Advocacy & Safety - Banned from cycling

I'm a high school senior, and a week ago, my dad randomly told me I couldn't ride anymore because its too dangerous. Its only been a week since, but bumming rides/walking 4 miles has gotten quite repetitive already. My parents say I should start driving, but I think I'd fall asleep driving at 6:30am.

This (http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&saddr=39.352352,-84.307795&daddr=N+Mason+Montgomery+Rd+to:Windmere+Way&hl=en&geocode=%3BFXjNWAId5JD5-g%3BFYj2WAIdP8P5-g&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=15&via=1&sll=39.354675,-84.307108&sspn=0.020375,0.038624&ie=UTF8&ll=39.369075,-84.301786&spn=0.040741,0.077248&t=h&z=14) is most of my route, which I admit is a bit questionable (35mph rural roads, real speed is around 45), but I feel safe with a superflash, 4 feet of reflective tape, a fluorescent hoodie, and a 606a q5 helmet light. In the three months I've been riding, I've only had one close call (which in retrospect wasn't really that close at all).

What would any of you do in a situation like this? Apparently my dad knows someone (http://www.davidtryan.com/) who was killed on a bike (and no one in a car crash), and he always emphasizes how a car provides a 3000lb shield in the event of an accident.

Well, from the map view, it looks like you have 4 lane roads for most of the way. That can help make the ride safer.

Having been in your position (teenager here as well), if you parent's say no, then you have to respect that and do not go against their wishes.

Something you may want to consider is getting (asking?) for is a cheap helmet cam and show them your commute. Or even take your dad on a ride and ride the route on the weekend or something similar.

If they are forcing you to drive, however, I would expect them to compensate for a significant portion of the cost of driving, like gas and insurance.

Not much you can do until you're living on your own. I'd advise letting it go until the spring, building good terms with him until then, and trying again if you're still interested in riding then. In the meantime, you can still ride to other places.

Yeah, dealing with parents is (obviously) different for everyone. Tell them that you hate having to rely on others for rides and walking so far. And of course a car is way too much to pay for... the car, gas, insurance, etc, a bike really is much cheaper =D If nothing else give it some time and see if they change their opinion by then, maybe a few more weeks or even until the winter has passed. Taking your dad on a ride seems like a good idea as well.

3.4 miles each way is not an unreasonable distance to walk or jog. I cover at least 5.5mi on a typical workday, and you are much younger than I am.

Tell them to read the 1978 survey published by Kenneth Cross and Gary Fisher. After you read it yourself of course, and then assure them you don't do all of the stupid things that get cyclists injured.

I can guarantee that will help, but at least you spread some knowledge...Parents are often just clueless

Then Daddy should welcome the opportunity to pay for your car, insurance, gas, and maintenance. Does he have any idea what car insurance costs for an under 18 driver?

Unfunded mandates suck anywhere they're applied.

whats the worse they can do if you don't obey them?

whats the worse they can do if you don't obey them?

Make his life miserable. I wouldn't advise disobeying.

Since your dad's concern here is the perceived danger, you need to demonstrate/prove that riding is not as dangerous as he thinks, especially when one takes the proper safety precautions and rides in a prudent manner. Consider this your assignment.

if cars are so safe why do they need airbags and seat belts and impact zones? the illusion that metal cage makes you safe is really pretty pathetic. the non car more of transportation is not safe argument based on no facts is pretty common. I guess thats what happens when people become so car dependent that can't imagine any other way to get around.
being a kid sucks glad I am done with it (G)

Bummer.. I'd be distraught...Not much you can do until you are 18... Maybe when Spring comes and its light later, they will change their minds. Meanwhile, all you have is quiet persuasion... And some men cyclists complain of controlling wives.. Not letting them ride.. Glad mine does not have that much authority over me.. She knows I'd be impossible to live with.. Remember that when going out on dates...

being a kid sucks glad I am done with it (G)

Being a parent can sometimes suck too. Cut Dad some slack - it's every parent's worst nightmare to have to bury their own child, and Dad's right about one thing - in a collision between a car and a bike, the bike loses every time (F=MA). To the OP, be patient and try to show him why your route is safe, and if the route you take is truly a safe one and you can demonstrate you know how to ride that route safely, you'll likely be able to get him to relent with time. Just don't forget he sees his primary job as getting you to adulthood in one piece.

If your parents are telling you to drive a car and you are saying, "well, I would rather ride a bicycle", then you are one VERY unique and cool cat. It is usually in reverse.

I would abide by your parents request, but make express your desire to ride a bicycle at the same time.

Can I adopt you?

I have been trying to get my high school senior daughter to ride a bike. She won't, but has no problem at all driving. Well, she didn't have a problem until she wadded up the OL's minivan a few weeks ago.

Wow, surprised no-one saying stand up to your dad! You're a teenager, you're supposed to argue with your parents. What can he really do anyway? You can make his life just as miserable as he can make yours - just don't blink first.

Or hide your bike a little way down the road, start walking, then get on the bike when you're out of his sight.

Im a parent of a bicycle commuter........
Its awesome that my offspring is into bikes the way he is instead of
the usual fast car stuff his peers are. Finally something I succeeded at :lol:
But, knowing the bad stuff that can/will come to him as a daily rider, it is very
troubling and worrisome when he goes out.
Do you have a real nice helmet and that kind of stuff ?? Make token gestures
desigened to show how safety concience you are. Keep working on it. Its great
when the next generation makes a decision to go against the status quo for thier
own betterment, but beyond that, parents never stop worrying about their kids.
Its just human nature. :)

You can tell who is a parent and who isn't.

You have exactly 1 side of this story with absolutely no fact checking at all. Making any kind of call in that circumstance is unwarranted.

I wish critical thinking would be taught in schools. We have it in our home school program.

On this issue, presenting a real case with real numbers and statistics that you understand in a balanced and objective way may allow reopening the discussion. Just whining will harden the opponents stance.

And to those who suggest making things difficult - shut up. That's the most stupid suggestion I've read here. It's difficult enough being a parent and having a teenager when the teenager is behaving.

And to teenagers. You're immature hormonally challenged beginners underestimating the real challenges of everything and overestimating your limited abilities in generally handling life. Exceptions exist, but that's the general rule.

Walk into the issue gently and really discuss it. That's about the only way a resolution really gets made.

Push really hard and come the legal age, you're out on the street. Cold and very very alone. I have seen it happen.

Learn to negotiate, learn to listen, learn to manage money, learn to learn, and especially learn to cook really well without recipes. That's the ticket. Also the way to a girl's/boy's heart. That good cooking stuff. That and music. I had a girl over once, cooked her a nice meal, played her some piano, didn't try to kiss her, was just glad for some company. She's still here 16 years later!

Thanks for the replies;

Firstly, there's no safer route - the "4-lane" arterial is actually a 55mph 2-lane rural route. I don't really see anything I can do to change my dad's mind - he hasn't ridden in decades and I don't see him riding on a rural road. And its kind of hard to convince a rational person that riding 15mph on a bike is safer on an unlit rural road than 45mph (traffic speed) in a car. I'm not going to disobey him, though I did ride around my neighborhood this morning. I'm just waiting for college right now, which fortunately is less than a year away-They've already told me that they don't have a problem with me riding when the speed differential is 15mph or less.

As for the car driving thing, my parents would, at least initially, subsidize most of the costs. I just don't see the point - the only currently available parking lot is a 15-minute walk from the front of the school (with a 15-minute drive assuming traffic), at which point I might as well have made the 50-minute walk home (riding took about 15-20 minutes, and I could park adjacent to the school doorway).

3.4 miles each way is not an unreasonable distance to walk or jog. I cover at least 5.5mi on a typical workday, and you are much younger than I am.

That's an hour walk. That's an unreasonable distance.

Thanks for the replies;

Firstly, there's no safer route - the "4-lane" arterial is actually a 55mph 2-lane rural route. I don't really see anything I can do to change my dad's mind - he hasn't ridden in decades and I don't see him riding on a rural road. And its kind of hard to convince a rational person that riding 15mph on a bike is safer on an unlit rural road than 45mph (traffic speed) in a car. I'm not going to disobey him, though I did ride around my neighborhood this morning. I'm just waiting for college right now, which fortunately is less than a year away-They've already told me that they don't have a problem with me riding when the speed differential is 15mph or less.

As for the car driving thing, my parents would, at least initially, subsidize most of the costs. I just don't see the point - the only currently available parking lot is a 15-minute walk from the front of the school (with a 15-minute drive assuming traffic), at which point I might as well have made the 50-minute walk home (riding took about 15-20 minutes, and I could park adjacent to the school doorway).

You're safer in the car and it doesn't matter how you cut it. However, the margin of extra danger on the bike is tiny. It's not likely to kill you: The overall incidence of death is higher than the incidence of death while cycling. This is probably due to the extra care one takes while cycling that we often fail to apply to other activities like eating, not smoking and not binge drinking ;).

Your father should find something better to worry about like teen pregnancy. But you still have to listen to him (I'm supposed to tell you that).

I wish critical thinking would be taught in schools. We have it in our home school program.


It is, or at least it was for me. This seems to be a common misconception (I assume you're in the US). Your public school might be filled with inept teachers but that's not universal.

You're safer in the car and it doesn't matter how you cut it.

Really? And just where are you getting your statistics? Assumptions?

Fact of the matter is that cycling is safer per hour riding than driving...

'facts' like these are why people are afraid to ride a bike... You're on a cycling forum... the least you could do is check the facts before spouting off nonsense about cars being safer than bikes.

Yes... in the event of an actual, high-speed accident... you may very well be safer in a car than on a bike... but the fact of the matter is that you're much more likely to be involved in a high-speed accident IN a car than outside of it... and MANY, MANY more people die inside cars every year than die on bikes.

Really? And just where are you getting your statistics? Assumptions?

Fact of the matter is that cycling is safer per hour riding than driving...

'facts' like these are why people are afraid to ride a bike... You're on a cycling forum... the least you could do is check the facts before spouting off nonsense about cars being safer than bikes.

Yes... in the event of an actual, high-speed accident... you may very well be safer in a car than on a bike... but the fact of the matter is that you're much more likely to be involved in a high-speed accident IN a car than outside of it... and MANY, MANY more people die inside cars every year than die on bikes.

Statistically, a high school senior is most likely to die in an automobile accident than anything else. For teenagers, cycling (even if they do it stupidly and dangerously) is far more safe than driving (which they often do stupidly and dangerously).

If I had a teenager, I'd sleep much better knowing they were cycling instead of driving.

Aren't two laned rural roads like huge killers due to head ons?

I'd figure you'd be actually safer on the shoulder on a bike strangely enough.



Though to be honest, once a parent has an idea in their head, the heavens couldn't move that idea out usually, statistically, per hour spent on the road, you're safer on a bike, probably as you mentioned, has a lot to do with forced awareness (you not falling asleep) due to being actively part of the situation.

I don't agree with your Dad, but hey, he's your Dad and until you are of legal age you're gonna have to respect and obey his wishes. Going outside the family with your problem prolly isn't a good idea either.
<godfather voice>Never go against the family, and family business stays inside the family</godfather voice> ;)

Aren't two laned rural roads like huge killers due to head ons?

I'd figure you'd be actually safer on the shoulder on a bike strangely enough.

What is this "shoulder" (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=qjwqnv7z7mg4&style=o&lvl=2&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=9254506&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1) you speak of?


Going outside the family with your problem prolly isn't a good idea either.

:innocent:

I'm a high school senior, and a week ago, my dad randomly told me I couldn't ride anymore because its too dangerous. Its only been a week since, but bumming rides/walking 4 miles has gotten quite repetitive already. My parents say I should start driving, but I think I'd fall asleep driving at 6:30am.

This (http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&saddr=39.352352,-84.307795&daddr=N+Mason+Montgomery+Rd+to:Windmere+Way&hl=en&geocode=%3BFXjNWAId5JD5-g%3BFYj2WAIdP8P5-g&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=15&via=1&sll=39.354675,-84.307108&sspn=0.020375,0.038624&ie=UTF8&ll=39.369075,-84.301786&spn=0.040741,0.077248&t=h&z=14) is most of my route, which I admit is a bit questionable (35mph rural roads, real speed is around 45), but I feel safe with a superflash, 4 feet of reflective tape, a fluorescent hoodie, and a 606a q5 helmet light. In the three months I've been riding, I've only had one close call (which in retrospect wasn't really that close at all).

What would any of you do in a situation like this? Apparently my dad knows someone (http://www.davidtryan.com/) who was killed on a bike (and no one in a car crash), and he always emphasizes how a car provides a 3000lb shield in the event of an accident.


You need to have a good long discussion with your parents and maybe somebody who is outside of your group, like a safety officer or something.

Your folks love you and are scared. That's their job. Well, you get the point.

Cars are not safe either. The average 3,000 lb car needs 12 airbags to be somewhat protective, costs 30,000+ and can't compensate for a drunk guy flying over a crest with limited forward visbility with a Mazda Miata and into a willow tree (which more or less happened around Boise in the last year).

It's also not safe to live in a house around here (drunks seem to hate houses).

What I'm telling you is that safety is only as safe as you practice and then too as others do. Is it possible your folks trust the drivers more than they do you?

Your parents may have doubts about how you protect yourself based on the risks you take. They have figured you'd be safer in a car, but HEY!

Do you take similar risks in a car?

Whether they can tell you directly or not and even if they are a bit protective "by your story" I have to figure you are like many who are scared to lose something and search for support when that support should be from those that raised you.

Go prove yourself trustworthy to them by showing them you can change what bothers them and it will be strength out of conflict. Not only cool but it works when you are 102 too.

Anything can kill you by surprise. Anything not a surprise can kill you too. Just show them you know how to avoid getting killed. They want you to succeed. I agree with that strategy.

Take care!

[Edit] PS It's not actually a hard deal. Maybe you should also get them involved in an advocacy situation to their drastic feelings can become those of participation and helping, which might lead to resolving fears and finding things that help them feel comfortable and trusting. They don't know enough to trust your cycling or your route and your judgements and caring are going to be the answer.

After all, it's not a BB gun but it is the operator.

It sounds like you are a very down to earth guy I feel for you I would hate to have to give up my bike. And you have definantly taken plenty of safety percautions that are tailored to your normal riding route. Definantly try to get Dad to foot the bill for the car upgrade (downgrade). I dont know actual statistics but here are some of my own. I have been riding a bike since I was a kid (17 years) and have had only one incursion with a vehicle, A truck clipped me with their mirror while I was riding down a fast 2 lane country road. I have been driving for 8 years and have had one fender bender and one major wreck neither of which were my fault.
Good luck!

If your parents are telling you to drive a car and you are saying, "well, I would rather ride a bicycle", then you are one VERY unique and cool cat. It is usually in reverse.

I would abide by your parents request, but make express your desire to ride a bicycle at the same time.

+1 I would also take this as an opportunity to open a dialogue between you and your parents. You may not get to ride your bike to school, but hopefully you can come to an understanding of each other, as long as everyone comes into the discussion with an open mind.

Oh, and props to you for wanting to ride rather than drive, even if you can't do what you'd prefer. :thumb:

And to teenagers. You're immature hormonally challenged beginners underestimating the real challenges of everything and overestimating your limited abilities in generally handling life. Exceptions exist, but that's the general rule.

That's true. In fact, if a teenage boy does not overestimate his abilities and view himself as invincible, you'd better take him to the doctor because there is something wrong with him hormonally.



Fact of the matter is that cycling is safer per hour riding than driving...

I suspect this is only true because high speed highway miles are factored in. If we limited the comparison to the low speed roads the OP will be traveling to his high school, I suspect being in a car is indeed much safer. It's very rare to have an auto fatality at around town speeds.


Does he have any idea what car insurance costs for an under 18 driver?


I'm sure he's well aware and already paying it: we dads have to pay insurance for any licensed driver in our house. We can't get out of paying for one of the kids by saying he rides a bike instead of driving.

What would any of you do in a situation like this?

Obey the person who is feeding/clothing/housing me.

My dad was "unreasonable" on more than one subject - all in the interest of my safety and future. You will be responsible for your own actions soon enough.

As a kid who ran into his first car at 14 and lived to tell about it, I'd be very wary of letting my kid ride to school.

There are a few reasons you should heed Dad's wish. First is even though you're unique in that you're a person who prefers to ride, you show even greater character by giving up something you prefer to do when you feel it isn't correct.

Next is you don't have the right to worry your Dad sick everytime you head out the door. You can't just say "don't worry Dad" and expect him to not worry. Don't inflict anymore stress on your Dad. We Dads have enough as it is already.

Riding to school against your parent's orders is going to cause more trouble than it's worth. If your choices are a 50 minute walk instead of a 30 minute drive/walk, I would walk whenever possible or practical, much better for you in every way. That will give you a little more credibility when you talk to your Dad about the bad accident statistics for drivers your age, the high cost of insurance for teenage male drivers, the long term health hazards of a sedentary life style, global warming, resource depletion and whatever else you can think of. If nothing else, maybe your Dad will see that you're a happier person who is easier to be around when you get your exercise fix.

The worst case scenario is that you'll have to walk and/or drive to school until you start college, which won't be long. At that point you will be able to bicycle wherever you want, whenever you want.

Really? And just where are you getting your statistics? Assumptions?

Fact of the matter is that cycling is safer per hour riding than driving...

'facts' like these are why people are afraid to ride a bike... You're on a cycling forum... the least you could do is check the facts before spouting off nonsense about cars being safer than bikes.

Yes... in the event of an actual, high-speed accident... you may very well be safer in a car than on a bike... but the fact of the matter is that you're much more likely to be involved in a high-speed accident IN a car than outside of it... and MANY, MANY more people die inside cars every year than die on bikes.

Cycling is more dangerous per mile and transit is about distance not time. Cycling is more dangerous. If it makes you feel better it's more dangerous because of the cars.

It may be that highway driving is more dangerous than cycling. I've never seen statistics that break driving up into different types.

It should also make you feel better to know that cycling is safer than swimming which most folks consider to be safe. That makes bicycling "safe" in my opinion.

I've taken this quote from the website of the cyclist your father knew who was killed on a bike:


...His life was abruptly and tragically ended at age 32 while he was doing what he loved best...A fine and giving (albeit short) life such as David’s should never be forgotten, but rather meaningfully honored. As friends who shared some of our very best moments of the young millennium with him, we hope that David’s legacy will inspire others in varied ways, and that some general good might continue to come from his senseless loss.(italics mine)


I'm in agreement with those who have suggested that this is an opportunity to have real heart to heart with your father about a real life lesson. My question for your father is what is the lesson he is teaching his son? and how is his barring you from cycling honoring the loss of this person he knew? David Ryan died doing what he loved best. He cycled over 100,000 miles on his bike. He was living a life well lived and his life story is, indeed, inspiring- how is David Ryan's life honored by stopping some other young man from living his dream, from riding a bike like David did.

Many of us choose to do things that involve risk. Young men and women serve in our armed forces every day in a volunteer military. Many die serving their country. Firefighters take life and death risks with great regularity as do police officers, EMT's go into dangerous places to save lives, as do doctors and other medical personnel. Riding a bike has some inherent risks but an overwhelming number of benefits. It's an opportunity for you, as a young man, to learn to be responsible, to accept risk, to be physically fit and consider your life choices with maturity.

If you're the kind of kid that wants to ride a bike instead of the much easier and more conventional choice of driving a car and your father is the kind of dad who loves you so much he's concerned for your safety you're probably a pretty cool pair of people. Find a quiet time when you can have talk without a lot of heat around it and come to a mutually satisfying resolution, which, hopefully, will allow you to ride your bike.

It should also make you feel better to know that cycling is safer than swimming which most folks consider to be safe.

^ Swimming is quite dangerous. Add the fact that few receive proper swim training in this country, and it amounts to far, far more drownings than necessary.

hmmmm, one more note. Ironically, it was an 18 year old high school student recklessly driving at 83 mph who killed the cyclist your father knew. Why he thinks you'll be better off behind the wheel of a car rather than riding a bike is still a bit of a conundrum for me.

This (http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&saddr=39.352352,-84.307795&daddr=N+Mason+Montgomery+Rd+to:Windmere+Way&hl=en&geocode=%3BFXjNWAId5JD5-g%3BFYj2WAIdP8P5-g&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=15&via=1&sll=39.354675,-84.307108&sspn=0.020375,0.038624&ie=UTF8&ll=39.369075,-84.301786&spn=0.040741,0.077248&t=h&z=14) is most of my route, which I admit is a bit questionable

It looks to me like you could make some alternate routes through the suburban neighborhoods between your house and the school. It would be a bit farther (maybe another mile or so), but looks to me like you could cut out at least some of the distance you spend on the "big" roads by threading through some of the subdivisions shown on the map.

IF, you only use the car to travel that route to school, you may be safer in a car, I don't know because I am not there. However, once you have a car, it will be used for other trips and then you will be far less safe in a car than a bicycle. Look into outrageous lights for the back of the bike, like Down Low Glow but put them on the back instead of aiming them down. You are much less likely to hit from behind than from the side (at intersections, driveways, etc.) If you check out driving statistics from insurance companies for your age group, they may change their minds.

Thanks for the replies;

Firstly, there's no safer route - the "4-lane" arterial is actually a 55mph 2-lane rural route. I don't really see anything I can do to change my dad's mind - he hasn't ridden in decades and I don't see him riding on a rural road. And its kind of hard to convince a rational person that riding 15mph on a bike is safer on an unlit rural road than 45mph (traffic speed) in a car. I'm not going to disobey him, though I did ride around my neighborhood this morning. I'm just waiting for college right now, which fortunately is less than a year away-They've already told me that they don't have a problem with me riding when the speed differential is 15mph or less.

As for the car driving thing, my parents would, at least initially, subsidize most of the costs. I just don't see the point - the only currently available parking lot is a 15-minute walk from the front of the school (with a 15-minute drive assuming traffic), at which point I might as well have made the 50-minute walk home (riding took about 15-20 minutes, and I could park adjacent to the school doorway).

I find some of this confusing. It takes you a max of 20 minutes to ride your bike, but all of 15 minutes to drive this distance in a car, and another 15 minutes to walk from the closest parking lot to the front door. That just doesn't make any sense to me.

Where did you get your bike? You bought it, your parents bought it for you, you brought it from some previous home where, apparently, they thought it ok for you to ride? Your parents don't want you riding at all, or their concern is specifically related to your riding back and forth from school?

Which part of the driving expense are they unwilling to support? I'm guessing the car is provided, the insurance, also. Even when gasoline is high, it sounds as though fuel would not be a major expense. Do they buy the gas?

For me, the bottom line is that, until you reach the age of majority, it's your duty to obey your parents, but it also seems as though this is an issue that you ought to be able to discuss with them. We aren't talking high level issues--whether you should be able to stay out late, smoke, run with this crowd or that, bring up your grades, and on and on. Your approach seems balanced to me, even if some of what you've related here doesn't really add up for me.

Is this a public school? If so, is there not a bus service provided?

In any event, it sounds like this situation is short term for you, so, in the over all scheme of things, it should not be such a major event. . . certainly not major enough that you should allow it to interfere with the relationship you have with your dad. Whatever your feelings on this issue, he and your mother have seen you through this far in your life. You'll have the rest of it to work with in whatever way you choose, and, someday, your perspective may change and you'll have a better understanding of your dad's motivation for this request. Even if you never come to agree with this decision, I bet with time (and the arrival of your own children), you will come to appreciate that his motivation for not letting you ride your bike was based upon his genuine concern for your safety.

Good luck.

Caruso

I find some of this confusing. It takes you a max of 20 minutes to ride your bike, but all of 15 minutes to drive this distance in a car, and another 15 minutes to walk from the closest parking lot to the front door. That just doesn't make any sense to me.

Where did you get your bike? You bought it, your parents bought it for you, you brought it from some previous home where, apparently, they thought it ok for you to ride? Your parents don't want you riding at all, or their concern is specifically related to your riding back and forth from school?

Which part of the driving expense are they unwilling to support? I'm guessing the car is provided, the insurance, also. Even when gasoline is high, it sounds as though fuel would not be a major expense. Do they buy the gas?

For me, the bottom line is that, until you reach the age of majority, it's your duty to obey your parents, but it also seems as though this is an issue that you ought to be able to discuss with them. We aren't talking high level issues--whether you should be able to stay out late, smoke, run with this crowd or that, bring up your grades, and on and on. Your approach seems balanced to me, even if some of what you've related here doesn't really add up for me.

Is this a public school? If so, is there not a bus service provided?

In any event, it sounds like this situation is short term for you, so, in the over all scheme of things, it should not be such a major event. . . certainly not major enough that you should allow it to interfere with the relationship you have with your dad. Whatever your feelings on this issue, he and your mother have seen you through this far in your life. You'll have the rest of it to work with in whatever way you choose, and, someday, your perspective may change and you'll have a better understanding of your dad's motivation for this request. Even if you never come to agree with this decision, I bet with time (and the arrival of your own children), you will come to appreciate that his motivation for not letting you ride your bike was based upon his genuine concern for your safety.

Good luck.

Caruso

If I had applied for a parking pass last school year, I could have gotten a spot in a lot adjacent to the school, but that lot filled up months ago.

My parents bought the bike in New York, where I just rode around our neighborhood for fun.

The car would be my mom's, and insurance is already being paid. I would have to pay for gas, but at current prices it isn't really an issue - I'm just paranoid of falling asleep (since I always sleep through the bus ride) and don't really see the point when it's barely faster than walking.

There is a bus, that I always take in the morning, but I have after school activities 4-5 days a week that preclude me from taking it home on a regular basis.

I agree with your conclusion 100% - I understand his motivations and haven't even brought up the issue this week because I know there's not much I can do until college.

Make them drive you everywhere. Parents need to learn their place sometimes. If they are going to treat you as if you are unable to make your own decisions (like a young child), they should be trucking you around (like a young child)

degnaw, yours is a story I've heard more than few times from young riders. A parent, or some other authority figure, knows of someone who was badly injured or killed while riding. The result is that they "lay down the law" and order their kids to stop riding. Interestingly enough, dads today are displaying the attitude that moms have shown for generations, when a teenaged son would announce his intentions to buy a motorcycle. ("You're not getting one, and that's final!!!" Shrill, eardrum shattering voice that only moms seem to possess.)

I have to agree with others, who have noted that until you are over 18, and away at college, the best policy is to just go with it. If you produce figures that show that cycling is not that dangerous, I would predict that the reaction will be "I don't care what it says there!" That will only throw gasoline on the fire, and you really don't want that.

Try getting your dad along for the route maybe? Spend some time searching the forum and other resources and give a presentation to your dad about safety principles (VC, etc.) and see if he wants to come along for the ride under your guidance... Yes, it's his job to worry about you, but parents also love seeing their kids take responsibility and show that they are mature enough to make their own decisions.

I was in my twenties and long gone from the family home when I got my first motorcycle, and still my parents worried about me riding it. That is just what parents do. I never told them about the wrecks I had with them. Now, I worry about my 44 year old son on his motorcycle.
You'll be on your own before long, be patient and wait it out. I wish you well.

Statistically, a high school senior is most likely to die in an automobile accident than anything else.True, but misleading in this case.

Only a tiny number of high school seniors die skydiving ... but it's still extremely dangerous (well, it is if you look at the time actually spent doing it (a few minutes at a time, perhaps 30 if you include the ride up), vs. the time a high school senior would spend driving.)

Similarly, only a small percentage of them are commuting by bicycle (and even if they ride the bicycle to school, are they riding it to parties too? To hang out with their friends? Considering the stigma against cycling, it seems unlikely once the kids can get licenses.)

It would be nice to believe that this would save them from most of the things that make them likely to die in an auto accident, but have any actual studies been done on this, or are we just hoping?

Cycling is more dangerous per mile and transit is about distance not time. Cycling is more dangerous. If it makes you feel better it's more dangerous because of the cars.Probably true.

Most of the time that somebody says that `cycling is safer per hour', they're being intentionally misleading. They almost always know that the same study said that cycling is more dangerous per mile than driving, but they don't say that, because it doesn't support their argument. It's a half truth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-truth).

And of course that study, like all the other studies out there, has it's share of flaws. Probably the biggest flaw is that it's hard to tell how many hours and miles somebody has cycled. For cars, there's an odometer that you can't mess with. But for bikes, you might have a cyclecomputer, but the less `serious' you are the less likely it is that you'll have one. And even if you do have one, it's easily reset, removed or just not working. When you ask a motorist how far they've driven, they can usually give you a pretty exact figure. If you ask a cyclist, most are just guessing, and while I can't prove it, I suspect that the figures they give tend to be too high, which would make cycling seem safer.

Cycling has many benefits, but `being safer' probably isn't one of them.

As for the car driving thing, my parents would, at least initially, subsidize most of the costs. I just don't see the point - the only currently available parking lot is a 15-minute walk from the front of the school (with a 15-minute drive assuming traffic), at which point I might as well have made the 50-minute walk home (riding took about 15-20 minutes, and I could park adjacent to the school doorway).

I'm your dad. Well, not literally, but I'm in the same situation. There is this: Part of what I see as part of raising my sons is teaching them how to drive and making sure they get experience while they still have a safety net. My 21-year-old had three accidents early on, including two totals. My 18-year-old has wrecked, at least not yet. For both boys, though, I want them to be comfortable around a car- know how to drive in regular conditions, heavy traffic, bad weather. I feel much better knowing they're doing this locally so if they do have a mishap, help is nearby.

I would suggest that your dad has the same idea- he wants to make sure you have some driving experience under your belt before you go to college. If you go away, you will probably end up driving home for breaks and stuff. If you have virtually no experience behind the wheel, that becomes a far riskier proposition.

Have you asked him why the sudden change of heart? Did he hear of a bicycle accident? Is it more due to the reasons above (wanting you to learn how to drive)? Talk to him and try to understand why he changed his mind on this. You may not get him to change it back, but he can't begrudge you for trying to understand. If you act like a rebellious teen, his first instinct will be to show you who's boss. If you try to open a more mature dialog, you may earn some respect as an adult.

I was a weird kid. Before turning 16 I had little interest in driving.. My Dad bought me a Schwinn back then.. It saved him lots of money for a year or two... No questions asked.. Guess times were different. Considering driving patterns, its within car's cages I get all worried. Tell him you don't want a car and see how that plays..

I was a weird kid. Before turning 16 I had little interest in driving.. My Dad bought me a Schwinn back then.. It saved him lots of money for a year or two... No questions asked.. Guess times were different. Considering driving patterns, its within car's cages I get all worried. Tell him you don't want a car and see how that plays..


I had the same scenerio of having little interest in driving, when I did show interest in driving, it was to be riding a motorcycle. My idea of getting a motorcycle was so completely out with the parents that it came to the point of me coming home from school one day to see the used pickup they had bought for me in front of our house.