Classic & Vintage - How much do you think they weigh?

I just got a new bike scale. Might as well have some fun with it. I'll post the answers tomorrow.

1974 Peugeot PA10 (Carbolite 103 tubing)
http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/43334/2708246530068014369S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2708246530068014369XdReXj)

1974 Peugeot PX10
http://inlinethumb06.webshots.com/31749/2684355440068014369S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2684355440068014369RyHaBw)

A Carton frame built in 1959 with a Raleigh Competition fork and a new aluminum SA 3 speed hub. The fenders are aluminum.
http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/41343/2928352810068014369S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2928352810068014369VIYfTZ)

Ok, I'll guess 24.5, 21.5, 26.

Ok, I'll guess 24.5, 21.5, 26.

wow, those are rather generous!

1. 25-26ish, 2, 24ish, and the last.. 30ish!

Regardless of what they weigh, they're three lovely bikes.

Dirtdrop,

What stem are you using on your 74 Pug. Is it a Nitto Technomic Deluxe or just a Technomic?

25.5-26.5

25-25.5

26.5-27

-Kurt

Dirtdrop,

What stem are you using on your 74 Pug. Is it a Nitto Technomic Deluxe or just a Technomic?

Deluxe. Stripped and polished.

Deluxe. Stripped and polished.

Thought so. Thanks!

I plan on doing the same thing for my Univega project.

28
25
30

12.4
11.6
13.6 kg

26
24
29

wow, those are rather generous!

1. 25-26ish, 2, 24ish, and the last.. 30ish!

Well I won't feel so bad about my bikes if you are right. It's really hard to nail down the weight of a bike - my Giro d'Italia went from 22-lbs to 25-lbs, give or take, when I changed from Fiamme Red Label tubular rims, sew-ups and a UnicaNitor saddle to Rigida AL1622 rims, 700x28C Panaracer Pasela TG tires, and a Brooks Team Professional. Nothing that would be particularly obvious. I weighed the complete wheel/tire combination on a postal scale and each wheel was 420g heavier. That's almost a pound each.

1. .81 slugs
2. 1.75 stone
3. 9041 pennyweight. 8945 if you bag the coffee cup.

What do I win?

1. 25 lbs
2. 21.5 lbs
3. 24 lbs

36-24-36,
oh wait a minute, wrong website.
:D

PA10 - 24 pounds... The Stronglight probably knocked a pound off the stock weight and I am guessing the Brooks is similar to the stock saddle.

PX10 - 21.4 pounds... just a speck heavier than stock.

Carlton - 29 pounds as I bet that frame and fork are very light.

24
23
28

24.4
21.2
25.8

24.5
22.5
30.5

24
22.5
27.5

Carlton is 24.5

PX10 is about 22.5

The carbolite looks like it has sew ups...So its probably lighter than we think I guess 22.5

Bike 1: medium
Bike 2: lighter
Bike 3: heavier

Here are the results:

The PA10 is the lightest at 23.61 lbs. The tubular wheels are very light and it has only five speeds. Maybe Carbolite 103 isn't such bad stuff? I'll never call it gaspipe again.

The PX10 weighs 24.29 lbs. How did it get there from the claimed weight of 21.5? The wheels are clinchers with wire bead tires. With the exception of the seatpost, I think all of the I think all of the Italian components are a little heavier than the French ones they replaced. The T.A. pedals are heavier than the Lyotards were. The Brooks saddle is definitely heavier than the plastic Ideale 2001. There's also all that clearcoat.

The Carlton weighs 25.57 lbs. Sure, the hub weighs over 2 lbs, but there's no derailers, no freewheel and just one chainring. The frame is double butted Reynolds 531. I could knock off some more weight with a lighter saddle and seatpost, but I like it the way it is.

I've still got a Fuji Mixte, a Bridgestone MB2 and a Gitane Tour de France to weigh and I'll post them this weekend.

Jeez I wasn't too far off except for the PX10. That's exactly what happened to my Giro d'Italia. It's a pig now.

I almost nailed the PA which is closer to stock than the rest of the bikes... the cottered to cotterless usually equals a -1 when you do it.

The PX 10 was a 21 pound bike (stock) with a leather saddle so those Italian parts must be really beefy.

I am impressed with the Carlton as 25.5 is really light for any bike with an IGH.

I like the guess the weight game.

The PX10 never had a real leather saddle. The Ideale 2001 was thin leather stretched over plastic. I think the claimed weight was 21.5 lbs, but that was with silk tubulars and probably their smallest frame. Those Suntour Barcons aren't light, even with the covers removed. The NR triple adds some weight, too.

The only thing I may change is the wheels. I'd like to go back to tubulars and high flange hubs. It has 27" wheels now and the front pads are just about all the way down, so I'll have to go back to Mafac Competitions. It never ends

It truly never ends...

I have been looking through catalogues to get a positive ID on my beloved Pug and think that she is a rather uncommon UJ10 as this is the only sub 21 inch frame I could find in the '74 catalogues, the parts spec was correct, the pump pegs are in the right place, and the frame angles match up as they are a little steeper than the UO and AE models and their variants.

She also has a lugless bb and Bocama lugs which are a little prettier and probably special made for the smaller frame.

With 12 inches of bb clearance you still need to have an inseam of 32 inches to stand over the bike.

Wanna guess her weight ?

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikepics/bridgettenewbars1.jpg

http://www.ravingbikefiend.com/bikepics/bridgettenewbars2.jpg

The only stock parts are the frame, fork, and seatpost.

I just got a new bike scale.




What scale did you get? I had a weight weenie relapse and ordered the cheapie from Horror Freight a few days ago. Should be here soon.

Tthe Sunlite from Icycles. I liked the repair stand mount and the price.

The Harbor Freight scale is only $12.99, $20 delivered. You never know what you're going to get there, though. Some of their stuff is ok if you don't have to use it every day, some of it is, well......

With a weight limit of 45 lbs it will weigh my Santana tandem, and even a Varsity if one ever follows me home.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/97200-97299/97227.gif

Dirtdrop - You really need to go back to tubulars on that PX-10. Weighing over 24 pounds... why that's scandalous!! :eek: ;)

Dirtdrop - You really need to go back to tubulars on that PX-10. Weighing over 24 pounds... why that's scandalous!! :eek: ;)

Or somebody needs to start making double walled, double eyeleted, polished box section rims with hooked beads in 700C! (One of my pet peaves...:notamused:). Then you could just use a modern light kevlar bead clincher and all would be well. You gotta figure there is enough of a C&V market for it. But not yet anyway...

I bid $150 for a pair of used (not NOS!) Mavic Module E's on the 'Bay and still lost. :(

I remember Chris at Velo-Orange mentioning something about bringing in some single-walled polished box section rims but there didn't seem to be much enthusiasm for them so I doubt he'll do it.

Velocity now makes dw box section rims...

Velocity now makes dw box section rims...

Interesting, I see the Twin Hollow and the Glider which seem to be new. Then again, the Glider is gimungous at 26mm width and the Twin Hollow is medium width at 22mm. And 540g!

We need one that is something like 13mm inside/20mm outside and 500g max. 450g would be better. And polished! That dull anodized aluminum just don't get it.

I'm particularly found of the Super Champion Gentleman, 498g in 27". If somebody could make a copy of that in 700C I'd buy a few pairs. And that would take a light 700x23 tire with no problem.

I was thinking of the Velocity Razor... dw, box section, and eyeletted.

They are also 20mm and weigh 450 grams.

I have a few Super Champion rims I have been meaning to lace up...

Interesting, I see the Twin Hollow and the Glider which seem to be new. Then again, the Glider is gimungous at 26mm width and the Twin Hollow is medium width at 22mm. And 540g!

We need one that is something like 13mm inside/20mm outside and 500g max. 450g would be better. And polished! That dull anodized aluminum just don't get it.

I'm particularly found of the Super Champion Gentleman, 498g in 27". If somebody could make a copy of that in 700C I'd buy a few pairs. And that would take a light 700x23 tire with no problem.

I heard Sun is making polished aluminum rims now too. Not sure if 27", 700c or both.

I was thinking of the Velocity Razor... dw, box section, and eyeletted.

They are also 20mm and weigh 450 grams.

Yeah those are decent. Not quite box section but useable. But I don't think they come in a polished finished. There is a place in Australia that sells polished Razors.

Those are Super Champions on the PX10. The hubs are Maillard 700 and the spokes are Robergel Three Stars.

I wish I could find some more rims like the ones on my Gitane. They're Mavics and are labled simply MA. They're polished and then clear anodized, so they're easy to live with. I like the Mavic 501 hubs on that wheelset, too.

I posted this bad boy a few days ago after weighing him. For anyone who didn't see the first thread, what do you think this bike weighs (including baskets)?

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e341/Doohickie/Bicycle08/Picture177.jpg

I'll guess 35. Might get more guesses with a fresh thread though.

39!

I weighed it the other night.

52

That's more than twice the weight of my Carlton 3 speed!

I weighed it the other night.

52

And 2.3 times as heavy as my old Pug !