Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - Cinelli Vigorelli or Supercorsa Pista?

As some of you may have noticed, I will be selling my Pake in order to build a lighter and faster ss bike. I also work for BTI and can get Cinelli frames at wholesale cost. I was looking at the Vigorelli and the Supercorsa Pista, the weight for the Vigorelli is 3.3lb for the frame and 1.23 for the fork, while the Supercorsa Pista weighs in at 3.69lb for the frame and 1.3 lb for the fork. I honestly like the supercorsa pista more because its lugged and i can get it in black. However the Vigorelli is beautiful, what would you guys suggest? And why? Heres the specs:
COLOUR
VIGORELLI
Italian White



SIZES 50 - 52 - 54 - 56 - 58

FRAME COLUMBUS Airplane

FORK Carbon 1-1/8'' - Aluminium steerer

TECHNICAL DETAILS
# Head set diameter: COLUMBUS 45° Alu
# Seat post diameter: CINELLI Vai Ø 31,6
# BB shell diameter: PASSO INGLESE BSA
# Front derailleur adaptor diameter: -

FEATURES Perfect frame for track competitions, already tested in the most famous velodromes. The Cinelli track-geometry equipped with a fork with straight blades and a rake of 35mm, guarantee the “best control”. The shaped rear stays offer the “best rigidity”.

SUPERCORSA PISTA
COLOUR

Giallo


Blu China


Nero


Azzurro Laser


Rosso Ferrari


Verde Jaguar


Titanium Grey


Bianco Perla



SIZES 49/61 - 1 cm

FRAME COLUMBUS Spirit Niobium Steel

FORK COLUMBUS Kerin Steel 1'' threaded

TECHNICAL DETAILS
# Head set diameter:
# Seat post diameter: Ø 27,2
# BB shell diameter: Italian
# Front derailleur adaptor diameter:

FEATURES The traditional “Cino Cinelli” geometries highlight the esthetical cleanness and increase the performance of the Columbus Niobium Spirit steel frame: dedicated to the purists of track. The conical down tube, flat fork head, round blades and the highly cured handcraft finishing, complete this Cinelli most exclusive frame.

These will both be built up as beautifully simple and fast sunny weather commuters rockin expensive carbon wheelsets and every other carbon part I can throw on. Call me a weight weenie, I already have a heavy ass GED built for street and dj use so with this one I wanna be able to fly:thumb:
Thanks for all your help. I will post the prices that I get these for later today when I can get my catalog from my gf's house

if it was me i'd get the supercorsa pista in azzurro laser. Looks so nice. I prefer the ride of steel over aluminum.

From what I heard a Vigorelli is a heavy little thing for aluminum. For the price of the supercorsa you're probably better off getting a custom frame or a Langster S-works, gold.

seeing as the weights are really close its up to which style, i saw someone riding the vigorelli and it was awesome looking, but also looks expensive so if you lock it up chance of getting stolen. Only those who know about cinelli or about track bikes will know that the supercorsa is even more expensive but seems like you want aesthetics from the corso but weight of the vigorelli, flip a coin.

i vote vigorelli.

Supercorsa Pista.

But when you are spending that kind of money get what YOU want. Not what we think is cool. Get the bike that solves a particular problem for you, not us.

Vigorelli: loud and flashy, aluminum
Supercorsa Pista: subdued elegance, classic styling, steel

I prefer the Supercorsa Pista. It's a beautiful, beautiful bike. But so bloody expensive.

Well the thing is, I'm not trying to see what you guys like because I would get both of them if I could. I am not worried about theft because I take my bike in with me to work. Its just hard to decide. Anyways here are the prices:the SuperPista I get for 1234 and the Vigorelli I get for 704 so it would make sense to go for either one really. The SuperPista is steel which will ride better but the Vigorelli is cheaper which means I will have more to spend on parts, now you see my dilemma?

you can always upgrade parts later, get the nicer frame.

you can always upgrade parts later, get the nicer frame.

I agree. The frame is the foundation.

Take your time and do it right.

supercorsa pista

rockin expensive carbon wheelsets and every other carbon part I can throw on.
Vigorelli.

damn....so hard, it seems the main vote is the Pista but maybe I should poll this? Or start a new poll?? Can I even poll on this forum?

http://velospace.org/files/_DSC0757.jpg

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_kSZskQcxJa0/SZ_F3E9J1wI/AAAAAAAAHbk/l38QO5N7CPs/s720/Cinelli%20SuperCorsa.jpg

So hard....I love the racy look of the Vigorelli, I dont care too much for the red Pista but couldn't find a black one...

That's not a pista. That's a road bike.

http://velospace.org/files/_DSC0757.jpg
So hard....I love the racy look of the Vigorelli, I dont care too much for the red Pista but couldn't find a black one...

Dude, if that's your idea of an awesome Vigorelli build then there's no helping you.

I have a feeling that you won't get any bike and you are just dreaming (and there's nothing wrong with that. We all do it) or you will make a hipsterific bike.

THIS is an excellent build of a classic Italian track bike: Colnago Master Pista http://www.flickr.com/photos/41fever/3315370520/

From what I heard a Vigorelli is a heavy little thing for aluminum. For the price of the supercorsa you're probably better off getting a custom frame or a Langster S-works, gold.

Did you read the OP?

Impure, figure out how much you value stiffness. That should solve your problem. Spirit tubes are thin as hell and traditional diameter I believe, so the Pista may ride nice on the rough stuff but probably isn't going to be very stiff for fast sprints. The two frames aren't really that directly comparable though - one is built for retrogrouches, vintage enthusiasts and lugged steel hipsters, the other is built for racing on a track.

As they say, STEEL IS REAL.

Did you read the OP?

Impure, figure out how much you value stiffness. That should solve your problem. Spirit tubes are thin as hell and traditional diameter I believe, so the Pista may ride nice on the rough stuff but probably isn't going to be very stiff for fast sprints. The two frames aren't really that directly comparable though - one is built for retrogrouches, vintage enthusiasts and lugged steel hipsters, the other is built for racing on a track.

I think you convinced me, while the Pista is a nice bike it is very retro and could see the hipsters on that thing with their fixed up messenger bags and those freakin weird hats. I decided on the Vigorelli because of the performance junkie in me. It may be less comfortable than the steel but its gonna be one hell of a sprinter. Thanks for everyones help btw

I mean hipsters ride both frames... but yeah, I'd look at it from a performance perspective for sure. If you're actually going to run carbon parts they'll look a lot more 'in place' on a Vigorelli too. But seriously, if you go with some low profile rims, double butted spokes and quality tires, you should be able to trade off some of the 'harshness' that comes with oversized aluminum while losing nothing in efficiency.

Did you read the OP?

Why would I do that?

Why would I do that?

Go back to 4chan.

Thanks for the convincing Andre. If I sell my pake this week(pending sale) I will put a downpayment on the vigorelli at work. Again, thanks everyone

I think you convinced me, while the Pista is a nice bike it is very retro and could see the hipsters on that thing with their fixed up messenger bags and those freakin weird hats. I decided on the Vigorelli because of the performance junkie in me. It may be less comfortable than the steel but its gonna be one hell of a sprinter. Thanks for everyones help btw

that Vigorelli you posted a picture of is pretty hipsterific, I see a lot of those being built up, rarely do I see the Supercorsa. just saying...

http://velospace.org/files/_DSC0757.jpg

http://durkadurkaland.com/images/smiles/facepalm.gif

what a horribly tacky way to built up such a fantastic frame.

i hope they got bored with "fixies" and sold it to someone with a little more sensibility...

I love vigorellis, I would definitely get one if/when I get that kind of disposable money.

Vigorelli FTW!

Take of the top tube pad, blue cranks, and put a different saddle on and I like that vigorelli build.

just a little to matchy matchy with those cranks.

I'll take the Vigorelli, thank you.

supercorsa pista, obviously.

that Vigorelli you posted a picture of is pretty hipsterific, I see a lot of those being built up, rarely do I see the Supercorsa. just saying...

That's mostly because the Supercorsa retails for about as much as most people put into their whole build, and that's talking no half-stepping on any of the details.

Think about what you'd pay for a Supercorsa and then double that number...



























$2400

I know. That's why the hipster argument is a moot point. The price of the Supercorsa prices out your garden-variety hipster. If you have the means to buy that or the Vigorelli, and you use the hipster factor as your decision maker, the Supercorsa Pista is the bike you should go for.

for the money, I'd go custom...a custom mercian, for example.

Also, http://jenchoi.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/kanye-west-track-bike-cinelli-vigorelli.jpg

Oh god don't show me that stupid picture its awful. Well the reason I am building the vigorelli over the pista is because the vigorelli is a true track bike which equals performance, it will have nothing but carbon fiber on it so it can be as light as possible and as fast as possible. I wish I could build one of cinelli's carbon bikes but just don't have the money to throw down on one of their frames because I'm also building my gf her first ride and gonna try and build me a transition bottlerocket as well

Is it irrelevant for me to point out that it's entirely impractical to commute on a high performance track bike draped in full carbon? I mean really, a commuter bike sees all sorts of road conditions, gets crashed, scuffed up, and thrown around in general. If you're going to be dropping this kind of money on a bike, take it to the track. Either that, or buy something more practical and deck it out in phil/paul and other high end DURABLE goodies.

Oh, and parts don't make a bike fast, but if you ride enough, you will.

And sorry if I'm being redundant but why do you want a bike like this to commute on? Bling factor and because you can? Serious question, be honest. Nothing intrinsically wrong about wanting nice stuff but lets not kid ourselves.

He's not commuting on it. (for the 33rd time)

I get your point.while I know that its not the bike that makes you fast, its tree trunk legs, the lighter you get the faster you could possibly go. I ride everyday to work now and all day on the weekends and my legs are pretty strong. The only thing limiting me right now is riding a low geared 36lb. Ged that's built for street and dj. This Vigorelli will be built for occasional commuting and mainly fast fun. Hopefully I can get to the track with it too. And If I ever did wanna use it as my daily commuter I could lace up some phil hubs and have one sweet wheelset and one sweet and durable one.

Lighter bikes do not equal higher top speed. That's determined by your fitness and aerodynamics. Lighter bikes merely mean faster acceleration up to speed, and less weight to account for in a long climb (therefore, a slightly easier time climbing).

That is true...however with a lighter bike I will be able to hit a higher top speed and keep it longer than I can with my current ride. I agree with everything you say, but when I respond, I am responding in lieu of my current situation riding my hog of a bike.

supercorsa pista, obviously.
ditto.

In view of my current situation, not in lieu...I fail. And yes I tried editing it. My phone doensn't wanna load the message

Oh god don't show me that stupid picture its awful. Well the reason I am building the vigorelli over the pista is because the vigorelli is a true track bike which equals performance, it will have nothing but carbon fiber on it so it can be as light as possible and as fast as possible. I wish I could build one of cinelli's carbon bikes but just don't have the money to throw down on one of their frames because I'm also building my gf her first ride and gonna try and build me a transition bottlerocket as well

So you mean to tell me that you intend to build a transition bike in the mean-time AND build your GF a bike then build an as-carbon-as-I-can street bike? You mentioned putting a downpayment on the Vigorelli? If you are buying it at cost, your downpayment IS the entire cost! Probably +10% shipping from Italy.

My Spidey Sense tells me that this project will never happen.

I'm not hating on you. I just want you to be more realistic. Pick one project at a time. Understand that projects like this almost always cost more than you expect. If you aren't in the financial position to buy just the frame/fork outright at cost, I find it hard to believe that you can finance the masterpiece that you envision.

No I totally understand where your coming from, I won't have all these projects going on at once though. Soon as I sell my pake I'm putting that money toward the vigorelli. I will have the vigorelli before the end of next month.I am actually buying my gf a cheap fixie for now while she and I can save to accumulate parts for her final build. And the transition is just going to have to wait till I get the Vigorelli built. You gotta remember though, all parts that I get are at wholesale cost which is cheap.

You gotta remember though, all parts that I get are at wholesale cost which is cheap.

Yes, and it was nice of you to share the wholesale costs earlier ;) Interestingly, you could probably still get the frame cheaper online from Europe, although not after shipping :O

http://www.totalcycling.com/index.php/product/parts_accessories/frames_cinelli/FR_VIGO.html

oh, dont remind me. I found it cheaper than I can get it for. But at least parts will be a little easier on the wallet.