Road Cycling - Dura Ace 10V vs Record 2004

I know, another Shimano vs Campagnolo thread...

My problem is that I am building my dream bicyle (Time VXRS frame, Time Mag Ti Pedals, Mavic Ksirium SSL TDF wheels and so on) and until this morning I was going with full Shimano Dura Ace 10V althought I have had full 2001 Campagnolo Record on my DeRosa Planet for the last 2.5 years.

I just thought that the new Shimano was better because it has been engineered more recently but I am starting to think that the Campagnolo Record 2004 is still superior.

I am sure everybody has an opinion about this.

Please,no!!

spend your money. love your bike.

You are correct. I do have an opinion. Have a good day.

why not save money and slap the old gears on the new bike?

They are both good grouppos. Try and ride a bike with each of them on it...and then pick the one you like best. its your money so dont have any regrets. My choice would be Campag though

New Campy. It's just so damned beautiful.

My vote goes to campy.

Otherwise, you could keep your bike all French with the eccentric Mavic Mektronic...

One or the other its a matter of taste .. I agree why you don't keep the $ and buy a second set of sexy wheels ie: cosmic carb. or zipp 404 ..

Just out of curiosity, what is the difference in price?

I agree with the poster who suggested using the money for the best wheels out there and personally would keep the old Campy group. I might be inclined to swap the Campy cassette with a Shimano one though because it's cheaper and shifts better but I'm uncertain as to how well a Shimano 10sp cassette will work with Campy 10sp Ergo. How close is the spacing? I'm considering this setup for my next upgrade so answers would be appreciated.

are zipp wheels durable?

Probably not .. my suggestion was to keep the Ksyrium and to have an extra set just for fun ..

khoun, how do you figure that Shimano will shift better than Campy? I see the point that the cassettes are cheaper, but I'm not sure I believe that it would shift better, even if you could set it up that way.

khoun, how do you figure that Shimano will shift better than Campy? I see the point that the cassettes are cheaper, but I'm not sure I believe that it would shift better, even if you could set it up that way.

I guess "better" is a subjective term. I should probably say smoother probably due to the ramping. I've tried a bike that was set up with a Shimano 9sp cassette in an otherwise full Campy Record drivetrain and it shifted smoother than a similar bike with a Campy 9sp cassette.

Another reason I like for going with the Shimano 10sp cassette is that it has the right gear selection I want. I have a 9sp 12-27 (12-13-14-15-17-19-21-24-27) on my current bike but I'm missing the elusive 16. I find that I'm constantly hunting between the 15 and 17 on the flats. I like the setup of the new 10sp 12-27 (12-13-14-15-16-17-19-21-24-27).

Besides people equating likeing one better than the other with it actually being better, they both work great.

Which one feels better to you? I, personally don't like the way the Campy shifters feel. It dosen't make Shimano better, just better for me.

In Italy where I live the price is not that different.

Some people told me that the Dura Ace crankset is very smooth.

One question, considering that I do most of my riding climbing, do I really need the Mavic Cosmic Carb or are they mostly for flat riding?

Why would you want deep dish aero wheels if you do mostly climbing? I would think you'd want to build up the lightest conventional (non-aero) wheelset you could, with triple butted spokes and the works.

For climbing, you want Campy Hyperion wheels...

I have the Dura Ace 10 on my bike. I have ridden, for about a total of a thousand miles recently, a carbon Record equipped bike (Look 481...a carbon bike that puts Trek to shame). I do not like the thumb buttons. And I like the Dura Ace crank a lot better. More tourque.
FWIW...I do like the clean cable free look of Campy, but I cannot stand those thumb buttons. If I HAD to I could live with it, but I don't have to...

If you are mostly climbing, there is no point in getting some Mavic Carb. .. they are for those 2-3 hrs of flats you do alone .. and aim for your PB .. Cheers