Group Buy - NOVATEC HUBS - Group buy

Based on the response to the Gigantex rim group buy I've decided to offer some NOVATEC (http://www.bdopcycling.com/Novatec-Home.asp) hubs in a similar format.

I am starting with these (http://www.bdopcycling.com/GroupBuys-%20Hubs.asp) front hubs.


They are 76g and use 2 Japanese sealed bearings. They are available as single hubs (for PT users) in 20H, 24H, 28H and 32H.

The price is $29.99US plus shipping.

Please note that the lead time on these hubs will be 45 days TO MY OFFICE from the moment the order is placed.

Also note that the matching RR hub is to soon follow.

And here would be that matching hub:


245g. 4 sealed bearings. Available in Shimano or Campagnolo 24H, 28H or 32H.

The price is $69.99USD plus shipping.

Please go here (http://www.bdopcycling.com/GroupBuys-%20HUBS.asp) for to order or for more technical info.

How do these compare with the 3-in-1 hub that you're developing? When you say 'Shimano', do you mean Shimano 10 or Shimano 8,9,10?

How do these compare with the 3-in-1 hub that you're developing? When you say 'Shimano', do you mean Shimano 10 or Shimano 8,9,10?

Sorry for the delayed response. I was busy all weekend pedaling my olde arse up and down some mountains getting ready for a race. :D

The 3IN1 System and the 3IN1 Unique System (thanks for the clarity NOVATEC) differ slightly. The principal difference is with the 3IN1 system (which these hubs have) you have to change out the left and right side caps when you switch between SHIMANO/SRAM and CAMPAGNOLO freehub bodies. These simply unscrew from the axle.

For step by step instructions see: Freehub Service (http://www.bdopcycling.com/Wheels-TechInfo.asp#FREEHUBSERVICE) on my website. The hub featured in the group buy differs slightly from the one used in the demo but you get the general idea of how it works and how simple it is.

You need basic tools and not a whole lot of mechanical ability.

If you wanted to switch between SHIMANO/SRAM and CAMPAGNOLO on a regular basis you could. You'd have to order the hub in one configuration (say SHIMANO) and then order an extra freehub (in CAMPAGNOLO). I would include the side caps with the freehub so it wouldn't be an issue.

The whole process should take less than 5 minutes. That includes cleaning up.

As for the Shimano freehub it is 8/9/10/ Due to patent issues NOVATEC doesn't offer a straight HG10 freehub with the deep splines.

The groups with the deep spline cassettes (DA7800) will fit on these freehubs. Campagnolo wheels, for example, work the same way.

The new DA7900 has gone back to the shallow splines.

Since this is a lightweight hub it comes with an aluminum freehub. NOVATEC uses 7075 aluminum which is harder that 6000 series aluminum. I know that there can sometimes be problems with HG10 cassettes piling up material on softer aluminum freehubs. Since I've only ever used NOVATEC freehubs in a Campagnolo configuration, I can't honestly say whether this would be an issue or not.

FYI freehub bodies are $30~$35US.

Hope that helps.

I'm down for 24 front/28 rear shimano hubs. Give these a shot for my budget wheel build.

I'm down for 24 front/28 rear shimano hubs. Give these a shot for my budget wheel build.

Done.





...and we have an early attack...:D

...and we have an early attack...:D









There seems to be little response from the group thus far...

I'm very interested. I need a little time to figure out if I want to be in on it though....

There seems to be little response from the group thus far...

I have to go count spokes and see if I can make any of these work.

...the gap continues to grow with a few riders eyeing the move...

Hey Bob, I'm looking for hubs that are disc brake compatible. Any chance Novatec has some that could be included here? Shimano, 32H, rear would need to be 135mm spacing.

Thanks!

Hey Bob, I'm looking for hubs that are disc brake compatible. Any chance Novatec has some that could be included here? Shimano, 32H, rear would need to be 135mm spacing.

Thanks!

I'd rather not complicate a group buy with too many options.

Truth be told I will eventually be offering a full line of NOVATEC hubs. I will even carry the hubs featured in this group buy but not at this price - hence the group buy.

I can certainly help you find a hub that will work for you.

Email me at the sales email in my sig. There are some cross hubs that might fit the bill. If those don't tickle your fancy I'm sure we can nail down a spec for you.

hmm, interested in a 20H front, do i just order through your site? do i have to wait for x amount of people to also order a 20h front hub? also, is this following henry ford rules with black only?

too many questions, but last one. is the color powder coated or anodized (it's much easier to strip anodize from aluminum in my experience)?

edit: durr, just read the faq's, so i'll sign up for a front hub and see if anybody else joins :/ 10 minimum i take it?

hmm, interested in a 20H front, do i just order through your site? do i have to wait for x amount of people to also order a 20h front hub? also, is this following henry ford rules with black only?

too many questions, but last one. is the color powder coated or anodized (it's much easier to strip anodize from aluminum in my experience)?

edit: durr, just read the faq's, so i'll sign up for a front hub and see if anybody else joins :/ 10 minimum i take it?

Yes.

No.

Yes, black only.

Ano.

In truth I can sell hubs one at a time if I choose. I am offering the hubs at a discounted price as I am structuring the sale like a group buy; I get a better price and save on logistics, so I offer them at a better price.

My original idea was to offer immediate product to those who couldn't wait at the regular price and to give a discount to those who chose to wait and join the group buy.

But since I'm a fan of the early move, I'd be willing to do an immediate sale at the group buy price.

All of this is contingent, of course, on NOVATEC having stock RIGHT NOW. With the group buy there is a lead time which is for the very purpose of producing the order. This I would have to verify.

That's the long explanation.;)

I am interested as well in a set of 32hole. But kind of turned off by the 45+ day lead time.

I'm very interested in getting a front hub, but I'm not sure if I should get a 28 or 32. I'm looking to start learning about wheelbuilding, and am a big guy (6-1, ~290) - am I crazy to think about anything less than the 32? It would be road riding, trying to avoid 'bad things', etc.

Side question - I see they come with a quick release skewer, is it possible to use a bolt-on skewer on these instead? Since it is a front wheel, I don't think it would actually matter for me, but I was curious.

looks like we have a couple of riders peeling off the front. They are making their way across to that lone early rider.

I am interested as well in a set of 32hole. But kind of turned off by the 45+ day lead time.

Well I guess I need to pull the trigger on the BUY NOW option.:D

I was going to wait on this but it seems like there is a demand so who am I to argue?

For those interested I can offer these same hubs at the regular price now.

Front Hub: $34.99US
Rear Hub: $79.99US

If you are in no hurry you can join the group buy and save a few dollars.

Please let me verify that NOVATEC has stock on this item right now. I will then post back on this thread. OR you can go directly to my site and purchase the hubs there (I'll need an hour or so to get it up).

http://www.bdopcycling.com/Hubs-Road.asp

Honestly I would really prefer to keep this as a straight up group buy but I am certainly willing to accommodate the first few people to get involved.

Stay tuned for further details.







...the main group is eyeing that small group off the front...

I'm very interested in getting a front hub, but I'm not sure if I should get a 28 or 32. I'm looking to start learning about wheelbuilding, and am a big guy (6-1, ~290) - am I crazy to think about anything less than the 32? It would be road riding, trying to avoid 'bad things', etc.

Side question - I see they come with a quick release skewer, is it possible to use a bolt-on skewer on these instead? Since it is a front wheel, I don't think it would actually matter for me, but I was curious.

I would recommend a 32H for you (how about a 36?). Check out the Clyde forum and I'm sure others would agree.

These hubs come without Q/R skewers. I'm sorry I can't offer them as a bolt on hub.

If you are really interested in a bolt on front hub email me at the sales address in my sig or PM me here and perhaps I could suggest another hub for you. Something beefier might not be a bad way for you to go.

What is the center to flange measurement on the rear hub for both the drive and nondrive side?

What is the center to flange measurement on the rear hub for both the drive and nondrive side?

Front: F.T.F: 68.7mm
Rear: F.T.F:57.0mm
Offset: 9.5mm

Please go here (http://www.bdopcycling.com/GroupBuys-%20Hubs.asp) for more technical information.

Looks like the pace is picking up on the front...

I'm leaning toward a 24 front hub and a 28 rear hub. I need to get the funds together. When is the latest to actually put the funds down on the hubs?

I'm leaning toward a 24 front hub and a 28 rear hub. I need to get the funds together. When is the latest to actually put the funds down on the hubs?

Any time before the order is placed.

If you want PM me with your shipping and contact information and I can pencil you in.

...the early move seems to be moving across to the solo rider off the front but they seem a tad disorganized...





The opportunity to join the early move is now closed. We are back to a straight up group buy.

Novatec no longer has stock of these items. It is the time of year when inventories are in flux as 2010 bikes are being assembled. What was there a week ago isn't today.

Once the group buy order is placed the hubs will be produced to fill that order specifically and this will not be an issue. I will also restock at that time and will offer these hubs at the regular price from that point on.

I am waiting for a response from Novatec about the early move order and will contact those involved by email.

Are these compatible with bladed spokes? Its not a deal breaker, but if that option is available I'd prefer that type of hub.

Are these compatible with bladed spokes? Its not a deal breaker, but if that option is available I'd prefer that type of hub.

That would depend on the spoke. The holes are not slotted.

I know the C-xray spokes work just fine since NOVATEC uses them on their wheel builds.

FWIW Slotting can be done at any decent LBS.

A couple of the riders from the early move have sat up. It looks like they are waiting for the bunch.

Two of the riders from the early move are making their way across to the solo rider off the front...

Please figure me out a way to use the available drillings with my existing 36 hole rims or find me some 540 rims with fewer holes to use with your hubs. Other wise I'll only need a front 32 for a different build.

Or please check in to an 18 hole drilling so it becomes math I am capable of. 36 spokes is alot for a rider that weighs significantly less than 100 pounds.

Please figure me out a way to use the available drillings with my existing 36 hole rims or find me some 540 rims with fewer holes to use with your hubs. Other wise I'll only need a front 32 for a different build.

Or please check in to an 18 hole drilling so it becomes math I am capable of. 36 spokes is alot for a rider that weighs significantly less than 100 pounds.

Email me at the sales address in my sig. I may be able to find a solution for you.

Just placed my order for a 24/20 Shimano set

edit: Is ok to spoke the front hub radially?

Thanks for the order.

There are no issues with radial lacing any NOVATEC hubs. They produce several wheels laced this way.

...we have a few riders who have moved off the front to form a second small group chasing the leader. The first group seems to be working better together and will probably soon catch our early escape.

Looks like we have a bike race.

The lone escapee and the closing chase group have just crossed over the first INTERMEDIATE SPRINT POINT. The race organizer has just announced a FIELD PRIME (http://www.bdopcycling.com/Bar%20Wrap.asp) for the first rider from the bunch to join the group buy.




(As determined by a PAYMENT RECEIVED notice in my inbox)

Offset: 9.5mm



I saw that value, but it did not seem correct. I assume you've built wheels with these hubs, can you verify that 9.5mm is correct? That would mean that the flange spacing is 7-8mm from center less that DT 240, which is generally considered to be narrow to begin with.

I saw that value, but it did not seem correct. I assume you've built wheels with these hubs, can you verify that 9.5mm is correct? That would mean that the flange spacing is 7-8mm from center less that DT 240, which is generally considered to be narrow to begin with.

I haven't laced these hubs into a wheel myself (I rode sample wheels that were already built). The number is from the product catalog. There are several other hubs with similar numbers.

I just double checked and that is what is listed. If you are really concerned I can contact Novatec and have them verify that number.

The riders are jockeying for position eyeing the FIELD PRIME and...WHOA! One rider jumps out of the field and snatches the INTERMEDIATE SPRINT PRIME.

Congrats Erik B.

Your shwag is on the way.

Can you confirm my calculations? I've never had to calculate the flange to center dimension before so I'm not sure if I'm interpreting the offset spec correctly.

Flange to flange - 57 mm
Offset - 9.5 mm

I got 28.5 mm for center to left flange and 19 mm for center to right flange

Thanks.

Can you confirm my calculations? I've never had to calculate the flange to center dimension before so I'm not sure if I'm interpreting the offset spec correctly.

Flange to flange - 57 mm
Offset - 9.5 mm

I got 28.5 mm for center to left flange and 19 mm for center to right flange

Thanks.

Sorry for the delay.

These would not be the numbers that I arrive at.

I have had a few questions about the numbers for these hubs so I wanted to confirm everything with the manufacturer before responding.

Since we are in a 4 day long weekend here (Dragon Boat Festival) the response to my email hasn't come but I felt I needed to chime in.

I will post a definitive response as soon as I can.

OK.

I received my response from the manufacturer and have confirmed all the numbers for these hubs.

For SHIMANO 8/9/10:

The Flange to Flange is 57mm. The offset is 9.5mm. To arrive at Center to Left and Center to Right flange dimensions you divide the F to F dimension in half, add the offset for the left side and subtract the offset for the right side.

1. 57/2=28.5
2. 28.5+9.5=38. Center to left flange is 38mm
3. 28.5-9.5=19. Center to right flange is 19mm.

For CAMPAGNOLO 10/11:

1. 57/2=28.5
2. 28.5+10.5=39. Center to left flange is 39mm
3. 28.5- 10.5=18. Center to right flange is 18mm.

To double check you add the two measurements together and should arrive back at the flange to flange measurement.

Shimano: 38+19=57. OK
Campagnolo:39+18=57. OK

I hope this clears up any confusion.

Thank you very much :thumb:

We have a group of riders off the front who have formed the day's first significant break. They continue to put time into the bunch. There have been a few attempt by riders from the group to solo across to this break but none have have been successful.

We are quickly approaching the first significant climb of the day...




I am about to place an order with NOVATEC for some hubs for another project. I have decided to combine this order with the orders from this group buy to date. Anyone joining in the next few days will have their order placed now.

The group buy will continue to run and I will place a subsequent order for those who join later.

The main bunch has reached the base of the climb while our leaders are quickly approaching the summit.

A few riders have jumped away from the group and are making their away across to our escapees.

It looks likely they will join up with the break on the descent.





Order placed. It should take a day or two to confirm the specs with the factory. Once that is done the clock starts ticking...

If I were to place my order, Would I have to wait untill the next order went out?

If I were to place my order, Would I have to wait untill the next order went out?

Not if you got in now.

The factory hasn't confirmed my ordr yet (it is a complicated one) so until they do (in a few days) I can add, subtract or change items.

Once it is confirmed the delivery date will be set.

A few riders have made it across to the lead group on the descent. The size of this group has grown and this move looks like it has a chance.

The main group is starting to pick up the pace but they've given the break a pretty long leash.

There's still a long way to go...






Order confirmed and set. Anyone joining the buy now will be placed on a new order. Target date for placing this order is 01 July.

I just concluded a lengthy email exchange with Novatec. It seems there are a few changes to the spec. They are minor and will effect only a few people.

I will contact those affected by email.

Because of the size of the flange on the FRONT HUB Novatec will NOT drill it to 32H or 36H. Their R&D people are concerned about there being too little material and possible failures. 32H and 36H will not be available.

The RR HUB is in the same situation. 36H will not be available.

I guess the positive spin is that they are not willing to offer me products spec'd in such a way that they are not 100% confident in. There are other companies who would not do this.

As to slotting there is an option between a round drilling and and aero/round drilling. For convenience sake ALL HOLES WILL BE DRILLED AERO. These will also accept round spokes.

That is all.

It looks like a second group may be forming after the descent. Some of the riders were a bit cautious on the downhill but they are now grouping up and have started working together.




There are already a few orders for the next buy. Thanks to those who have jumped in.

The race is now making it's way across the valley floor. The gaps are holding steady as the riders take time to eat as the next climb looms in the distance...

The riders have moved onto the second climb of the day. The chasing group seems to be closing on the front group. It looks like they will come together on the climb. That will give us 1 large group off the front with a significant lead over the main bunch.

Although there has been increased activity from the main group it will take some serious work for them to bring that large group back. Meanwhile the first order is in production.




I'm looking at the numbers for the next buy. The target was July 1 but that may have to be pushed back a bit as I'd like to see more people involved before I write another order.

As i'm feeling lazy and not wanting to sort through this to try and find the info....

Where are we with the orders that got placed for the original buy? I think I'm in the breakaway, but maybe it was the first chase.