Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - the #1 MUST have part for performance.

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td.tony
11-29-08, 04:49 PM
what single part did you switch out or put on your bike that made the biggest difference in feel or performance??

for me it would probably be my Eggbeater type C pedals with my pearl izumi mtb shoes. i really wasnt expecting much but they made a HUGE difference. i can definitely pedal harder and faster since my feet are secure and planted, its like day and night compared to the cheap plastic toe straps i used to have.


Thetank
11-29-08, 04:59 PM
Nothing will give you more actual power to the wheels than working on the engine itself. Best upgrade i ever did was to stop smoking and healthier diet.

bbattle
11-29-08, 05:06 PM
+1 Work on the engine. Get to the gym. HTFU and ride all winter. Climb everything. Repeat.


[Mr.B]
11-29-08, 05:09 PM
+2 on engine. eat healthy, stay in shape

ZiP0082
11-29-08, 05:10 PM
for me: swapping the stock stuff for a 46t sugino chainring and 17t EAI cog (well, that's 2 parts).

synapsemusic
11-29-08, 05:15 PM
spoke cards

td.tony
11-29-08, 05:18 PM
i got much stronger and my endurance went way up after the first 3 weeks of biking but now i think i need to clean up my diet in order to keep getting better. sometimes i eat BK or Chipotle right after a 30 mile bike ride lol.

667
11-29-08, 05:19 PM
its like day and night compared to the cheap plastic toe straps i used to have.

It's probably like twilight and night compared to quality moderately priced toe straps.

Mr Wiggles
11-29-08, 05:21 PM
saddle, spent more time riding since it was comfortable...would be first thing to change on any new bicycle i got

667
11-29-08, 05:30 PM
Changing the gear ratio made the biggest difference for me.

Eyestrain
11-29-08, 05:34 PM
clipless pedals

supercub
11-29-08, 05:36 PM
Switching drops for bullhorns made a pretty big difference, because I... um... touch it a lot.

uke
11-29-08, 05:37 PM
Cyclecomputer. Knowing my speed is great.

Taylor Mefford
11-29-08, 05:38 PM
Pbr

nayr497
11-29-08, 05:43 PM
Dear tony, just keep in mind that a large portion of the people in this subforum don't ride bicycles far enough, long enough, or often enough to be cognizant of performance differences. Most of the people in here are relatively new to cycling, or are doing it for the first time since they were 12 and are not necessarily driven/focused on performance. As long as their bicycle makes them look a certain way in whatever city they live in or on whatever campus they are on, they could care less if the bottom bracket is full of sand or if their saddle-to-bar drop gives them incredible neck pain.

A good illustration of how inconsequential performance is can be demonstrated by the fact that people continually put Vittoria Zaffiros on their bikes, even nice ones like Makinos, because they come in all white. They have something like 60 tpi, when for the same price you can get Vittoria or Continentals with 250 tpi or more.

Just keep that in mind.

To answer the question: really nice tires can completely change the feel of a bike. Riding clipless is a revolution and makes cycling more fun and allows you to go faster.

Mr Wiggles
11-29-08, 05:47 PM
Nilbog is goblin spelled backwards!!! (I'm a fan as well)

blankgen
11-29-08, 06:02 PM
Probably my saddle. Although clipless pedals and bibs are also up there.

Jabba Degrassi
11-29-08, 06:13 PM
Dear tony, just keep in mind that a large portion of the people in this subforum don't ride bicycles far enough, long enough, or often enough to be cognizant of performance differences. Most of the people in here are relatively new to cycling, or are doing it for the first time since they were 12 and are not necessarily driven/focused on performance. As long as their bicycle makes them look a certain way in whatever city they live in or on whatever campus they are on, they could care less if the bottom bracket is full of sand or if their saddle-to-bar drop gives them incredible neck pain.

A good illustration of how inconsequential performance is can be demonstrated by the fact that people continually put Vittoria Zaffiros on their bikes, even nice ones like Makinos, because they come in all white. They have something like 60 tpi, when for the same price you can get Vittoria or Continentals with 250 tpi or more.

Just keep that in mind.

To answer the question: really nice tires can completely change the feel of a bike. Riding clipless is a revolution and makes cycling more fun and allows you to go faster.

Are you sure you're from Nilbog? You sound like you're from Llort.

Adam G.
11-29-08, 08:17 PM
The rider, plain and simple.

td.tony
11-29-08, 08:20 PM
Probably my saddle. Although clipless pedals and bibs are also up there.

do bibs really differ that much from regular biking shorts??? whenever i see bibs i always just skim over them i never really considered them cuz they are more expensive than regular biking shorts.

betaZenji
11-29-08, 08:27 PM
Bibs are pretty crazy. Everyone I personally know that has tried them swears by them. I love them myself, they are just really comfortable (if you find the right fit) and they cover the lower back which is a bonus for sure.

bigbris1
11-29-08, 08:32 PM
My Selle Titanio saddle. I kept forgetting to check & see if it's comfortable when I first put it on.

Also, elkhide bar wrap. I went through like 10 rolls of bar wrap before this & now will use nothing else.

td.tony
11-29-08, 08:37 PM
^ i might have to give the bibs a try. thanks for the info.




To answer the question: really nice tires can completely change the feel of a bike. Riding clipless is a revolution and makes cycling more fun and allows you to go faster.

any recomendtions on a specific brand or type of tire? half of the miles i log are on flat street pavement and the other half is usually on public mountain roads. I get a little nervous everytime i lean into a hairpin on the downhill because i hear the stock kendas on my bike suck. but i dont really need new tires yet, im sure im not using them to their full potential yet.

blankgen
11-29-08, 08:41 PM
do bibs really differ that much from regular biking shorts??? whenever i see bibs i always just skim over them i never really considered them cuz they are more expensive than regular biking shorts.

I like my bibs a lot more than my shorts and 90% of the shorts that I have tried on. It might just be coincidence but bibs seem to do a better job supporting my junk than shorts do. The shorts do well when riding upright but I have to readjust after switching between the tops and drops. I haven't tried any super high end shorts though.

Not having an elasticized/draw string waistband is also way comfy.

varsity
11-29-08, 08:55 PM
You guys make good points about riding clipless. I hadn't considered running clipless on a fg or track bike, mostlly because I can't be bothered to change shoes for my 3-mile commute. But for longer rides, I can see how it'd make a substantial difference.

Also, on bibs, they're amazing. I wear bibs as opposed to shorts because when you're really leaned over, bibs distribute pressure all along the torso's front side, as opposed to how a waistband digs in on the waist.

The biggest comfort-related revelation for me has been a proper fitting. I paid $150 for a guy to put me on a medieval-torture-device-cycle-looking thing, take measurements, make me crank up to 120rpm in 5rpm increments, then hand me a printout of numbers in Dutch. He also fixed my bikes to make them fit better, and I can now ride with basically zero pain/pressure/numbness. 100% worth every penny.

uke
11-29-08, 08:59 PM
In addition to a computer, lights have also improved my game. Being able to see at night is a good thing.

td.tony
11-29-08, 09:00 PM
My Selle Titanio saddle. I kept forgetting to check & see if it's comfortable when I first put it on.

Also, elkhide bar wrap. I went through like 10 rolls of bar wrap before this & now will use nothing else.

Elk hide ay? i just found them on velo-orange but i dont think i would be able to stitch them myself. how long did it take you??

jhaber
11-29-08, 09:02 PM
Going clipless. Getting new rims/wheels.

Geordi Laforge
11-29-08, 09:33 PM
a quality wheelset that is built or at least properly tensioned and trued by a pro goes along way.

yoyosup
11-29-08, 09:33 PM
Gear ratio - going from 52/18 to 45/18. SPINZ 4 LIFE!!

nayr497
11-29-08, 10:11 PM
Elk hide. I don't understand the benefits of this. Ten rolls? What were you doing - wearing it out? tearing it? I have had elk hide on toe clips but regular old Cinelli cork tape has held up for over five years on one of my bicycles. Elk hide is nice to squeeze, but I don't understand how it is superior in terms of lifespan.

Bibs. They are nice. It also depends on how fat/skinny you are. If you have any sort of gut, bibs are nice as they don't get rolled down when you get into the drops. Any sort of shorts with a chamois are a major upgrade for people riding in pants and boxers. Shorts are nice, bibs are better because they don't cut you in half. Bibs are also great in colder weather because they offer more coverage and you can tuck in/wear a longsleeve underneath and pull the shoulder straps on.

Tires. The single biggest change you can make, in my opinion. Kendas are TERRIBLE. I have a pair on my commuter (trying to save some money, really stupid) and they give me an up/down ride and I crashed on them in moderately wet weather the other week. I have some Continental Grand Prix 4000s and they are far and away the nicest tire I've ever ridden. No flats, great cornering, great wear. They are a great balance of flat protection and ride quality. I sometimes ride Gatorskins in the winter (more debris in the road) and when I switch to nicer tires in the spring I always have to check to see if I've flatted because the ride is so much smoother. I like Vittorias as well, but have had bad luck lately with them. Apparently some are made in Italy and some are made in Thailand. I'd suggest Conti GPs in 700x25.

Clipless. Any switch to them is a major upgrade, regardless of pedal/shoe combination. As for not wanting to use them for short rides, check out some Shimano recessed shoes. I was reluctant to give up my clips/straps on one of my bikes because I liked being able to wear whatever shoes I had on. First, I generally wore one or two pairs of shoes, as they fit into my clips the best. Second, I picked up some older Shimano shoes for $2.13 that have recessed cleats. They look like hiking shoes and I can walk in them, but can ride clipless. All the benefits, none of the drawbacks. I do know the annoyance of walking around in road cleats/shoes.

bigbris1
11-29-08, 10:15 PM
Elk hide ay? i just found them on velo-orange but i dont think i would be able to stitch them myself. how long did it take you??

Not long to stitch, about 1.5 hrs, since I did a simple over & under stitch. It is really easy to stitch on.

http://velospace.org/files/Orange8.jpg

It took me several months to pull the trigger, but boy am I glad I did! Well worth the $28, very well worth it. Plus, you'll have enough left over to make toe clip protectors.

bigbris1
11-29-08, 10:20 PM
Elk hide. I don't understand the benefits of this. Ten rolls? What were you doing - wearing it out? tearing it? I have had elk hide on toe clips but regular old Cinelli cork tape has held up for over five years on one of my bicycles. Elk hide is nice to squeeze, but I don't understand how it is superior in terms of lifespan.

Buy it & try getting the needle through it before you realize it has holes already in it for stitching. Then you'll know where the worth comes in. Plus it stitches on & looks awesome. Cork wrap just can NOT compare. Really.

melon
11-30-08, 12:15 AM
its three things but whatever-

clipless- for me its all about time atacs, best option for skidding.

tires- continental gp 4000's, i ride them all year, good in wet. average puncture protection, but im willing to sacrifice that for a fast smooth ride.

water bottle- for a long time i never really bothered to carry fluid, and just ignored my thirst till i rolled past a shop. having a bottle with me allows me to ride further, and is a nice psychological boost.

Soil_Sampler
11-30-08, 12:45 AM
what single part did you switch out or put on your bike
that made the biggest difference in feel or performance??


light, aero wheelset.

andre nickatina
11-30-08, 01:13 AM
Just gonna echo what most people have said and say clipless, bike fit, tires and saddle. If those things aren't dialed in, riding a bike sucks (well, clipless isn't absolutely necessary...).

stryper
11-30-08, 01:24 AM
I am building a new bike right now, but since it's not yet complete I am not sure how much the components will change the ride. Small things I have changed in the past that all helped a lot were bar tape and saddle. If either of those aren't comfortable you won't even want to ride.

1 thing for sure though that helps a lot is nicer cloths. I just got some pearl izumi sleeves/ arm warmers for only $20 and they are fantastic. It is getting cold now (usually around 50 degrees at night) and my arms would just freeze. I found a jacket was no good though cause my back would get too hot. Sleeves were perfect since they are thick, soft, and kept me warm without being hot.
Also just got some cycling pants from performance bike for $60 (wind and waterproof front panels) and they are really nice instead of baggy jeans, which would start to rub after more than 10 or so miles. They are really soft, supportive, and again warm without being hot.

neverjared
11-30-08, 01:48 AM
Girl jeans.

Properly set up loose ball bearing bottom bracket.

Intel i7 processor.

Male anatomy.

Geordi Laforge
11-30-08, 02:00 AM
I am building a new bike right now, but since it's not yet complete I am not sure how much the components will change the ride. Small things I have changed in the past that all helped a lot were bar tape and saddle. If either of those aren't comfortable you won't even want to ride.

1 thing for sure though that helps a lot is nicer cloths. I just got some pearl izumi sleeves/ arm warmers for only $20 and they are fantastic. It is getting cold now (usually around 50 degrees at night) and my arms would just freeze. I found a jacket was no good though cause my back would get too hot. Sleeves were perfect since they are thick, soft, and kept me warm without being hot.
Also just got some cycling pants from performance bike for $60 (wind and waterproof front panels) and they are really nice instead of baggy jeans, which would start to rub after more than 10 or so miles. They are really soft, supportive, and again warm without being hot.

50 degrees is cold? man, I wish it were 50 degrees here.

td.tony
11-30-08, 02:36 AM
so far two recomendations on the continental 4000's. any other recomendations for other brands of tires? seems like the continentals are a favorite.

Also, if i go with the conti GP's would the lower chance of getting a flat justify taking out my tire liner? or would the extra weight from the tire liner not make much of a difference anyways?? i HAD to get the tire liners with my kendas, i got 2 flats in the first 2 weeks of riding.....glass and thorn. yesterday i checked my tires and found another thorn in the front but my tube didnt lose air so i know the liners were doing their job.

queerpunk
11-30-08, 05:03 AM
You guys make good points about riding clipless. I hadn't considered running clipless on a fg or track bike, mostlly because I can't be bothered to change shoes for my 3-mile commute. But for longer rides, I can see how it'd make a substantial difference.

Yeah. I used to have a 24 mile round trip commute. Plus, anywhere else I wanted to go was 12-15 miles away from my house. I rode clipless all the time. Now, I live a lot closer to stuff I do, and I want to wear sneakers more often. So I picked up some clips and good straps and put them on my daily, and I'm a happy camper.

Clipless pedals are my best performance upgrade.
A good saddle is my best comfort upgrade.
More subjective is, handlebars that are right for the bike's purposes (including Crit drops and B125s instead of deep track drops).
I'd also add, proper maintenance, clean/lubed chain and properly inflated tires.

The basics.

The cool thing about fixed gear bikes is that it doesn't take a whole lot to make them go. They're the ****ing Flintstone cars of bikes.

miahmiah
11-30-08, 06:08 AM
spoke cards

hahahah aero

MIN
11-30-08, 07:50 AM
Stuff that roadies use translate well into long fixed gear rides: brakes, clipless, bibs, proper fit and water bottle cages.

Ironically, my next fixed gear will likely have none of these things.

667
11-30-08, 08:35 AM
50 degrees is cold? man, I wish it were 50 degrees here.

I was just thinking the same thing.

dmg
11-30-08, 08:38 AM
any recomendtions on a specific brand or type of tire?

The important thing is threads per inch (TPI) - it will make the casing more solid which will dramatically improve the cornering and generally under high-stress situations. The downside to this is cost and to a lesser extent durability (most cheaper commuter type tires are 60 TPI or thereabouts, which is fine for normal riding around situations). max PSI is also important if you're looking for speed, although it'll make for a harsher ride. I would recommend Continental Gatorskins as the best of both worlds - they're 170tpi, can go up to 120psi (well, the 25mm ones can, anyway), have flat protection, and you can get them for $40 or less.

onetwentyeight
11-30-08, 08:50 AM
getting a super high TPI tire on a brakeless track bike is a waste of money unless the bike is actually being used for racing. (gatorskin in the front, randonneur in the back)

clipless would be my suggestion, followed by a well built, lighter set of wheels on good hubs.

MIN
11-30-08, 10:18 AM
Continental's TPI count is a count of all three layers of their 60 TPI overlapped casing. It's misleading because most other brands count the TPI of a single layer.

tmh657
11-30-08, 11:02 AM
So I got a Michelin Orium for the rear because I wanted a red tire to match the front Forte DC pro.
Michelin is a whopping 33 TPI and the Forte is 120 TPI.
I was about to go get me some Vittoria Pro at 120 TPI since it comes in red, (that's another subject)
Lot's of conflicting info here so my confusion persists.

I have Gatorskins on my other ride and they seem to roll just fine although I have had one get a giant gash in it.

Is there a definitive word on the tire subject or will it remain at_ your mileage may vary?

I gave up the Velocity deep V's and now have a Campy road hub up front to open pros and a LF Dura Ace in the rear to OP's so I have light strong wheels.

diaper eater
11-30-08, 11:11 AM
Pbr

this fella has the right idea!

diaper eater
11-30-08, 11:14 AM
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/horts002/DSCN2397.jpg

that and time atacs. so sick of tearing threads off hubs