. Peace.

<snip> smoking some ganga if I can't slee<snip>

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