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bragi
01-12-09, 10:19 PM
Other than getting doored, my biggest fear as a cyclist is getting nailed by a 17 year old girl who's texting and driving at the same time. This article sort of confirms that fear. I'm not holding my breath, though; I seriously doubt, at this point, that anyone will be able to ban cell phone use in a moving car.



January 13, 2009

A Problem of the Brain, Not the Hands: Group Urges Phone Ban for Drivers
By TARA PARKER-POPE

In half a dozen states and many cities and counties, it is illegal to use a hand-held cellphone while driving — but perfectly all right to talk on a hands-free device.

The theory is that it’s distracting to hold a phone and drive with just one hand. But a large body of research now shows that a hands-free phone poses no less danger than a hand-held one — that the problem is not your hands but your brain.

“It’s not that your hands aren’t on the wheel,” said David Strayer, director of the Applied Cognition Laboratory at the University of Utah and a leading researcher on cellphone safety. “It’s that your mind is not on the road.”

Now Dr. Strayer’s research has gained a potent ally. On Monday, the National Safety Council, the nonprofit advocacy group that has pushed for seat belt laws and drunken driving awareness, called for an all-out ban on using cellphones while driving.

“There is a huge misperception with the public that it’s O.K. if they are using a hands-free phone,” said Janet Froetscher, the council’s president and chief executive. “It’s the same challenge we had with seat belts and drunk driving — we’ve got to get people thinking the same way about cellphones.”

Laboratory experiments using simulators, real-world road studies and accident statistics all tell the same story: drivers talking on a cellphone are four times as likely to have an accident as drivers who are not. That’s the same level of risk posed by a driver who is legally drunk.

Why cellphone use behind the wheel is so risky isn’t entirely clear, but studies suggest several factors. No matter what the device, phone conversations appear to take a significant toll on attention and visual processing skills.

It may be that talking on the phone generates mental images that conflict with the spatial processing needed for safe driving. Eye-tracking studies show that while drivers continually look side to side, cellphone users tend to stare straight ahead.

They may also be distracted to the point that their engaged brains no longer process much of the information that falls on their retinas, which leads to slower reaction times and other driving problems.

At the University of Utah, Dr. Strayer and his colleagues use driving simulators to study the effects of cellphone conversations. A simulator’s interior looks like that of a Ford Crown Victoria, and a computer allows researchers to control driving conditions. Study participants are asked to drive under a variety of conditions: while talking on a hand-held phone or a hands-free one, while chatting with a friend in the next seat, and even after consuming enough alcohol to make them legally drunk.

While in the simulator, drivers are asked to complete simple tasks, like driving for several miles along a highway and finding a particular exit, or navigating local streets where they must brake for traffic lights, change lanes and watch for pedestrians. How fast they drive, how well they stay in their lane, driving speed and eye movement are closely monitored.

The Utah researchers have also placed electrodes on participants’ scalps to gauge how they process information. Similar studies, using brain imaging, have been done at Carnegie Mellon.

The studies show that cellphone conversations are highly distracting compared with other speaking and listening activities in the car.

One might think that listening to talk radio or an audio book would degrade driving skill; it does not. (A quiz after the driving test confirmed that the drivers were really paying attention to the programs.)

Likewise, it is easy to equate talking to a friend on a cellphone with talking to a friend in the passenger seat. But a December report in The Journal of Experimental Psychology: Applied debunked that notion. Utah researchers put 96 drivers in a simulator, instructing them to drive several miles down the road and pull off at a rest stop. Sometimes the drivers were talking on a hands-free cell phone, and sometimes they were chatting with a friend in the next seat.

Nearly every driver with a passenger found the rest stop, in part because the passenger often acted as an extra set of eyes, alerting the driver to the approaching exit. But among those talking on the cellphone, half missed the exit.

“The paradox is that if the friend is sitting next to you, you drive safer,” Dr. Strayer said. “When you talk to that person on a cellphone, you’re much more likely to be involved in an accident.”

Despite the overwhelming body of evidence that cellphone use while driving is risky, the idea of a total ban is sure to be controversial.

“People understand the dangers, but they just don’t want to give it up themselves,” said Ms. Froetscher, of the National Safety Council. “But years ago we didn’t put on seat belts, or people who might have had a drink before driving wouldn’t think of it now.

“We have to educate people that it’s a risky behavior.”

Copyright 2009 The New York Times Company


schu777
01-13-09, 07:47 AM
Eye-tracking studies show that while drivers continually look side to side, cellphone users tend to stare straight ahead.

Yeah - this is the scariest part of the whole article, considering when I'm riding a bike. Whenever I'm riding my bike, I'm looking at the driver to see what they are doing, paying attention to their driving or if they are talking on their cell phone. If they are talking on the cell phone, I really watch what they are doing, especially if they are at a stop sign.

I've heard on the radio that they are trying to get some type of ban on cell phone use here in Nebraska - or at least talking about it. I'm hoping they can make it stick.

One thought I had a few weeks ago - IF they did get a ban put in place and you were in an accident and was on the phone, then the insurance company could jack up the rates very high against you. People won't stop talking on the cell phone until it hits the pocketbook another way - that would be one way to do it.

Michael

gwd
01-13-09, 08:38 AM
We have a ban in DC and it doesn't seem to be obeyed. I notice no difference in the ubiquity of cell phone use while driving compared to before the ban. When I call a cell I ask "Can you talk?" first thing. If the answer is "Sure I can talk, I'm just driving home, I got time, whats up?" I reply, "Call me back when you get home the reception sucks." or something like that. The early studies that showed cell phone talking impairs drivers as much as being drunk were enough to get the ban in DC. But, if that is the case then the penalties should be just as bad as for drunk driving. When I'm biking around and see people talking or texting while driving I think "Drunk- watch out."

Cell phone people claim that it is no different from talking to a passenger but that is bunk. The passenger is present and pauses and understand s that the conversation must be interrupted by the driving activities, the person on the other end of a text message or a conference call isn't present and keeps yaking while another car with a texting driver does something stupid. When I was a kid some parents enforced a "No Talking" rule while the car is moving.

Car drivers don't see as well into other vehicles as cyclists can and aren't aware of how many people are texting or reading while moving. I think that little blackberry holsters that fit on steering wheels would sell very well in DC. It might be safer if the person could have a better grip on the steering wheel while responding to e-mail. There is a class of person in DC who thinks their gumint job is soooo important that the e-mail can't wait ten minutes till they park the car. And they HAVE to check e-mail or take that call while driving.


Nightshade
01-13-09, 12:00 PM
Illinois has a ban on cell's while driving and nobody,but nobody, pays one bit of
attentions to it. A few kids locally were killed in wrecks over the last 3 years while
using cell's driving. Other than the news report nothing happened.

IMO the only way to stop drivers from using cell's while driving is to disable the
cell anytime the cars wheels are turning. Talk while parked, Ok ....in motion, nope.

mattm
01-13-09, 01:58 PM
just think of what new techonology will come out in the next 5-10 years..

that will give them even more ways to smush us!!

i'm celly-free, for some of the same reasons as being car free (as in i don't need it)

Fredmertz51
01-14-09, 08:12 PM
Fair is fair. No radios for Police, and no CB's for anyone.

bragi
01-14-09, 10:53 PM
A ban on cell phones was enacted in Washington State recently, and, just like in other places, it's pretty much universally ignored. I estimate that, this week, 50% of the moms who were in the car pool area at my school, engines running, were on their phones while their children were climbing into their cars. Only today, I saw a guy in a car, talking on a cell phone, stop in the middle of a turn at a busy intersection, in front of oncoming traffic, apparently to make a point during his conversation. He didn't even seem to notice that a few cars and a bike had to come to a screeching halt to avoid a collision; he was completely oblivious to any of it, and just kept talking. Even when cars started honking, it took him a couple of seconds to notice that they were honking at him.

Artkansas
01-15-09, 02:01 AM
It just occured to me, but all the real "loose cannons at the wheel"s that I know are cell phone addicts. Missing exits and turns, backing up on the freeway. The cell phone is more real than reality.



But the problems with cell phones and driving were first brought to my attention by one accident that happened just in front of me in the Coachella Valley.

A BMW, coming from the Horse Show 1/4 mile up the two lane road I was driving on, suddenly swerved in front of a minivan traveling in the other direction. The force of the impact spun the BMW around 180 degrees and ejected the driver of the BMW. I was two cars behind the minivan, and since it was a rural area, everyone was pulling over to attend to the drivers and move the cars off the road.

But I was able to hear what the BMW driver was telling those helping her to sit down on the sand and wait for the police and ambulance.

"I was dialing my phone and the car JUST WENT OUT OF CONTROL!"

When I heard that I crossed the road and looked at where she had come from. Sure enough, the front wheel of BMW had drifted off of the highway and down onto the sand on the side 3 inches below the surface of the road. When she had attempted to straighten out, she had overcorrected as the wheel got caught on the side of the asphalt, and when it finally got traction and came up to the surface, she had the wheels cranked all the way to the left, trying to get back on. And of course she shot across the road in front of the minivan. It hit the rear end of the BMW and spun it around 180 degrees, ejecting the driver. I don't think the BMW driver ever realized how overwhelmingly lucky she was, for surviving getting ejected and that the minivan hit her and spun her so that she didn't run head on into the trees lining the road.

Thanks to the airbags in the minivan, its driver was only shaken up. I assume it could be repaired because we were able to steer it off the roadway when we pushed it. I don't know what happened after that because the situation was under control so I got back in my Nova and drove on.

Metzinger
01-15-09, 02:20 AM
Lots of places in the world ban holding a cell phone while driving.
But then again, in most countries people trust their leaders to look at the big picture when drafting legislation.

Nightshade
01-15-09, 11:12 AM
Fair is fair. No radios for Police, and no CB's for anyone.

Radio's (a cell is a radio btw) & CB's can't text or do other "fun" stuff that distracts drivers. :innocent:

CliftonGK1
01-15-09, 11:29 AM
A ban on cell phones was enacted in Washington State recently, and, just like in other places, it's pretty much universally ignored.

There are a couple problems with the Washington law. First, it's not a "primary" offence. That means you can drive along, yapping on your phone while surrounded by by a battalion of police officers, and they can't pull you over for it. It's a secondary offence that an officer can tack on as an additional $124 charge once you've been pulled over for something else.

Second, the police aren't issuing tickets when they have the opportunity. In the first few months, (I don't remember the exact statistic), an article in the paper quoted one officer saying he issued over half the offenders a warning instead of a ticket. (And people wonder why there's a budget crunch for the King Co PD?)

Fredmertz51
01-15-09, 12:16 PM
Radio's (a cell is a radio btw) & CB's can't text or do other "fun" stuff that distracts drivers. :innocent:

Still have their hands in use, talking, and paying attention to other than driving.

Brian T.
01-15-09, 03:11 PM
I guess I'm lucky. I can't text while driving. Haven't tried, but, even at the age of 33, I get motion sickness if I try to read in the car. Maps, books, mags, whatever. I can't look at any of it. As for calls, I try to stay off as much as possible while driving, I even answer my wife's phone when hers rings while she's driving.

acroy
01-15-09, 04:28 PM
I use a cell phone on the road - on the bike ;) No problems!

evblazer
01-15-09, 04:34 PM
Still have their hands in use, talking, and paying attention to other than driving.
I'll take someone occasionaly using a cb or a policeman using thier radio to some of the folks I know who watch tv shows on their cell phone while driving anyday.

Of course I work for a company that makes lots of money on cell phones and especially the premium content like video sooo I think it must be perfectly safe all around :o

Nightshade
01-16-09, 02:56 PM
Still have their hands in use, talking, and paying attention to other than driving.

Your hands are not your eyes, mate. Radios & CB's can be operated by feel alone whereas Cell's
require you to LOOK at the screen taking your eyes (brain) off the road ahead. :innocent:

zoltani
01-27-09, 04:33 PM
Since the cell phone ban was enacted here in California I have learned that "hand-free" means hold phone in one hand, turn on speakerphone, and yell into handset.

gwd
01-27-09, 04:41 PM
Since the cell phone ban was enacted here in California I have learned that "hand-free" means hold phone in one hand, turn on speakerphone, and yell into handset.
Yes, I've seen this too.

wahoonc
01-27-09, 07:28 PM
I use a bluetooth...driving or riding:D (but not all that often)

Aaron:)

Fredmertz51
01-27-09, 08:03 PM
Your hands are not your eyes, mate. Radios & CB's can be operated by feel alone whereas Cell's
require you to LOOK at the screen taking your eyes (brain) off the road ahead. :innocent:

Mate? Rather condescending.

Roody
01-27-09, 09:59 PM
Drunk driving laws have been only part of the solution to that problem. It also has taken constant PSAs (brainwashing) over many years to change popular attitudes about drunk driving.

I think the same will be true for cell phone driving. Eventually a public group like MADD will be formed to try to change attitudes and persuade people not to talk on the phone while driving. I think they should call it CADD = Cells Are Dangerous, Dummy.

wheel
01-28-09, 03:10 AM
I don't understand why people need to talk or IM so much.

To be 20 years into cell phones and only beginning to provide laws, to talk about, or show studies is a blatant neglect on safety. Kinda like drinking and driving. IMO

dynodonn
01-28-09, 09:12 AM
The Cali handsfree cellphone and texting while driving ban hasn't stopped very many from people from doing as such. At a recent local bicycling forum, one our local CHP officers has commented that he sees it quite regularly while driving his personal motor vehicle on off duty hours, and as expected, seldom sees it while driving on patrol in his stand out black and white. Just yesterday while I was stopped at a light, I watched a woman driving a fullsize Ford Superduty diesel pickup, cellphone in one hand while looking down and sorting through something on the front seat with the other hand. One can only assume that that she was driving using her knees or elbow. Laws are just empty words to many people when there is little or no practical way to enforce them.

zoltani
01-28-09, 10:59 AM
I seriously have been thinking about standing on the corner and snapping pics of drivers talking on their cellphones and their license plate. Then I would send it in to the local PD. Do you think they would get a ticket in the mail?

raevyn
01-28-09, 08:17 PM
one can only hope so!

Artkansas
01-28-09, 09:00 PM
I don't understand why people need to talk or IM so much.

Ego. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_(spirituality))

The ego is often associated with mind and the sense of time, which compulsively thinks in order to be assured of its future existence, rather than simply knowing its own self and the present.

Eckhart Tolle comments that, to the extent that the ego is present in an individual, that individual is somewhat insane psychologically, in reference to the ego's nature as compulsively hyper-active and compulsively (and pathologically) self-centered. However, since this is the norm, it goes unrecognised as the source of much that could be classified as insane behavior in everyday life. In South Asian traditions, the state of being trapped in the illusory belief that one is the ego is known as maya or samsara.

Roody
01-28-09, 09:19 PM
http://www.dearauntnettie.com/images/buddha.jpg

Elkhound
01-28-09, 10:13 PM
I use a cell phone on the road - on the bike ;) No problems!

I have seen people cycling and phoning; even cycling and texting! That is scary.

Now, I have a cell; indeed, I only use my landline for the interntet. I like the idea that if I am out on the road and need help I can call for it without trying to find a payphone. I like the idea that if I see a crime I can call it in without having to go try to track down a phone.

bragi
01-28-09, 11:53 PM
I have seen people cycling and phoning; even cycling and texting! That is scary.

Now, I have a cell; indeed, I only use my landline for the interntet. I like the idea that if I am out on the road and need help I can call for it without trying to find a payphone. I like the idea that if I see a crime I can call it in without having to go try to track down a phone.

I have a cell phone with me most of the time, too, but, if I have to use it while I'm riding, I pull over and stop first. I don't think I could devote enough attention to safely riding and talking/texting at the same time, and I'm sure that others, including drivers of cars, can't really pull this off, either.

EvilPhish
01-29-09, 03:08 PM
Radio's (a cell is a radio btw) & CB's can't text or do other "fun" stuff that distracts drivers. :innocent:
I've read on Amateur Radio forums about people sending morse code while driving.

raevyn
01-29-09, 07:52 PM
if you guys think THAT is scary, take a look at this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7amxE3RLAzQ)!

RepWI
01-30-09, 07:26 AM
A number of years ago I was a lawmaker.

I co-sponsored legislation to ban the use of cell phones while driving. I never considered myself such an evil person. But, apparently I was according to the feedback I got.

At the time I believed that the danger was not in the fumbling with dials etc, but rather with the brain.

Until the body count mounts I do not believe there will be a majority of states that ban the use.

The special interests are huge here: Individual drivers fueled by the, "It is my right to..." crowd, supported by the businesses that make money on text messages.

It will take a concerted effort to deal with this problem. Do let your legislators know you would not consider them evil if...

Roody
01-30-09, 09:30 AM
The special interests are huge here: Individual drivers fueled by the, "It is my right to..." crowd, supported by the businesses that make money on text messages.
...

I think business will be better if their customers are alive.

Elkhound
01-30-09, 09:35 AM
A number of years ago I was a lawmaker.
.

Were you the Wisconsin legislator who cycled from Appleton to Madison a few years ago?

RepWI
01-30-09, 08:33 PM
Were you the Wisconsin legislator who cycled from Appleton to Madison a few years ago?

No, I am not. I do remember that story but do not remember which member did so.