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Cyclist named in Olympic CERA positives
Six Olympians have tested positive for the EPO variant CERA, the International Olympic Committee announced Tuesday. La Gazzetta dello Sport has reported that the positive athlete is Davide Rebellin, who took second in the road race in Beijing. The Italian Olympic Committee (CONI) has confirmed only that one of the athletes is from Italy, but has not given a name.

The IOC performed retroactive testing on the Beijing Olympic Game samples using a newly developed test for the recently introduced EPO drug Mircera, for which several riders tested positive during the 2008 Tour de France. Seven samples of 847 total tested turned up positive for CERA. Two of the positives were from the same athlete.

"The further analysis of the Beijing samples that we conducted should send a clear message that cheats can never assume that they have avoided detection," said Arne Ljungqvist, Chairman of the IOC Medical Commission. "The vast majority of athletes do not seek an unfair advantage. We intend to do all we can to ensure that they have a fair environment for competition."

The IOC said it is notifying the athletes of any "adverse analytical finding" through their National Olympic Committee (NOC).

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no ****ing way.

It's spreading now:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/2009-04-28-3171542760_x.htm
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2009/apr09/apr29news

Do they send out the results via carrier pigeon?! It's been how many months since the Olympics and they are just getting the results?

I'm clean.

Who was 4th?

Do they send out the results via carrier pigeon?! It's been how many months since the Olympics and they are just getting the results?

nope, they hired a few guy a to deliver it by foot (running specifically).

unfortunately they were only able to run +/- 41.195 km, before dying. then the next runner would continue on with the message.

41.195 km
Not strong enough to make it to 42.195 kilometers? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathon)

Does that make Philippe Gilbert 3rd in LBL?

Who was 4th?

F Schleck i think

Not strong enough to make it to 42.195 kilometers? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathon)

this dude (http://www.rogerdarlington.me.uk/nighthawk/2007/04/how_long_is_the_marathon_and_w.html) must have made a typo.

F Schleck i think

nope. ANDY Schleck was 5th. Kolobnev was 4th.

hey, i was close.

Deeply saddening, but not completely unexpected. You just know there are other cyclists in the remaining 6.

this dude (http://www.rogerdarlington.me.uk/nighthawk/2007/04/how_long_is_the_marathon_and_w.html) must have made a typo.

Eviscerate him!!

Deeply saddening, but not completely unexpected. You just know there are other cyclists in the remaining 6.
Let's hope not. Hey, I also see that 6 horses tested positive. Low life trainers! Ban them too (unless they already have been).

I wonder if this means Schleck also "won" Fleche-Wallone too?

Does that make Philippe Gilbert 3rd in LBL?

http://ohnolookoutitsaraygun.com/argh-Picard.jpg


I wonder if this means Schleck also "won" Fleche-Wallone too?

don't encourage him.

Do they send out the results via carrier pigeon?! It's been how many months since the Olympics and they are just getting the results?


Actually, the results were brought to his house a month ago, but he wasn't sure if the guy was the real deal...so he went on racing while his assistant waited with the courier. ;)

Deeply saddening, but not completely unexpected. You just know there are other cyclists in the remaining 6.

It sounds like 2 were cyclists, 3 track and field, and a weightlifter.

Source: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2009/apr09/apr29news

Rebellin of all people?

This hurts.

rebellin of all people?

This hurts.

+1

F***. ^^^+2




I'm clean, too, Pcad.

I knew it....I could tell by the way he looked while riding that he was doping....

What a second that's ridiculous. never saw it coming.

F***. ^^^+2




I'm clean, too, Pcad.

As long as Brandy stays dirty, we'll be alright.

Retro-active testing is such bull****. I'm against doping of course, but I'm more against violations of decent common sense and fairplay it makes more sense for athletes to only be required to be "clean" when their original samples are tested by whatever methods were on hand at that time.

Going back months (or in some cases years) and re-testing samples that have been held long enough for chain of custody type issues to crop up or any other number of reasons to question the validity of the results just makes for a bad doping system that won't be trusted by everyone.

I swear to god the various powers that be really need to sit down and figure this crap out once and for all. ONE testing protocol. Update methods, sure, but only for future samples. No bull**** where athletes are tested 50 times a year out of competition. No bull**** where an athlete is tested by two different agencies in the same day like Levi was the other day. There is just no need for that kind of lack of coordination.

As long as Brandy stays dirty, we'll be alright.

amen.

well who the F@*# is the other cyclist that got caught? I hate when they spill only half of the beans...

I don't understand the argument against retroactive testing. By limiting testing to the methods available at the time the sample was taken, you are leveling the doping vs. testing playing field, or skewing it in favor of the doper on the theory that if the athlete can evade all the current tests, they will be "clean."
Retroactive testing skews this "game" in favor of the testing organizations and against the dopers. That is what we want isn't it? Don't we want dopers to realize that they not only have to outwit the current testing methods, but also (improved) future methods? Isn't that a huge deterrent?
The fact that someone "passes" a drug test does not make them clean if future tests show the athlete did indeed dope. Why would you ignore this fact?

I don't understand the argument against retroactive testing. By limiting testing to the methods available at the time the sample was taken, you are leveling the doping vs. testing playing field, or skewing it in favor of the doper on the theory that if the athlete can evade all the current tests, they will be "clean."
Retroactive testing skews this "game" in favor of the testing organizations and against the dopers. That is what we want isn't it? Don't we want dopers to realize that they not only have to outwit the current testing methods, but also (improved) future methods? Isn't that a huge deterrent?
The fact that someone "passes" a drug test does not make them clean if future tests show the athlete did indeed dope. Why would you ignore this fact?

I agree with you in theory, but would also like to see BETTER SAFEGUARDS for the athlete's samples.

Retro-active testing is such bull****. I'm against doping of course, but I'm more against violations of decent common sense and fairplay it makes more sense for athletes to only be required to be "clean" when their original samples are tested by whatever methods were on hand at that time.

Going back months (or in some cases years) and re-testing samples that have been held long enough for chain of custody type issues to crop up or any other number of reasons to question the validity of the results just makes for a bad doping system that won't be trusted by everyone.

I swear to god the various powers that be really need to sit down and figure this crap out once and for all. ONE testing protocol. Update methods, sure, but only for future samples. No bull**** where athletes are tested 50 times a year out of competition. No bull**** where an athlete is tested by two different agencies in the same day like Levi was the other day. There is just no need for that kind of lack of coordination.

You can't just ban individual substances as then any little molecular modification would give the athlete a free pass; you have to ban classes of drugs (e.g. blood boosters). The labs can't possibly have -validated- tests for substances they don't know exist; hence the need for retro-active testing.


I agree with you in theory, but would also like to see BETTER SAFEGUARDS for the athlete's samples.

Every doping positive is due to chain of custody issues or French conspiracies. :rolleyes:

smoke, fire.


Rebellin and 19 others on trial (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/nov04/nov11news)

Gerolsteiner's Davide Rebellin has, along with 19 others, been put on trial in the Italian town of Este, Padova, accused of receiving prohibited pharmaceutical substances, and violating the Italian anti-doping and sporting fraud laws. The trial commenced on Wednesday morning, November 10, and most of the accused are cyclists: Dario Acquaroli, Filippo Baldo, Ramon Bianchi, Mauro Busato, Matteo Cacco, Davide Casarotto, Nadia Dandolo (athletics), Gianni Faresin, Andrea Ferrigato, Marco Fincato, Martin Hvastija, Petr Klasa, Fabio Marchesin, Mirco Marini, Selina Martinello (Rebellin's wife), Uros Murn, Gorazd Stangelj, Marco Villa and Matteo Zendron.

The trial was initiated on the basis of phone tapping and video surveillance on the riders in question. During May, 2001, Rebellin was allegedly filmed receiving a syringe containing a banned substance, while at the end of the month, he was allegedly videoed injecting himself with EPO in his hotel room in Bassano del Grappa. Rebellin has always maintained his innocence.

Hey Botto is this kind of stuff all over the news over there, or is it like over here where you have to go to a cycling specific forum to find any news?

it's on TV, and the papers, but the media seems to be more preoccupied with real stories, like swine flu and the champions league semi final.

I don't understand the argument against retroactive testing. By limiting testing to the methods available at the time the sample was taken, you are leveling the doping vs. testing playing field, or skewing it in favor of the doper

Yes, it absolutely would be skewing it to the favor of the doper. Though I prefer to call them athletes. They don't become dopers until they've done something that is officially illegal. In the case of retroactive testing, the authorities hadn't made that determination at the time the substance was taken.

I mean, what's the logic here? It's new enough that we can't even detect it, and we don't even really know what it is yet, but you can't take it because we may decide later that it is indeed "bad" and we will figure out how to test for it, we'll pull your old samples out of, uh, storage, and you can trust us to properly test them yet again and this time see if you've used this substance that we after the fact decided you shouldn't have used months/years ago?

now what does schumacher have to say.. lol

now what does schumacher have to say.. lol
We should have guessed him after he won both time trials in the '08 Tour.

Schumacher got busted with speed. Right? So will this be a perma-ban?

Schumacher got busted with speed. Right? So will this be a perma-ban?
It should be. He got caught with amphetamines twice (once when they were no longer banned) and tested positive for CERA in the Tour. He should be gone for good.

Man oh man...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/botto/schumacher.jpg (http://www.myshavedlegs.com)

Doesn't this imply, if true, that Rebellin took CERA after the Ricco affair that proved CERA was detectable? That seems pretty dumb. Or maybe because Schumacher was not caught during the tour, that they (Gerolsteiner) thought they were smarter than Saunier-Duval?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/botto/schumacher.jpg (http://www.myshavedlegs.com)

I come from France!

(Narfle the Garthock, anyone?)

Doesn't this imply, if true, that Rebellin took CERA after the Ricco affair that proved CERA was detectable? That seems pretty dumb. Or maybe because Schumacher was not caught during the tour, that they (Gerolsteiner) thought they were smarter than Saunier-Duval?


On October 6, 2008, the media reported that Schumacher had tested positive for the controlled substance CERA (Continuous Erythropoiesis Receptor Activator), a new generation of EPO, in a blood sample taken during the 2008 Tour de France.

Schumacher was a Gerolsteiner teammate of Rebellin and Bernard Kohl, who both also tested positive for CERA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Schumacher

Retro-active testing is such bull****. I'm against doping of course, but I'm more against violations of decent common sense and fairplay it makes more sense for athletes to only be required to be "clean" when their original samples are tested by whatever methods were on hand at that time.

Going back months (or in some cases years) and re-testing samples that have been held long enough for chain of custody type issues to crop up or any other number of reasons to question the validity of the results just makes for a bad doping system that won't be trusted by everyone.

I swear to god the various powers that be really need to sit down and figure this crap out once and for all. ONE testing protocol. Update methods, sure, but only for future samples. No bull**** where athletes are tested 50 times a year out of competition. No bull**** where an athlete is tested by two different agencies in the same day like Levi was the other day. There is just no need for that kind of lack of coordination.

I think a balance should be struck between giving the authorities enough time to analyze the samples and letting the winning athletes live without fear that their accomplishments will be stripped away. I’d give the testers a year following the event. After a year, no action can be taken.

Two arguments:

First, the samples may degrade over time and yield less accurate results.

Second, testing years after an event will almost certainly be targeted at certain athletes, not applied evenly.

Here’s a link to a NYT article naming some of the others caught in this (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/30/sports/othersports/30doping.html?hp).

I think going back a year or so is fine. Going back 8 years and just grabbing Armstrong's (or any single rider) is just persecution, IMO.

I think going back a year or so is fine. Going back 8 years and just grabbing Armstrong's (or any single rider) is just persecution, IMO.

it was 6 years when LA's '99 samples were retested.

I still don't care.

this is awful. there seems to be no end...

The gold medalist in the men's 1500 meter run (from Bahrain) was also nailed. So this transcends cycling. I'm surprised more big time track stars aren't getting caught.

The gold medalist in the men's 1500 meter run (from Bahrain) was also nailed. So this transcends cycling. I'm surprised more big time track stars aren't getting caught.

shumacher must be a real dumb ass to get caught so many times. i mean you can tell the guy's not too bright just by looking at him but jesu cristo man.......:eek:

levi was on the team with some of these guys...didn't kohl come to gerolsteiner the year levi left?

ed rader