Long Distance Competition/Ultracycling, Randonneuring and Endurance Cycling - A dog question

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Cadillac
05-05-09, 09:34 AM
Dogs generally bark at cyclists.
If I get off my bike, the dogs will often trot back into their yards. If I am a pedestrian, the same dogs don't bark. Cars speed by the dogs and they don't respond. BUT a bicycle goes by their property and they bark and want to chase the cycle.
So what is it that attracts their attention?
Is it a sound (ultra-high) that does it?
Is it the spinning wheel?
Is it my breathing (huff-n-puff)?
USAZorro
05-05-09, 12:22 PM
It's the wheel. They see it, smell the person, and the equation doesn't register. They tend to freak out. Getting off the bike once they start chasing isn't a wise choice either.
CliftonGK1
05-05-09, 12:29 PM
I've had a few dogs give chase, and in all instances except two, the same trick has worked. As I see the dog starting to sprint toward me, a quick point at the ground and a loud "SIT!" has kept most of them at bay.
Getting off the bike once they start chasing isn't a wise choice either.
Actually, that's one trick that has been quite effective for me. I haven't used it often, but I have had dogs charging me on a climb, where I'm moving really slowly, and I've just hopped off the bicycle and stood there, with the bicycle between me and the dog, and started to talk quietly to the dog. So far, in every case, the dog has stopped, given a few barks, and has returned to his/her farm.
That's actually a mail carrier trick too ... to just stop, with the mail bag between you and the dog, and talk quietly to the dog.
Cadillac
05-05-09, 12:46 PM
I don't really have a problem with controlling the dog and I'm not talking about the great dane next door (he barks at anything to protect his property). Rather, when I am on a long ride out in the country, the farm dog which may be hidden behind the barn is able to detect my presence before I even come in sight. It leads me to think that there is a sound it hears. The spinning wheel, no doubt, reinforces the need to bark.
Maybe I should put one of those deer whistles on the bike for my next ride and see if that makes more dogs bark :)
tjwarren
05-05-09, 12:54 PM
There does seem to be something "different" about a bicycle that dogs like. You're right, they won't chase a car, but they will chase a bike.
I haven't dismounted for a dog yet, but I have given chase to one a few times. He doesn't quite know what to make of that. Sadly, he corners better than I do, so it tends to be a lot of "GO HOME!" *pedal pedal brake turn* "GO HOME ALREADY!" *pedal pedal brake turn*. Eventually I ride off and he just watches me go.
I used to have a paper route when I was a kid, and there was one dog who would chase me (on foot) every morning: I'd park my bike at the curb, run up to one porch, run to the next door porch, and back to my bike. He'd chase me between his house and the next house. It never bothered me much, and I pretty much ignored him; until one morning when he nipped me on the butt! Didn't break the skin or anything, but it got my attention! The next time I saw him I chased him, yelling the whole way, all the way back to his yard. He didn't chase me again after that!
USAZorro
05-05-09, 02:04 PM
Actually, that's one trick that has been quite effective for me. I haven't used it often, but I have had dogs charging me on a climb, where I'm moving really slowly, and I've just hopped off the bicycle and stood there, with the bicycle between me and the dog, and started to talk quietly to the dog. So far, in every case, the dog has stopped, given a few barks, and has returned to his/her farm.
That's actually a mail carrier trick too ... to just stop, with the mail bag between you and the dog, and talk quietly to the dog.
If you can get off before the dog gets really worked-up, you'll be ok. Otherwise - it can be a no-win.
I have found that barking back at the dog confuses them, and can give enough time to work clear of them. Don't try this with a pit bull though. :(
I've had a few dogs give chase, and in all instances except two, the same trick has worked. As I see the dog starting to sprint toward me, a quick point at the ground and a loud "SIT!" has kept most of them at bay.
so... what happened the two times it didn't work?!
interesting tip tho, i haven't heard of that approach.
CliftonGK1
05-05-09, 04:01 PM
so... what happened the two times it didn't work?!
interesting tip tho, i haven't heard of that approach.
Two times it didn't work, a quick spritz from the water bottle confused 'em enough to give me a breakaway gap and they gave up.
I got the idea from my dad, back when I was still a kid and we'd ride together. He did it once, and the dog just about skidded to a halt on its backside before ever making it past the sidewalk. If owners teach their dogs anything, it's usually 4 basics: Name, sit, heel, stay. Even really ornery or dumb dogs manage to learn their name and "sit"; and sit is usually one that's conditioned heavily. You say it loud enough, and it's like barking orders at a PFC fresh outta boot: They're doing it before they even look to see who yelled it.
USAZorro
05-05-09, 04:52 PM
Two times it didn't work, a quick spritz from the water bottle confused 'em enough to give me a breakaway gap and they gave up.
I got the idea from my dad, back when I was still a kid and we'd ride together. He did it once, and the dog just about skidded to a halt on its backside before ever making it past the sidewalk. If owners teach their dogs anything, it's usually 4 basics: Name, sit, heel, stay. Even really ornery or dumb dogs manage to learn their name and "sit"; and sit is usually one that's conditioned heavily. You say it loud enough, and it's like barking orders at a PFC fresh outta boot: They're doing it before they even look to see who yelled it.
Kinda like a kid yelling "Dad!" at Toys R Us?
palookabutt
05-05-09, 05:25 PM
I use the ubiquitous "Aaay!" in a threatening voice. It seems to have the same effect as those described above. I might try "sit" though.
There's a dog near one of the trails around here who LOVES to chase cyclists -- from the other side of the fence, fortunately. He'll see you coming, tear off like a bat out of hell to the end of his fence, then come back grunting as if to say, "I dropped your a-ss, pal!"
My worst encounter so far was with a trio of Chihuahuas. Those little guys were fearless, even when I spritzed them with water. They weren't trained at all, so no amount of scolding got their attention. The inept owner finally rounded them up and I was on my way.
But I had a sense that I had just escaped Lilliput (Lillipup?)
another reason to get faster!
i had an ankle biter just last week on a dirt road while climbing 13%.
my mates up the road made it by before the dogs were on to them - but the critters ambushed me.
i saw the whole scene unwind as i crawled up the hill.
a stern 'no!' or 'sit!' often does the trick.
i did undo the velcro on my pump and prepped a water bottle for squirting.
1 was more bark than bite, the other was planning for my ankle and nearly got there but hesitated when i shouted.
it wouldn't have mattered how hard i pushed at that point... i was redlining as it was.
horses will spook too. we encountered those on the same road - 1 equestrian was polite and as i slowed told me not to worry, another pair pulled out right in front of us without checking the road. horses looked freaked as we were bombing down a hill and went into avoidance mode. owners appeared pissed about it...
Cadillac
I have also noticed that dogs seem to have an "ESP" when it comes to bicycles. I'll often hear barking from dogs long before they can see me. I think they must hear something we can not.
Randochap
05-05-09, 09:48 PM
I think they must hear something we can not.
I can hear cyclists panting.
I think they must hear something we can not.
they hear far more than most humans can. (http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/TimCondon.shtml)
palookabutt
05-06-09, 03:35 PM
they hear far more than most humans can. (http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/TimCondon.shtml)
They can also smell a lot more than we can. It wouldn't surprise me if my odor after a long ride is, to a dog, the olfactory equivalent of a rock concert.
StephenH
05-06-09, 10:56 PM
I theorize that it's two things. First, we're Different. A thousand cars a day pass, and one bicycle, so something's got to be wrong there. If a thousand bikes passed and one car, he'd bark at the car.
Secondly, we're slow. We're going right at Doggy Speed. If they try to chase a car going 60, that lasts half a second. With a bike, they can chase it a mile. With a walker, there's no way to chase.
I think sometimes dogs get confused because I'm riding too slow. It's hard to chase something going slower than you are.
10 Wheels
05-06-09, 10:59 PM
I know they like to chase Yellow Bikes.