"The 33"-Road Bike Racing - Looks like Bos is getting charged for Turkey

Just came up on my news feed:

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap-boscharged&prov=ap&type=lgns

I hate the UCI.

Sh- happens. Whatever the intent or non-intent, the outcome was not good. Actions have consequences. It will not be the end of Bos' career.

Sh- happens. Whatever the intent or non-intent, the outcome was not good. Actions have consequences. It will not be the end of Bos' career.

It was a racing incident. Period. End of story....but of course it isn't the end of the story is it. Why would Bos even bother with RR anymore....this whole thing is BS. Again I point out Grahme Brown's boneheaded move at the TDU. He wasn't sanctioned or brought up on charges. It's arguable that Brown's actions were more deliberate and dangerous.

It was a racing incident. Period. End of story....but of course it isn't the end of the story is it. Why would Bos even bother with RR anymore....this whole thing is BS. Again I point out Grahme Green's boneheaded move at the TDU. He wasn't sanctioned or brought up on charges. It's arguable that Greens actions were more deliberate and dangerous.

graham greene the writer, or graeme brown the squirrely sprinter with rabobank?

graham greene the writer, or graeme brown the squirrely sprinter with rabobank?
errr I'll fix that. Although I'll bet Green's bike handling skills aren't much better ;)

It was a racing incident. Period. End of story....but of course it isn't the end of the story is it. Why would Bos even bother with RR anymore....this whole thing is BS. Again I point out Grahme Brown's boneheaded move at the TDU. He wasn't sanctioned or brought up on charges. It's arguable that Brown's actions were more deliberate and dangerous.

Wasn't it Qatar?

So what anyway. Just because Brown got away with something in a race in a previous year doesn't mean Bos didn't ride dangerously and shouldn't be sanctioned.

I bet Bos can hold a straighter line than Brownie.

Wasn't it Qatar?

So what anyway. Just because Brown got away with something in a race in a previous year doesn't mean Bos didn't ride dangerously and shouldn't be sanctioned.

No it was the author Grahme Green in the TDU ;)

Yeah it was Qatar. The point is the UCI need to be consistent with their penalties. If Browns action weren't bad enough to sanctioned, or for that matter most of what McEwan pulls then why single out Bos for what is most likely a racing indecent.

No it was the author Grahme Green in the TDU ;)

Yeah it was Qatar. The point is the UCI need to be consistent with their penalties. If Browns action weren't bad enough to sanctioned, or for that matter most of what McEwan pulls then why single out Bos for what is most likely a racing indecent.

yea i agree it was very indecent

He ought to have some penalty for putting a hand on someone but it should be reasonable and just enough to make a point; a fine and a 1-2 week ban.

He ought to have some penalty for putting a hand on someone but it should be reasonable and just enough to make a point; a fine and a 1-2 week ban.

+1
It doesn't seem like there was any malicious intent, just a very bad idea in a moment of panic.

yea i agree it was very indecent
This is what I get for posting from my iPhone ;)

He ought to have some penalty for putting a hand on someone but it should be reasonable and just enough to make a point; a fine and a 1-2 week ban.

So Impey should get the same since he also put a hand on someone?

Still drunk or just hungover?!

I missed this Graeme Brown incident - anybody have a youtube link or such? I couldn't find anything.

This is what I get for posting from my iPhone ;)

hehe someone had to do it:D

I missed this Graeme Brown incident - anybody have a youtube link or such? I couldn't find anything.
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=264728

This is BS.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bos-suspended-for-impey-incident

UCI imposes minimum one month ban

The UCI has handed Rabobank's sprinter Theo Bos a one-month suspension for his run-in with Barloworld's Daryl Impey at the Presidential Tour of Turkey earlier this year.

The incident, in which Bos squeezed between the barricades and race winner Impey in the final sprint of the last stage and grabbed Impey's jersey before both of them crashed violently, was caught on video and reviewed by the UCI's disciplinary commission.

The commission decided that Bos violated UCI regulations, but imposed the minimum sanction. The Dutch rider could have been suspended for up to six months.

Impey, who was in the race's overall lead at the time of the crash, won the event since the crash happened within the final kilometre, but left Turkey with a broken jaw and teeth and several fractured vertebrae.

Bos’ suspension will begin on 15 August and end on 14 September, 2009.

do you think he should have been given a longer ban, or none at all?

do you think he should have been given a longer ban, or none at all?

None at all. It was a racing incident.

gotcha. agreed.

None at all. It was a raging incident.

fixed

None at all. It was a racing incident.

I've got to say I respectfully disagree EDR. I've watched the replay a number of times and Bos clearly reaches out and grabs Impey's jersey and pulls him down.

Had Bos fallen over and taken out Impey in the process, or in the process of falling reached out to break his fall and his hand hit Impey, I would say that's racing, deal w it. But it looked like he was out to take Impey down for whatever reason.

Had he done this to me in a race I would want to see him suspended for a looong time. Just my opinion.

I've got to say I respectfully disagree EDR. I've watched the replay a number of times and Bos clearly reaches out and grabs Impey's jersey and pulls him down.

Had Bos fallen over and taken out Impey in the process, or in the process of falling reached out to break his fall and his hand hit Impey, I would say that's racing, deal w it. But it looked like he was out to take Impey down for whatever reason.

Had he done this to me in a race I would want to see him suspended for a looong time. Just my opinion.

+1. Even with the poor quality of the video, it looked 100% intentional to me.

the video is very confusing. The only thing he did wrong was to put his hand on the other rider's jersey, they were both going down anyway because the pack was tending left and the barricades were skewed to the right.

I've got to say I respectfully disagree EDR. I've watched the replay a number of times and Bos clearly reaches out and grabs Impey's jersey and pulls him down.

Had Bos fallen over and taken out Impey in the process, or in the process of falling reached out to break his fall and his hand hit Impey, I would say that's racing, deal w it. But it looked like he was out to take Impey down for whatever reason.

Had he done this to me in a race I would want to see him suspended for a looong time. Just my opinion.

did you use the latest and greatest virtual imagining software to see the 2/3rds that's not in the shot, or are you just seeing what you want to see?

The debate's been had ad nauseum, right? We've all got our opinions on 'em and I daresay it's not worth taking up precious internet space repeating it.

did you use the latest and greatest virtual imagining software to see the 2/3rds that's not in the shot, or are you just seeing what you want to see?

I can't say that I did. I looked at the video that was circulating on the forum and IIRC I also looked at still photos of the crash. Do you have a link?

I can't say that I did. I looked at the video that was circulating on the forum and IIRC I also looked at still photos of the crash. Do you have a link?

whoosh.

whoosh.

I got it. Whoosh right back at ya. ;)

I see it one way, you see it another. I guess I see it the way Impey felt it.

Impey's team should get fined for being such dumbasses that couldn't keep the yellow jersey out of trouble!

precious internet space

lol

None at all. It was a racing incident.


gotcha. agreed.

+1

Everyone had forgotten about the incident until it was brought back up. It's not like there's a ton going on from August 15 to September 14.

Don't think he meant to pull Impey down. But it was a completely dumb***** Cat 4 move. Got no problem with the suspension, and less problem with Impey hucking a water bottle at Bos's head next time they meet.

Don't think he meant to pull Impey down. But it was a completely dumb***** Cat 4 move. Got no problem with the suspension, and less problem with Impey hucking a water bottle at Bos's head next time they meet.

I doubt Impey has an arm like Tom Steels!

Don't think he meant to pull Impey down. But it was a completely dumb***** Cat 4 move. Got no problem with the suspension, and less problem with Impey hucking a water bottle at Bos's head next time they meet.

So if you don't think he did on purpose why do you think he should be punished?

So if you don't think he did on purpose why do you think he should be punished?

If you run me over while I'm out riding and paralyze me, my legs don't move if you meant to or not.

I'm in favor of not giving a rat's ***** about intent when exercising jurisprudence in all matters, and just look at the circumstances and damage. Do you give your kids a pass when they screw something up and pull the "I didn't mean to" card?

He grabbed another rider and pulled him down, risking his career and costing him the better part of a season.

"oopsy daisy" doesn't cut it with me. I've been in Impey's shoes.

If you run me over while I'm out riding and paralyze me, my legs don't move if you meant to or not.

I'm in favor of not giving a rat's ***** about intent when exercising jurisprudence in all matters, and just look at the circumstances and damage. Do you give your kids a pass when they screw something up and pull the "I didn't mean to" card?

He grabbed another rider and pulled him down, risking his career and costing him the better part of a season.

"oopsy daisy" doesn't cut it with me. I've been in Impey's shoes.

Apples and oranges. They were racing, they crashed, Bos grabbed Impey out of what was most likely reflex...no malice no intent to do him harm. My problem with the suspension is that if you don't punish a clearly cat 5 move like Graeme pulled at the TDU how do you punish this.

FWIW if my oldest trips and pulls her sister down with her I'm not going to punish her for it.

Apples and oranges. They were racing, they crashed, Bos grabbed Impey out of what was most likely reflex...no malice no intent to do him harm. My problem with the suspension is that if you don't punish a clearly cat 5 move like Graeme pulled at the TDU how do you punish this.

FWIW if my oldest trips and pulls her sister down with her I'm not going to punish her for it.
Are they going to race bikes when they're older? :)

Are they going to race bikes when they're older? :)

I hope so!

Apples and oranges. They were racing, they crashed, Bos grabbed Impey out of what was most likely reflex...no malice no intent to do him harm. My problem with the suspension is that if you don't punish a clearly cat 5 move like Graeme pulled at the TDU how do you punish this.

FWIW if my oldest trips and pulls her sister down with her I'm not going to punish her for it.

If you don't convict OJ, should everybody else that cuts up their wife get a pass? For me missing one makes it an imperative to make sure you get the next one.

So if your oldest decides to ride her bike down the stairs of the rental, runs into your youngest trying to stop when she realizes shes going to crash and sends her to the hospital with Impey's injuries, you're OK with "I didn't mean to?"

If no malice or intent to do harm is the litmus, then people who drive over cyclists while texting should get a pass.

Bottom line on this is that the overtaking rider is responsible if things go wrong.

So if you don't think he did on purpose why do you think he should be punished?

Well, he did a stupid panic move. You want the riders in the peleton to feel safe out there. There needs to be some sort of token punishment for this. Like at the LA Velodrome, they have a rule that if you fall, you're done training on the track for the day. It makes the riders feel safer, and gives token punishment to keep you from doing it again.

+1

Everyone had forgotten about the incident until it was brought back up. It's not like there's a ton going on from August 15 to September 14.


Everyone, except for Daryl Impey who was severely injured w/ broke back, broken teeth,etc......

UCI sanction (http://www.syklingensverden.com/baglercms.php?catID=-1&articleID=21288)
A 1 month stay in a nice Turkish prison would be more fitting.

Everyone, except for Daryl Impey who was severely injured w/ broke back, broken teeth,etc......

UCI sanction (http://ww w.syklingensverden .com/baglercms.php?catID=-1&articleID=21288)
A 1 month stay in a nice Turkish prison would be more fitting.

on so many levels, that you'll clearly never understand..

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on so many levels, that you'll clearly never understand..

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+1

If no malice or intent to do harm is the litmus, then people who drive over cyclists while texting should get a pass.

Bottom line on this is that the overtaking rider is responsible if things go wrong.

While "I didn't mean to" isn't reason enough to let Bos off the hook, Impey is a professional cyclist.

About a month ago, I was in a race where a rider that was taking about to take a pull brought down a dozen riders behind him when he touched someone's wheel. One of those riders fractured his skull (with a curb). That's what you get for racing.

At least, that's the precedent that has been set. If since the beginning, all riders that didn't keep control of their "vehicle" were fined or banned (and endangers others, which seems logical), then yes, ban Bos.

But, as it is, the response you'll get is: "that's what you get for racing."