moyariffic
04-18-09, 08:06 PM
In the course of brazing together some racks, I got brave and decided to add some rack bosses to the fork and seatstays of my early 80s Nishiki. I also added eyelets to the top of the fork dropouts. This bike is my everything bike: loaded tourer, commuter, weekend bike. Thing is, I'm a beginner at brazing and went for it anyway. In retrospect, I chose poorly.
Recently, I ran into a local frame builder and told him about what I was doing. He told me the two big things to look out for in brazing: cleanliness and keeping the heat down. I removed all rust and paint before brazing and used flux, but my heat control is not great. I'm sure I fried some of the brass pretty good. Given that this is my first go at this, I expect that some of my brazes will eventually fail. But the frame builder scared me when he started talking about inclusions: getting the steel too hot and mixing steel with brass, resulting in a potential steel failure. The thought of a fork failure -- either mid-fork or at the dropout -- is scary to me.
I'm building my second rack and, after a frustrating day at the shop where I just couldn't get the braze right, I'm getting nervous about the integrity of my brazes. So my question is this: how hot would I have to get the steel in order to risk inclusions? Would I have to actually melt the steel (I think my heat was too low to actually melt steel)? Or is this a problem at temperatures lower than steel's melting point? If I took the frame to a frame builder, is it likely that he could examine the brazes and determine their strength, if nothing else to give me a piece of mind? Is it probably safe to ride this bike long distances (several hundred miles)? Should I just ride this bike until/unless I notice cracks?
I know these questions are difficult to answer without actually seeing the brazes and witnessing my work, but I want to know if it's common for beginners to court catastrophe when brazing on a fork. Thanks in advance.
Recently, I ran into a local frame builder and told him about what I was doing. He told me the two big things to look out for in brazing: cleanliness and keeping the heat down. I removed all rust and paint before brazing and used flux, but my heat control is not great. I'm sure I fried some of the brass pretty good. Given that this is my first go at this, I expect that some of my brazes will eventually fail. But the frame builder scared me when he started talking about inclusions: getting the steel too hot and mixing steel with brass, resulting in a potential steel failure. The thought of a fork failure -- either mid-fork or at the dropout -- is scary to me.
I'm building my second rack and, after a frustrating day at the shop where I just couldn't get the braze right, I'm getting nervous about the integrity of my brazes. So my question is this: how hot would I have to get the steel in order to risk inclusions? Would I have to actually melt the steel (I think my heat was too low to actually melt steel)? Or is this a problem at temperatures lower than steel's melting point? If I took the frame to a frame builder, is it likely that he could examine the brazes and determine their strength, if nothing else to give me a piece of mind? Is it probably safe to ride this bike long distances (several hundred miles)? Should I just ride this bike until/unless I notice cracks?
I know these questions are difficult to answer without actually seeing the brazes and witnessing my work, but I want to know if it's common for beginners to court catastrophe when brazing on a fork. Thanks in advance.
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