"The 33"-Road Bike Racing - TSS/hr

How much TSS per hour do you guys usually rack up, on average, over a week's worth of rides? Including any recovery, etc...

500-600 this time of year. When DST hits it will go up by at least 100

500-600 this time of year. When DST hits it will go up by 100

500-600 per hour :eek: I need to HTFU :p

400-500 but i don't train hard/much

400/500 TSS PER HOUR?!

you're doing it wrong.

edit: ok umd your OP is confusing. The title asks TSS/hr, the post asks TSS/wk. Which is it?

TSS pissing matches are not useful anyways.

Oh Noes! not another pissing match? Don't we pull out our things enough already?

tss/hr is going to be pretty close, rides are going to be 50-100 tss/hr? with most people probably averaging around, what.. 80? per hour in a weeks time..

tss/hr is going to be pretty close, rides are going to be 50-100 tss/hr? with most people probably averaging around, what.. 80? per hour in a weeks time..

100 tss in 1 hour = FTP ride

exactly... so rides are probably going to be between .7 and 1.0 IF... but rarely at the far ends of that spectrum.

500-600 per hour :eek: I need to HTFU :p

You need to RTFU :)


How much TSS per hour do you guys usually rack up, on average, over a week's worth of rides? Including any recovery, etc...

exactly... so rides are probably going to be between .7 and 1.0 IF... but rarely at the far ends of that spectrum.

Yeppers...



What are you trying to figure out UMD?

What are you trying to figure out UMD?

+1. Not all TSS are created equal.

You need to RTFU :)


How much TSS per hour do you guys usually rack up, on average, over a week's worth of rides? Including any recovery, etc...

I guess so, but the title asked TSS/Hour. Anyway, I was just poking fun. Right now my weekly is about 650-750, which comes to about 54 per hour.

Guys, you are making it more difficult than it has to be. Total TSS for the week divided by total hours per the week. I'm not trying to start a pissing match, I'm just trying to see where my average intensity falls in the spectrum. I've been riding less overall, and doing higher quality workouts and my average TSS/hr has gone up.

Nothing nefarious here, just curious.

Guys, you are making it more difficult than it has to be. Total TSS for the week divided by total hours per the week. I'm not trying to start a pissing match, I'm just trying to see where my average intensity falls in the spectrum. I've been riding less overall, and doing higher quality workouts and my average TSS/hr has gone up.

Nothing nefarious here, just curious.

Well, there you go.

I'm doing a hell of a lot of strength work and running. Not nearly as much riding. I have seen there are threads about estimating TSS and IF for those activities, but haven't made myself familiar....

...so ...just riding....form my short experience with power and TSS I am seeing that I have averaging out at an intensity factor in the .8-.9 range. I am doing a lot of threshold intervals and indoor TT's so i usually have at least one ride per week that is slightly over IF of 1.0

If it's not threshold it's recovery right now.....so no telling where I will end up.

because of the amount of other time I spend in the gym my total TSS for the week (only bike) is about 300-ish at best. My time split is about 60% riding 40% gym right now....

Meatballs - It Just Doesn't Matter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3S_k1dRbXY)

so then you're wondering about our ATL? ;)

so then you're wondering about our ATL? ;)

No, ATL is TSS/day. It's still a measure of volume. I'm just curious about intensity. More like average IF.


edit: ok umd your OP is confusing. The title asks TSS/hr, the post asks TSS/wk. Which is it?

The post asked:


How much TSS per hour do you guys usually rack up, on average, over a week's worth of rides? Including any recovery, etc...

The FAQ on trainingpeaks.com says between 50-75 TSS/hr is "the norm". I'm currently at 51.3 since Oct (end of last season to now and mostly base). Last season all-in I was 65/hr.

Its so sad to see an entire season reduced to 2 data points in a graph. Two very painful, very lonely data points in a very sad, very empty graph...

...so ...just riding....form my short experience with power and TSS I am seeing that I have averaging out at an intensity factor in the .8-.9 range. I am doing a lot of threshold intervals and indoor TT's so i usually have at least one ride per week that is slightly over IF of 1.0


That's inclusive of all riding, including warm-up, cool down, etc or just the work intervals? Not saying that's wrong, just wondering. I seemed to be at .8 (exactly) last year including racing and everything.

No, ATL is TSS/day. It's still a measure of volume. I'm just curious about intensity. More like average IF.



The post asked:

i read good.

:D

The FAQ on trainingpeaks.com says between 50-75 TSS/hr is "the norm". I'm currently at 51.3 since Oct (end of last season to now and mostly base). Last season all-in I was 65/hr.

That's the kind of information I was looking for, thanks.

63.4

I can bench 240.

I can bench 240.

I use to. Now I can get the bar with a spotter.

My IF is usually between .72 and .8 Every once in a while I will push it a little harder.

That's inclusive of all riding, including warm-up, cool down, etc or just the work intervals? Not saying that's wrong, just wondering. I seemed to be at .8 (exactly) last year including racing and everything.

Yes. That's also a WAG based on what I remember seeing. I do not have WKO+ so I use a macro ridden spreadsheet that I found on Wattage group do calculate that off of my Power Agent files. I could be greatly mistaken, but I remember most rides at either .76 to .8 and the TT's have been over 1.0.

Lowest IF I have seen was a ride where I was trying to ride in a "recovery power zone" - or at least my intrepretation of one. It was something like .56.

Again I could be off. Still figuring this stuff out.

Could also be that my ftp is set too low in that calculation sheet. It may well be, but if it is then it is not by much (5-10W at most)

I can bench 240.

What's a bench? :o

Normally I'm one of the guys who points out a pissing match, but honestly I'm new enough to this stuff that I wouldn't recognize a piss worthy number if it splattered all over my face.

My average per hour for the whole of Jan was 63.9.

That said, I am a noob so making big gains so establishing new FTPs quite frequently. This obviously increases TSS of each new ride as I am doing it at or above what my threshold was set at from the week before, if you catch my drift...

I think some people have 10 day weeks? :notamused:

I think some people have 10 day weeks? :notamused:

I think there's a lot of people that are either students, unemployed, or self-employed with stable businesses on here.

Myself I got in the following for hours in January:
Riding (mostly trainer) : 20h23m
Strength (core and weights) : 5h50m
Running (le suck) : 2h <- Mainly 10 minute warmups for core work

So my ratio is more like 24% of my workouts are not riding...I guess....:thumb:
That comes out to roughly 5.6 hours/week. Sad. :notamused:

Last week (7 days ;)) my TSS was 1155 over 15.5 hours on the bike so 74.5.

This included everything from the moment I throw my leg over to the moment I get off and throw back a coke. I didn't do the training race last week or it might be a tad higher.

Steve, I think you're going to get a wide range based on whether people do most of their riding indoors vs. outdoors. Take a look at this link and you'll see that the HIT crowd (ie, indoor training crowd) spends a lot of time in TE & TH, whereas the rider who does most of their training outdoors will put in a lot of L2.

http://www.cyclingforums.com/t467337.html

I average between 8-15 hours per week and my TSS ranges between 550-900 for those hours, but that said I put in more E and AR time than the average cold-weather rider.

gene r


Guys, you are making it more difficult than it has to be. Total TSS for the week divided by total hours per the week. I'm not trying to start a pissing match, I'm just trying to see where my average intensity falls in the spectrum. I've been riding less overall, and doing higher quality workouts and my average TSS/hr has gone up.

Nothing nefarious here, just curious.

Gene, how did your races go? Did you do the RR and the crits or just the RR?

I just checked my last couple months of data..

every week was in the low 70's tss / hour

Last three weeks were 57, 60, 67. I'm riding outdoors, no commuting or recovery rides but a lot of endurance paced stuff as I feel my endurance is poor after having been sick. Hours range from 11.5-14. I don't count gym time or the infrequent trainer "ride" in those numbers.

I think some people have 10 day weeks? :notamused:

In Nov-Dec I was doing 14 day blocks of training with no rest

Lets talk about something that really matters like how to read CTL/ATL and what it means to your training.

Once upon a time, there was a girl. This girl was a very talented bike rider and she decided to go after a National Championship in the pursuit. She got herself a very good coach who told her the path to success was to work on her anaerobic power. The girl listened to the coach and trained very hard. She did high intensity intervals and had a very high IF (TSS/hr). The girl went to Nationals and did well placing on the podium but not winning. So she went home and continued to train hard and had very high TSS/hr but she still couldn't win her race.

Then she met a wise man who told her, "Little girl, the secret to your success is not chasing anaerobic power with high intensity intervals, you need to work on aerobic power." The girl listened to the wise man, the intensity of her work dropped, her TSS/hr went down and she won her National Championship Jersey.

The moral of the story is don't chase numbers for their own sake, performance is the metric. All the various measures of training are just tools to give insight to guide your training, not a meaningful end in themselves.

p.s. The little girl fell in love and lived happily ever after.

Once upon a time, there was a girl. This girl was a very talented bike rider and she decided to go after a National Championship in the pursuit. She got herself a very good coach who told her the path to success was to work on her anaerobic power. The girl listened to the coach and trained very hard. She did high intensity intervals and had a very high IF (TSS/hr). The girl went to Nationals and did well placing on the podium but not winning. So she went home and continued to train hard and had very high TSS/hr but she still couldn't win her race.

Then she met a wise man who told her, "Little girl, the secret to your success is not chasing anaerobic power with high intensity intervals, you need to work on aerobic power." The girl listened to the wise man, the intensity of her work dropped, her TSS/hr went down and she won her National Championship Jersey.

The moral of the story is don't chase numbers for their own sake, performance is the metric. All the various measures of training are just tools to give insight to guide your training, not a meaningful end in themselves.

p.s. The little girl fell in love and lived happily ever after.

beautiful <wipes tear>

Once upon a time, there was a girl. This girl was a very talented bike rider and she decided to go after a National Championship in the pursuit. She got herself a very good coach who told her the path to success was to work on her anaerobic power. The girl listened to the coach and trained very hard. She did high intensity intervals and had a very high IF (TSS/hr). The girl went to Nationals and did well placing on the podium but not winning. So she went home and continued to train hard and had very high TSS/hr but she still couldn't win her race.

Then she met a wise man who told her, "Little girl, the secret to your success is not chasing anaerobic power with high intensity intervals, you need to work on aerobic power." The girl listened to the wise man, the intensity of her work dropped, her TSS/hr went down and she won her National Championship Jersey.

The moral of the story is don't chase numbers for their own sake, performance is the metric. All the various measures of training are just tools to give insight to guide your training, not a meaningful end in themselves.

p.s. The little girl fell in love and lived happily ever after.

Just curious why you think people are not working their aerobic power with a high TSS/hr ratio? I agree that chasing numbers is not a good way to live/train. If I follow the wise man's advice and work my aerobic power, will I too fall in love and live happily ever after?:D

About 75 TSS/HR. Looking at my power distribution chart for the last 28 days, I have spikes in the middle of threshold and in the middle of endurance. I'm thinking of having a roller day, probably wednesdays, for an hour and a half of endurance. :(

Just curious why you think people are not working their aerobic power with a high TSS/hr ratio? I agree that chasing numbers is not a good way to live/train. If I follow the wise man's advice and work my aerobic power, will I too fall in love and live happily ever after?:D

To illustrate your point, I had an average IF of .859 (AP 82% FTP) for January through February 2008 (including warm-up, cool-down and recovery intervals). All sweet spot.

So far this year I'm hovering around .809 (AP 76% FTP)

My average annual IF is .811 (AP 72% FTP)

Oh, we're talking about TSS/hr? ~74 last winter, 65 last month, 66 annual average.

How do you calculate average IF? Are you just taking the sum of all IF's divided by the number of workouts? Wouldn't the duration of the workouts need to be factored in?

How do you calculate average IF? Are you just taking the sum of all IF's divided by the number of workouts? Wouldn't the duration of the workouts need to be factored in?

I just used a custom periodic chart and plugging in IF as one of the data series. I just checked it against average normalised power and it lines up. I keep a 7 day chart going with IF, hours, kJ (and AP, just for fun)

Just curious why you think people are not working their aerobic power with a high TSS/hr ratio?

Nowhere did I write anything of the sort. I cited an example where one rider changed the focus of her training and her performance improved even though her IF decreased. It illustrates the fallacy of trying to correlate measures of training load to training response.

Nowhere did I write anything of the sort. I cited an example where one rider changed the focus of her training and her performance improved even though her IF decreased. It illustrates the fallacy of trying to correlate measures of training load to training response.

Would you say that it is still a decent measure of intensity, just not whether the intensity is productive? Would it also be fair to say that there may be a typical range that is most effective and too little or too much is less productive?

All questions are answered here.


http://alex-cycle.blogspot.com/2006/10/my-performance-manager-chart.html