Group Buy - Gigantex Rim Group Buy?

It was suggested to me to test the waters for a rim group buy.

I am thinking about a 50mm carbon clincher rim with alum braking surface (I will post weights and prices if there is genuine interest). The question is really about drillings. Please see the poll.

Time line would be something like 30 days to close the group buy (say end of Feb), then 45 days from when I place the order until I receive delivery. Then I would need to ship individual rim sets which, for the sake of argument would be another 2 weeks. This would put rims in your hands by late March early April.

Please give me some feedback so we can see if this is doable or not.

Mods, please move this to group buys if it appears that one will take place.

Any ideas on a price yet?

Full carbon 32/32? I don't need the alu braking surface.

Once we see the prices I may be interested in a set. I went with the 20/24s on the poll.

This sounds awesome. I wouldn't mind another set of carbons, especially if I can ride thme to a race and not worry about flatting.

Would it be possible to get seperate buy's for seperate drillings? Some people, I'd imagine would want these for racing and want a 20/24 spoke configuration, while others may want a little more holes for a little bit more regular usage.

Any ideas on a price yet?

As I mentioned in the original post I won't be able to post prices until the spec is nailed down. There are too many variables that will affect pricing such as upcharges for non-standard drilling, order Qty, inland freight, banking fees, etc.

Once I get a sense of qty and what drilling I should be able to calculate a rough quote. It's a bit too soon for that, at the moment.

This sounds awesome. I wouldn't mind another set of carbons, especially if I can ride thme to a race and not worry about flatting.

Would it be possible to get seperate buy's for seperate drillings? Some people, I'd imagine would want these for racing and want a 20/24 spoke configuration, while others may want a little more holes for a little bit more regular usage.

I can order what ever I want to order. The problem is that if there are 50 sets of 1 drilling and 10 of another there will be a variation in pricing.

If it appears that there are 2 clear preferences then, as long as they meet the min order qty, I could offer 2 different drillings in the same group buy.

So now we wait.

If we could only have one option 24/28 is the only one that would make sense.

If we could only have one option 24/28 is the only one that would make sense.

Why?

It would be a racing set for me, so probably 20/24 would be best but I wasn't thinking about that and voted 24/28. I could go either way really, but I would prefer 20/24. I'm definitely interested though. If I can build up some 50 mm race wheels on the cheap I'll be very happy.

carbon clincher/non-aluminum braking or tubular as options drilled 24/28

plus low-balled pricing...

Rough estimate on price bob?

yea don't the clinchers with AL braking surface weigh a ton?

I would be interested in 24/28 or maybe 20/24 in tubular.

I would have an interest in either 28X32 or 32X32 if the price was right. I even have some Chorus hubs that are currently orphaned.

I'm not terribly likely to participate (indeed I'd prefer a 30+mm AL rim), but these would be a do all wheelset and durability and aero would far supercede weight considerations. That plus hub selections would push me to 32h front and rear. For daily use wheels, I'd be conservative. Having said that, 28h wouldn't worry me even at 215#. Anything less would be 'race day' wheels for me.

Really only interested in full carbon clincher or tubular.

Why?

Because the 20/24 are for the lighter guys racing and the 24/28 is for the heavier races or the people who will be using them for training too. So 24/28 sounds like the best compromise. I chose 20/24 in the poll.

^you don't have to be light to use 20/24 wheels for racing. I trained over 2000 miles on a cheap 16/20 wheelset and I weighed about 185 at the time. They were fine for me, and I was by no means easy on them. I bunny hopped stuff, rode through nasty pot holes, over train tracks at speed.

yea don't the clinchers with AL braking surface weigh a ton?
.Yep, they'd have to be easily over 600g. My Token c50s are 2080g without skewers or rim tape.
My FP60s are about 600g each, and the pair is about 1900g

Building a rim that has an alum braking surface does add considerable weight when compared to a full carbon version of the same thing. The principal benefit is superior braking performance, especially in wet conditions but also you don't need to swap brake pads/holders each time you change wheels.

There is also a 50mm full carbon clincher rim (it's on the price list but that doesn't always mean it is available) but it is slightly more than twice the price.

If people were looking at 50mm carbon tubular rims that is also an option.

The point of this thread is to determine what you all are looking for and then to put a buy together based on that.

All feedback is helpful.

If we had weights and prices it would probably be helpful in determining what we want.

I'd definitely prefer a 50 mm clincher full carbon, but I dunno if I can afford that. If we're talking $200 a rim or something, I'm interested. If we're talking $500, not so much.

Definitely would want to see 24/28, what rim depths are being considered/available?

Full carbon tubular, 50mm, at least 24/28 (I personally would prefer 28/32 but i don't see there being much demand for that).

If we had weights and prices it would probably be helpful in determining what we want.

I'd definitely prefer a 50 mm clincher full carbon, but I dunno if I can afford that. If we're talking $200 a rim or something, I'm interested. If we're talking $500, not so much.

Well if we're going to talk about price at this point, my ROUGH ESTIMATE would be about $130US each for the 50mm carbon/alum rims and $220US each for a 50mm full carbon clincher rim. This would not include shipping or bank fees.

If people were concerned about the drillings (not being standard Shimano 32s) and were looking for hubs to go with these rims, I could probably do sets of Novatec hubs for around $100US/set.

Let me know what you are looking for, people.

Any idea of the rough weights?

24/28 - although I would like a 32 rear for my powertap....meh.

I'd be inetersted in a 24/28 50mm full carbon clincher depending on weight.

I'm probably most interested in a 20/24 50 mm full carbon clincher depending on weight/price. It depends on the weight penalty for the aluminum brake surface, depends a lot on that. The price difference is pretty large.

28/28 interest.

if it's really $130 a rim for the carb alloy rims that'll be the perfect crit wheel

i'd only be interested if psimet or waterrockets built up my wheels for me. :innocent:

At the price you mentioned, I'd be in, probably no matter what the drilling. Maybe for two sets.

What is this, an Apple press conference?

Vagueness FTL.

28/28 interest.

Switch to 32 for me. It would be a daily rider.

I really would like a 32 full carbon clincher. I have a powertap that I'd like to lace up to a deeper rim. I don't care about the front.... I can easily get a hub in any hole count for that application.

Only interested in tubular or full carbon clincher. The weight penalty far outweighs any aero advantage from the rim depth. Braking is adequate even in wet climates with SwissStop Yellow pads, no need for aluminum braking surfaces. At a 50mm depth you could build some very stiff wheels for even heavy riders @ 20/24. But If I was smart I would buy a 32/32 to build a set for the tandem.

Only interested in tubular or full carbon clincher. The weight penalty far outweighs any aero advantage from the rim depth. Braking is adequate even in wet climates with SwissStop Yellow pads, no need for aluminum braking surfaces. At a 50mm depth you could build some very stiff wheels for even heavy riders @ 20/24. But If I was smart I would buy a 32/32 to build a set for the tandem.

huh?

im in for a set prob 20/24 or 24/28 once the price is posted.

These are begging to be the poor man's Cosmic Carbones, which are heavy as sin and amazing race wheels.

Bob-

I live on a tight bike budget. Basically I can buy a PT and set of nice carbon wheels or actually afford all the ancillary costs of riding and racing. As such, and knowing I'm not alone, here's what I'd love to see as rims for my one set of wheels (clyde, crap roads, racing, supported tours-read: no cargo, daily rides, the works) on my road bike:


All metal clincher rims. Polished would be great.
32 hole for durability and build options. Everything comes in 32h.
34-40mm height. Just enough aero.
weight: 600g is the ceiling (too much, really). 500g is the target. 400g is the dream.
Price: <$100/rim

depending on price would go for full carbon clinchers in 20/24 as you don't need any more spokes than that unless your 200 + , with deep rims you use shorter spokes and with carbon rims you get a stiff wheel, with 32 spokes would be unriddable with 50 or 60+ rim depth for someone in the 150/160 lb range even with 100 psi in tires, have never had road wheels with 32 spokes and have never broken a spoke or nipple. if I got a power tap would get it in 24 hole.some people want them for training wheels ,well I've never had training wheels ,always road my good wheels, all my wheels are carbon clinchers but for my soul 4.0 wheels, if you have someone who knows what he or she is doing building the wheels with first class spokes you should get at least 5k out of them. i tension my wheels yearly and have no problems.

I just bought one of those H+Son aluminum rims (32h) for my powertap... I'd love to do a carbon/alum clincher or full carbon clincher instead... 32h obviously.

I guess I was hoping for more of a consensus on drillings etc. Silly me.

Based on the responses thus far a group buy could look something like this:

Option #1. Carbon/Alum clincher in 24/28 @ $130US per rim,

Option #2. Carbon/Alum clincher in 32/32 @ $130US per rim,

Option #3. Full Carbon clincher in 20/24 @ $220US per rim.

Shipping would be in the neighbourhood of $80-$100.

How do we feel about these options? (Sorry, no weights yet). Also option #3 is tentative because I don't know if they actually have them available even though they are on the price list (this happens some times).

I guess I was hoping for more of a consensus on drillings etc. Silly me.

Based on the responses thus far a group buy could look something like this:

Option #1. Carbon/Alum clincher in 24/28 @ $130US per rim,

Option #2. Carbon/Alum clincher in 32/32 @ $130US per rim,

Option #3. Full Carbon clincher in 20/24 @ $220US per rim.

Shipping would be in the neighbourhood of $80-$100.

How do we feel about these options? (Sorry, no weights yet). Also option #3 is tentative because I don't know if they actually have them available even though they are on the price list (this happens some times).

Isn't this kind of expensive? The BD gigantex WHEEL set was $400 out the door, and I know you can get sample sets of built gigantex carbon 50mm wheels for $450 at this point with a little looking.

I'll be down for a C/Al clincher set if the shipping isn't going to kill the price

Isn't this kind of expensive? The BD gigantex WHEEL set was $400 out the door, and I know you can get sample sets of built gigantex carbon 50mm wheels for $450 at this point with a little looking.

The BD deal isn't on the table anymore and it was a pretty good deal.

But, if you want to compare consider that BD probably bought a ton of wheels and thereby got better pricing than I would. For this deal we are talking about a small amount of rims of various drillings. This raises the per unit price significantly.

What was the shipping on that deal?

Leaving shipping out for the moment, if you used similar hubs at $100US plus the rims at $260US a set that leaves $90US to buy spokes.

I'm sure you could manage to buy spokes of your choice for that.;)

If the BD price was a shipped price then it is pretty much a wash. If you do end up paying $10-20 more, proportionally, then I would consider it the cost of custom ordering drillings and configuration.

My take is it's a fair price.

Factories offer sample orders on very limited terms. It's pretty hard to order more than a few items especially if you're not a large customer like a bike company looking at 1000's of units.

Samples are also not supposed to be sold to the public. Stuff is sold that way but it's more often bro' deals than through regular retail channels. This isn't a good business practice and could damage relationships between the customer and the factory and between the factory and it's other customers.

Bad plan, non?

interested in the 20/24 full carbon clincher, any rough estimate on the weight/rim?

i'd only be interested if psimet or waterrockets built up my wheels for me. :innocent:

Done.

Come on people... put in some votes for a 32 hole full carbon clincher. I really want one or two to use with my powertap. :D

Bob, any chance, you can piggyback an odd drilling, like one or two 32 hole rims, on the order? I'd be willing to pay some extra to get it.

Come on people... put in some votes for a 32 hole full carbon clincher. I really want one or two to use with my powertap. :D

Bob, any chance, you can piggyback an odd drilling, like one or two 32 hole rims, on the order? I'd be willing to pay some extra to get it.

I would agree...I wouldn't mind picking up an odd 32 rear for my powertap.