Great Lakes - Blackhawk Farms Race & Pics

Here are some pics from the race today..Timmyquest..did not know who you were but if you see yourself, let me know.

I ended up 13th out of 47 in the Cat5. I did not move up as aggressively as I should have on the last lap. Had to weave through people on the final sprint.

IT WAS COLD...so I stayed for one race, noon Cat4/5, and shot pics. I know MJH2 and PSI so they are in the pics. The pics seem a bit blurry...either the lens was fogged, I was shaking from the cold or the lens was dirty. Regardless, here they are.

Breaking away...note the field way behinf MJH2 in this shot.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e155/RJBTrek/DSC_0344-1.jpg

MJH2 and PSI
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e155/RJBTrek/DSC_0327.jpg

PSI!!!! Did you steal your kids helmet????
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e155/RJBTrek/DSC_0331.jpg

MJH2
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e155/RJBTrek/DSC_0329.jpg

Pack Sprint
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http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e155/RJBTrek/DSC_0355.jpg

The pictures just don't convey the coldness.

Yeah, that was a miserable day. You guys should have hung around for the Pro 1/2 when it got REALLY miserable! :o

Early pix ... the good stuff a bit later. ;)

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc54/biffbradford/cycling/IMG_5685sm.jpg

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc54/biffbradford/cycling/IMG_5548sm.jpg

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc54/biffbradford/cycling/IMG_5611sm.jpg

I didn't get there until after noon, but hung out with Scummer and Recursive a bit.

Yeah, that was a miserable day. You guys should have hung around for the Pro 1/2 when it got REALLY miserable! :o

Early pix ... the good stuff a bit later. ;)

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc54/biffbradford/cycling/IMG_5685sm.jpg

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc54/biffbradford/cycling/IMG_5548sm.jpg

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc54/biffbradford/cycling/IMG_5611sm.jpg

I didn't get there until after noon, but hung out with Scummer and Recursive a bit.


Thanks for the pics... both of you. Good stuff and a frigid day!

you guys look great... and strong!! awesome pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

None of me...thankfully ;)

I brought the camera, but i was too cold to try much. I got a few, the lady grabbed a few too. I'll post them tomorrow..

None of me...thankfully ;)

I brought the camera, but i was too cold to try much. I got a few, the lady grabbed a few too. I'll post them tomorrow..

If you were in the noon cat 4/5, what color jersey/logo did you have. I have other pics.

I only rode in the later (12:50) one.

I have about 70 pics. I'm going to upload them once I get some time.

Yeah, that was a miserable day. You guys should have hung around for the Pro 1/2 when it got REALLY miserable! :o

Early pix ... the good stuff a bit later. ;)


Holy crap! Chip Grey's helmet and bike was covered with ice! That was totally nuts...:eek:

We REALLY lucked out in the earlier races!

Holy crap! Chip Grey's helmet and bike was covered with ice! That was totally nuts...:eek:

We REALLY lucked out in the earlier races!

The fact that they raced it that weather is a testament to why they are 1's and 2's...

The fact that they raced it that weather is a testament to why they are 1's and 2's...

Props to everyone who rode yesterday. Cat 1/2's know how to suffer ... and boy did they. ;)

PSImet race face!!! It is offically cycling season!!! :roflmao2:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e155/RJBTrek/DSC_0331.jpg

holy crap! Chip grey's helmet and bike was covered with ice! That was totally nuts...:eek:

We really lucked out in the earlier races!

+1

PSImet race face!!! It is offically cycling season!!! :roflmao2:


Like cycling's equivalent of groundhog day....

I'll have the pan fried chicken, I said.

You want the 2 piece or the 4 piece dinner?, the waitress asked.

I wasn't too hungry but I ordered the 4 piece anyway. It had been a long day and pretty much all I'd had to eat was a bowl of oatmeal and a couple packs of Shot Blocks. I figured my appetite would come back sooner or later.

Turns out it came back as soon as the "country fixin's" hit the table. Warm bread, cole slaw, cottage cheese. It never tasted so good.

Then the chicken. 4 pieces, mashed potatoes, smothered in gravy. I ate the whole thing in 7 minutes.

Had to have raspberry pie after that, just for the principle of the matter.

Power Tap said I burned 1700 calories but I'd add some more just fighting off the cold.

After time has passed and softened some of the hard edges it's my belief this will be one of the more memorable races I've participated in. The experience was so rich and deep and hard that it will stand out in memory.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we seemed to forge a brotherhood out there. Of course we all wanted to win and do well and get a good result, but beating the weather soon became paramount.

HAHA! Was it just me or did that cottage cheese hit the spot! I still can't believe you did 3 races. Crazy. I thought doing 2 was plenty.

I missed the pie, but had a pop-tart and a 12 pack when I got home...ugh....

See you in Hillsborough!

Hey Psi or MJH2.

Anyone want to post some PT #s for the 4/5 races? The average speed for both races was almost identical. I didn't race with my PT (just had Garmin 205) but was wondering what AP and NP might look like.

btw, the laps were 1.7 miles and laptimes were running about 4:20, except for the last lap. Average speed 23.2 mph for both.

They cut short the masters 4/5 race to under 30 minutes (7 laps) the open 4/5 was very close to 45 mins (10 laps). Pity they knocked a lap off the masters race. I might have had a chance to recover from my abortive prime and breakaway efforts.

Hey Psi or MJH2.

Anyone want to post some PT #s for the 4/5 races? The average speed for both races was almost identical. I didn't race with my PT (just had Garmin 205) but was wondering what AP and NP might look like.

btw, the laps were 1.7 miles and laptimes were running about 4:20, except for the last lap. Average speed 23.2 mph for both.

They cut short the masters 4/5 race to under 30 minutes (7 laps) the open 4/5 was very close to 45 mins (10 laps). Pity they knocked a lap off the masters race. I might have had a chance to recover from my abortive prime and breakaway efforts.

I tore up my PT mount in a wreck a few weeks back and just haven't fixed it yet so I was not riding with any computer, but MJH2 had his PT and sent this to me this morning:


(I've exlcuded the last half of lap in eachrace because I think my soft pedaling pulled down the averages when,had I not been a wuss, they would have gone up):
Race 1 (Masters 4/5)
28:01 minutes,
11.31 miles
Average speed 23.62
Max speed 32.39
Average Power 262
Max Power 1,111
441 kJ

Race 2 (4/5)
44:43 minutes,
17.06 miles
Average speed 22.89
Max speed 32.51
Averages Power 228
Max Power 1,204



MJH2 is heavier and puts out more power than me, but based on my RPE I would guess my power was in the 240-250 range in both races. I could have done a lot more, but just felt like wheel sucking.

EDIT: FWIW - that would have put me at 3.26 W/kg. Meh....

Anyone see any results posted anywhere? Hated leaving there with no placing.

I've been watching ... nothing 'official' yet.

HOWEVER ... I did take snaps of the posted results ... I'm about to go get that CF card out of the car now. Last of the pix uploading ...

I'll post some of the results here ... Peloton-Pix gets you the results FIRST! :D

Interesting numbers. Average power in a crit can be a bit misleading. Normalized power might be a fairer reflection but the very short power surges can skew that a bit too.

Weird how average power was so much lower in the 2nd race.

MJH2 sure can put out some sprint power. I've never even managed 1000W peak.

IMHO For Psimet's size, 250W or so is quite respectable. W/Kg doesn't mean a heck of a lot on the flat. Maybe if his helmet didn't perch on his head like a stovepipe hat he could go faster.

Notice some remarkably musclebound (including Beer Muscle) riders that had good finishes but don't really make it into the top half in cross races.

I realized the helemt was messed up because it didn't feel right. I started moving it around during the first race. I'm just amazed noone said anything. ;)

http://s219.photobucket.com/albums/cc54/biffbradford/cycling/blackhawk/

Sorry, Psimet ... maybe you'll finish next time. :p

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc54/biffbradford/cycling/blackhawk/results_2336.jpg

Yeah, seriously....I saw that before leaving :rolleyes: trying to see if they're going to get around to scoring it.

Yeah, seriously....I saw that before leaving :rolleyes: trying to see if they're going to get around to scoring it.

Wurrrrd

I'm there at the end. My name is tim s........that's all

^those results are incorrect (save 1st and 2nd, as far as I know). I spoke to Eric Goodwin and Dave Fowkes about it yesterday and they said that the resolution of the video camera became "an issue" and they had a hell of a time making out numbers. They stopped using it after our race. They will not go farther than the top 10 because the ICA only needs the top ten finishers for ICA Cup classification.

I absolutely did not finish 5th. Hell, I don't even remember seeing Tony (4th) and I don't want to rob people of ICA or upgrade points.

15 min protest period: gotta check that schit before you take off...

I'm giving the Burnham guys some slack. In addition to organizing a race yesterday, today they are riding "support" for the shamrock shuffle. They did everything right, there was a technological error (camera was fine for other races, on other days.) I expect that they will have some more official notice today or tomorrow. They are pro about it and will not post results until they are right, or at least pretty damn close.

Sorry Timmy, you have become, officially, a figment of our internet imagination. You must not exist!

^those results are incorrect (save 1st and 2nd, as far as I know). I spoke to Eric Goodwin and Dave Fowkes about it yesterday and they said that the resolution of the video camera became "an issue" and they had a hell of a time making out numbers. They stopped using it after our race. They will not go farther than the top 10 because the ICA only needs the top ten finishers for ICA Cup classification.

I absolutely did not finish 5th. Hell, I don't even remember seeing Tony (4th) and I don't want to rob people of ICA or upgrade points.

15 min protest period: gotta check that schit before you take off...

I'm giving the Burnham guys some slack. In addition to organizing a race yesterday, today they are riding "support" for the shamrock shuffle. They did everything right, there was a technological error (camera was fine for other races, on other days.) I expect that they will have some more official notice today or tomorrow. They are pro about it and will not post results until they are right, or at least pretty damn close.
Yeah, I figured as much, but even what they had was questionable. Our boy Friedman was in 6th on those results and he swears he wasn't even close to that.

^those results are incorrect (save 1st and 2nd, as far as I know). I spoke to Eric Goodwin and Dave Fowkes about it yesterday and they said that the resolution of the video camera became "an issue" and they had a hell of a time making out numbers. They stopped using it after our race. They will not go farther than the top 10 because the ICA only needs the top ten finishers for ICA Cup classification.

I absolutely did not finish 5th. Hell, I don't even remember seeing Tony (4th) and I don't want to rob people of ICA or upgrade points.

15 min protest period: gotta check that schit before you take off...

I'm giving the Burnham guys some slack. In addition to organizing a race yesterday, today they are riding "support" for the shamrock shuffle. They did everything right, there was a technological error (camera was fine for other races, on other days.) I expect that they will have some more official notice today or tomorrow. They are pro about it and will not post results until they are right, or at least pretty damn close.

That sucks...

I'm pretty sure i was around 25th

Suck.

I suppose that's what the protest period is for. Not that I waited to check. I didin't do well enough to care anyway.

I didn't do well enough to care anyway.

Same...and the shivering...and i was suppose to go see some standup comic and drink a lot of beer but this ****tarded weather put a slammer on those plans.

BTW...i overheard the woman describing you on the phone to her friend. You dawg...

Suck.

I suppose that's what the protest period is for. Not that I waited to check. I didin't do well enough to care anyway.

You did well! I watched you pretty closely. You seemed to have good position for 90% of the race. You were close to top 10 I thought. 10-15 in that range?

Yeah Recursive, you've got the legs ... I think you've just got to break that mental barrier so you KNOW that you can win those sprints, or get in the successful break.

"I'm Recursive ... eat my dust!" http://emoticons4u.com/angels/teu26.gif

I'm pretty certain this isn't anyone here but it's the only worthwhile photo i took while i was there. It was too cold, and i was there to pretend to race.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3467/3396466763_a4d7feedc5_o.jpg

I'm pretty certain this isn't anyone here but it's the only worthwhile photo i took while i was there. It was too cold, and i was there to pretend to race.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3467/3396466763_a4d7feedc5_o.jpg

That's Sean Pedersen in 3rd position.

That's Sean Pedersen in 3rd position.

Yeah i saw you talking to him a bit, nice guy...we chatted during the warm-up laps.

You did well! I watched you pretty closely. You seemed to have good position for 90% of the race. You were close to top 10 I thought. 10-15 in that range?

I think I finished 11th.

A link to prelim results is posted on the front page: http://www.burnhamracing.org/

Interesting numbers. Average power in a crit can be a bit misleading. Normalized power might be a fairer reflection but the very short power surges can skew that a bit too.

Weird how average power was so much lower in the 2nd race.

MJH2 sure can put out some sprint power. I've never even managed 1000W peak.

IMHO For Psimet's size, 250W or so is quite respectable. W/Kg doesn't mean a heck of a lot on the flat. Maybe if his helmet didn't perch on his head like a stovepipe hat he could go faster.

Notice some remarkably musclebound (including Beer Muscle) riders that had good finishes but don't really make it into the top half in cross races.


FWIW I hit a considerable higher peak wattage in warm up. It goes to show you that peak watts mean nothing if you're not able to use them when they count.

I think the average watts from the 4/5 race is probably slightly artificially high. I put a lot of effort into fighting to stay in the top 8 or so in that race. Plus I took one big effort off of the front. Not long, but it did spike the wattage for a decent little time.

On the other hand, I did a lot of tooling around mid-pack in the second race. Had I ridden the second race like I did the first, I'm sure the watts would be higher.

If you're interested I'd be happy to export the file and email it to you. I don't have WKO+, so I can't give you a number for NP.

MJH2

I don't have WKO+ either but I did write an excel file to do the same thing. It's a little clumsy to import/ export but provides all the average and normalized powers over a large range.

If you can send me the .csv file I'll import it and email you the worksheet.

That's Sean Pedersen in 3rd position.


And Kevin Clark of Half Acre in first position

FWIW - Sean told me he's racing for Verdigris now...

Pics are up.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/scummerle/sets/72157616139447677/

Some are sharp... some not so much.

Nice pictures. Not sure if you had cropped them down or not, maybe just re-sized them? I spend a fair amount of time cropping mine. I like this one. If cropped from the original, instead of the reduced pic, it would look sharper. :)

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc54/biffbradford/cycling/blackhawk/1f_o.jpg

As you know, it was a tough course to shoot with a 100mm lens. You really have to get on top of 'em which was hard. There was one guy there with a 300mm 2.8 lens ($,$$$ :love:), but I did okay with my 400 5.6.

Yeah.. I didn't crop them at all. I just did a batch resize in Lightroom. I just wanted to get the darn pics up on flickr. Time is currently not on my side.

Some additional pics...

I was put to shame in doing one race...Hank worked his butt off in 3 races for the day...
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e155/RJBTrek/DSC_0335.jpg
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