Mountain Biking - What is it with this place?

Why is it just a bunch of newbs here asking questions about $500 crap bikes? I know money dont make the sport, but damn, there aint alot to know about Trek 4300s. Can someone just post some pictures of some scantily clad broads or something?

Are you recommending a recreational rider jump right into a $2000 rig. Think before making posts like this.

Our bikes aren't l337 enough for j00!?

You want different topics post em up!

Our bikes aren't l337 enough for j00!?

You want different topics post em up!
Disruption... Posts which intend to disrupt the topic of conversation or steer the topic away from the focus of the forum and related news. Disruption can include harassment, multiple user profiles, multiple posting of the same post and posting completely off topic messages. Please do your best when it comes to grammar, punctuation and spelling. Consistent use of "AOL'ese" and "hAx0r" talk can be very disruptive
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Are you recommending a recreational rider jump right into a $2000 rig. Think before making posts like this.

Hmmm..............lets see fella? Lets go back over my post, shall we?

To quote myself:

"Why is it just a bunch of newbs here asking questions about $500 crap bikes? I know money dont make the sport, but damn, there aint alot to know about Trek 4300s. Can someone just post some pictures of some scantily clad broads or something?"

Well, I dont see any referance to anything about $2000 bikes, do you? Hmmm...I dont even see any referance to anything you somehow inferred. Maybe you should think about drinking some bleach, because I dont even know WTF youre talking about. I just want more to read than a bunch of crap about cheap bikes. Is that so bad?

Think before responding to posts like this ;)

Disruption... Posts which intend to disrupt the topic of conversation or steer the topic away from the focus of the forum and related news. Disruption can include harassment, multiple user profiles, multiple posting of the same post and posting completely off topic messages. Please do your best when it comes to grammar, punctuation and spelling. Consistent use of "AOL'ese" and "hAx0r" talk can be very disruptive
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It's an on topic reply. So I'm ok there. And I certainly wouldn't call it any more more disruptive than the original post. I stand by my post.

Edit: CLEARLY I am not even remotely diruptive comparitively.

The "newbs" are posting about $500 bikes because thats the kind of bikes they are looking for.

They are probably overwhelmed with the amount of choices to be made and want a bit of help. They are trying to make an informed purchase and don't want to get ripped off. So they ask "what bike can I get for $350" etc. etc.

Haha, I kinda stopped going to this forum for that reason. The topics are reptitive, but thats not anyones fault, the forum is meant to be helpful for anybody, so if you don't like the topics, leave and find another forum.

Idol of idiot worshipers.

It's an on topic reply. So I'm ok there. And I certainly wouldn't call it any more more disruptive than the original post. I stand by my post.

Edit: CLEARLY I am not even remotely diruptive comparitively.
Pay attention to the underlined portion sparky

forum*rider hit it right on the head. There is no fault in asking for experienced help when shopping for an intro (or "crap") bike. There is plenty to research out on any bike purchase regardless of price point when you've never purchased a mtn bike. There are an overwhelming number of choices and it's tough to learn exactly what components are high-dollar items and what aren't that great just by looking at them and taking a quick spin around the LBS lot.

BurlySurly, I don't know what you consider a non-crap bike, nor do I care. Point is, the newbie posts are legit questions looking for legit answers. You may see them as clutter, but I assure you that your thread here contributed FAR less than any newbie post I've seen recently. If you don't like a topic, move on, and definitely don't make another thread just to moan about it. :rolleyes:

I think he's frustrated with the fact that the $500 and under question is asked constantly on this board and the answers for the most part don't change. Perhaps a Sticky topic should be made.

Why is it just a bunch of newbs here asking questions about $500 crap bikes? I know money dont make the sport, but damn, there aint alot to know about Trek 4300s. Can someone just post some pictures of some scantily clad broads or something?

This really doesn't deserve a reply but what the heck? It is a good skill in life to be able to see beyond your own perspective. You should learn it. It will serve you well regardless of where you go. Obviously you are bored with the questions on "$500 crap bikes." What about the hundreds of newbies who stroll in here wondering what the difference is between a Walmart bike and a LBS bike. That is probably a decent part of the traffic on this site.

I don't know the stats but I would say Walmart and other department stores outsell LBS's BIG TIME! Also the amount of money you spend on a bike don't mean crap. The more important question is, do you ride it? I have two $300 + bikes (Trek 4300's) and I have put over 3000 miles on them since last September. I bet there are a lot of people that have spent a lot more and ridden a lot less since then.

It looks like to me you just missed a Midol dose or maybe you are trolling but addressing newbie questions in a forum like this is probably the most important function that it serves.

Pay attention to the underlined portion sparky


Yeah I saw it. I neither consider my haxX0r speak "consistent" nor do I consider it "disruptive". Again, I stand by my post.

Why is it just a bunch of newbs here asking questions about $500 crap bikes? I know money dont make the sport, but damn, there aint alot to know about Trek 4300s. Can someone just post some pictures of some scantily clad broads or something?

Well.. I dont have any pics of broads, but i do ride a sub 500$ bike. Alot of these people are trying to get into the sport but were ( like myself) intimidated by the price of the mid range-high end bikes. Most people just see that there are cheaper bikes and want to make sure that the quality is ok. Is it frustrating, sure, but hey it brings people to the sport and thats never a bad thing.

Yeah I saw it. I neither consider my haxX0r speak "consistent" nor do I consider it "disruptive". Again, I stand by my post.

Aolese is disruptive. To be honest I don't notice because the second I see any of it I will ignore the entire message. Not worth my time to translate child talk.

Aolese is disruptive. To be honest I don't notice because the second I see any of it I will ignore the entire message. Not worth my time to translate child talk.
Thank you

Ok I'll make sure to insult a large amount of posters by calling their bikes crap and then suggest someone drink bleach as that seems to be perfectly fine.

Holy **** is this ever stupid.

Ok I'll make sure to insult a large amount of posters by calling their bikes crap and then suggest someone drink bleach as that seems to be perfectly fine.

Holy **** is this ever stupid.

Hey I don't care about the bikes. But aolese is really annoying and disruptive. Sorry if you don't see it, but it is.

I counted the front page of the forum, 22 topics involving stuff already been covered. That includes, clipless, terms, bikes for 500 and under, new guys getting into biking, et al.

Hes not being rude, hes making a point that this forum is becoming kind of a joke. Instead of repeating the same question look through. You'll probably get all your answers questioned by using the search bar than getting people repeating the same stuff. If you say this forum is helping people go ahead. But there is more to biking than just the first bit.

A person has got to listen and look to really learn something. C'mon, any topics about other stuff than a $500 dollar bike? Count how many times thats been asked on the front page

Burly you are the fricking man I tell you what. I was going to post the exact same thing but never got around to it. This site has really gone to hell lately with all the stupid **** about the same thing over and over and the general population of idiots. Something really has to change around here otherwise....??????? Joe is a good guy and I would hate for his site to go to the junk pile......joe is going to have to start banning stupid people or maybe have a "email for registration" type thing. I'd be glad to be on the jury that selects people that get to register!

I counted the front page of the forum, 22 topics involving stuff already been covered. That includes, clipless, terms, bikes for 500 and under, new guys getting into biking, et al.

Hes not being rude, hes making a point that this forum is becoming kind of a joke. Instead of repeating the same question look through. You'll probably get all your answers questioned by using the search bar than getting people repeating the same stuff. If you say this forum is helping people go ahead. But there is more to biking than just the first bit.

A person has got to listen and look to really learn something. C'mon, any topics about other stuff than a $500 dollar bike? Count how many times thats been asked on the front page

Knock, Knock! Anyone home? This is NOT ABOUT YOU! This is not reservations only, this is a "come and go party." So what if you have read something more than once. There are hundreds if not more people that land on this site every day. Many of them have never been here before!!!!

What part of this are you not getting? OK. Let me break it down for ya. Read this outloud........" I AM WE TODD DID." Say it again " I AM WE TODD DID!" Maybe that will help.

Unbelievable!

1. The rules say "consistent use". 2 words out of 14 is not consistent, especially if you consider that I've never posted a bit of it before and my post count must be near 100.

2. It was a joke. And a far better one than the original poster could muster. My comment was absolutely harmless and even included a suggestion on fixing his complaint!

3. You don't "care about the bikes" on a bike forum but "1337 speak" is something you care about? That's just silly. Yet call somebody elses bike "crap" and you're doing fine.

What really pisses me off abou this is that I did not call many members bikes "crap" nor did I suggest another member of the forum "drink bleach" when I was 100% in error! Yet here I am being moderated?! For "l337" and j00?! That is assinine!! I have thousands of posts on various forums and many of those posts have been made as a moderator. This has to be the worst example of moderation I have seen on an Internet forum in almost a decade of Internet experience! I said nothing out of line with the rules of this forum and comparitive to the original post and 5th post I'm downright angelic.

This is moronic.

I think he's frustrated with the fact that the $500 and under question is asked constantly on this board and the answers for the most part don't change. Perhaps a Sticky topic should be made.

I was thinking about this the other day as well. These kind of questions seem to pick up in the summer months as more people get out and start to ride. I think a sticky covering new bikes would be a good idea. Maybe we could create one listing all popular bikes broken into different price points. We could have a brief poll voting on bikes in each class and then list them in order of popularity. What do the mods think?

Sure there are tons of posts out there covering "cheap" bikes, but I remember what it was like to be new to biking and have no idea what people were talking about. I would search before I asked a question, but I really didn't know what to search for and it seemed my question was new anyway.

Peter, keep in mind that each person has their own uses and we certainly don't all fit best in the same sub-$500 bike. It's not like each thread about a lower-end bike is the exact same question. And Peter, he WAS being rude...unless I misinterpreted that I ride a crap bike and should go drink bleach.

I spend a lot of time on other forums, corvetteforum.com in particular. People buy new cars all the time and come to ask what intake or exhaust is best almost daily as well. You can either link them to a helpful thread or whine about it, and whining about it won't stop the same question from being asked tomorrow by another new owner.

Raiyn had a good idea about the sticky, but even at that people will still ask the same questions (maybe less often), or whine about too many stickys. 1337 isn't my cup of tea either, but it really doesn't bother me, and ions has been one of the most open informative and welcoming members here with my numerous questions.

Soooo, in the end you can either just not post at all on newbie threads if you have thin skin like Burly and Extreme Biker, or just be as helpful as you can. Threads like this just waste all of our time.

This is moronic.
agreed.

I was thinking about this the other day as well. These kind of questions seem to pick up in the summer months as more people get out and start to ride. I think a sticky covering new bikes would be a good idea. Maybe we could create one listing all popular bikes broken into different price points. We could have a brief poll voting on bikes in each class and then list them in order of popularity. What do the mods think?...

I agree also. It would be nice to post a topic with some good reviews on sub 500$ bikes, and then sticky it as a " read first before posting " topic. They do that over at the jeepforums and works quite nicely. I would be willing to help out with that thread seeing as I am a sub 500$ rider.

The point of this thread isnt to get on the case of people asking about $500 bikes over and over. The point is that everything is asked over and over, there is only talk about bikes, there are only short questions asking about stupid **** "what tire do I want", nobody tries to help themself by looking online instead they ask anything that comes to mind.......and that there are alot of stupid kids or mental people on this site.

Soooo, in the end you can either just not post at all on newbie threads if you have thin skin like Burly and Extreme Biker, or just be as helpful as you can. Threads like this just waste all of our time.

:thumbsup:

You can be one of 3 types of people if you're a senior member of a forum.

You can be the person that ignores the new people. Not a really helpful part of the community.

You can be someone who wastes peoples time by being a donkey. A definate drain on the community.

You can be someone who is helpful.

I know who I'd like to be.

Woohoo!

A thread that has both. More than 2 posts and interesting commentary. Welcome back to the what a real internet forum looks like!

We got controversy!!!!!

Yea I do hear you, even though I'm new to these forums it does seem that the same questions are asked a rediculous amount of time. I think part of the problem is that this is a general mtb forum. everthing regarding mtb is asked. it would be sweet if there were maybe separate forums kinda like pirate4x4 has ( ie: skills, equipment, trail acess, newbie).
Thats my 2 cents anyways, take it as you will.

The point of this thread isnt to get on the case of people asking about $500 bikes over and over. The point is that everything is asked over and over, there is only talk about bikes, there are only short questions asking about stupid **** "what tire do I want", nobody tries to help themself by looking online instead they ask anything that comes to mind.......and that there are alot of stupid kids or mental people on this site.


If you find a forum that has a fair sized community and does not have this affliction let me know. I've never seen one. I agree people should take it upon themselves to search and far too many want answers handed to them. Unless you're happy with a small clique forum this is going to be the way the new people come to a site. FWIW this forum is nowhere near as bad with this as a PC based forum or a car based forum. One reason I liked it and decided to hang around.

Poodisturbing is not a legitimate form of stimulating a forum. At least not IMO. It's far more offensive and disturbing than a simple word joke.

If you find a forum that has a fair sized community and does not have this affliction let me know. I've never seen one. I agree people should take it upon themselves to search and far too many want answers handed to them. Unless you're happy with a small clique forum this is going to be the way the new people come to a site. FWIW this forum is nowhere near as bad with this as a PC based forum or a car based forum. One reason I liked it and decided to hang around.


Youre so sheltered. I almost feel bad for you....almost. You guys need some newb stickies about Trek 4300s and maybe a newb question forum. That'd clean it up alot.

And we need a thread about beer and cheese too.

Poodisturbing is not a legitimate form of stimulating a forum. At least not IMO. It's far more offensive and disturbing than a simple word joke.


good thing your opinion is obviously a bit of a joke here. get with it yo.

Youre so sheltered. I almost feel bad for you....almost. You guys need some newb stickies about Trek 4300s and maybe a newb question forum. That'd clean it up alot.

And we need a thread about beer and cheese too.
agreed. especially the newb forum... I would also like to see some heated arguments in the cheese forums... ;)

If you find a forum that has a fair sized community and does not have this affliction let me know.http://www.cripplefight.com/smileys/owned.gif


Ridemonkey........Hcor






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The point of this thread isnt to get on the case of people asking about $500 bikes over and over. The point is that everything is asked over and over, there is only talk about bikes, there are only short questions asking about stupid **** "what tire do I want", nobody tries to help themself by looking online instead they ask anything that comes to mind.......and that there are alot of stupid kids or mental people on this site.

The fatal flaw in your logic is that only new folk will ask the same question over and over. You can make everyone here agree to extensive searches before posting, put up stickys, etc, etc...people will still ask duplicate questions. A separate "first bike shopping" forum may help, stickys may help, but new folk will still think their beginner question is advanced and ask in the wrong place. You just have to live with it, plain and simple.

Ions is correct, there are 3 types of member you can be. That's the only thing you have control over.

Youre so sheltered. I almost feel bad for you....

Why? Because he's correct?

The fatal flaw in your logic is that only new folk will ask the same question over and over. You can make everyone here agree to extensive searches before posting, put up stickys, etc, etc...people will still ask duplicate questions. A separate "first bike shopping" forum may help, stickys may help, but new folk will still think their beginner question is advanced and ask in the wrong place. You just have to live with it, plain and simple.

Ions is correct, there are 3 types of member you can be. That's the only thing you have control over.


dude, have you ever been to another website? None that I usually post on have these issues. a newb MTB forum or some stickies would seriously cut down. Theres not too many specialized rockhopper threads on the forums i visit...so what do you suppose is the difference?

Why? Because he's correct?


quit personally attacking and flaming or Im going to report you.

Ions IS correct. He's obviously been around forums enough to know how things work. Any large forum gets large by having lots of new members and related questions. Calm down and stop crying about threads you don't like. It's early summer and lots of people are bike shopping...questions will be asked.

And last I checked you're calling him sheltered, telling me to drink bleach, flaming anyone with legit questions on sub-$500 bikes, and creating at least two complete garbage threads in the past day that have nothing to do with mountain biking in the mountain biking forum. Pot-Kettle-Black my friend.

dude, have you ever been to another website? None that I usually post on have these issues. a newb MTB forum or some stickies would seriously cut down. Theres not too many specialized rockhopper threads on the forums i visit...so what do you suppose is the difference?
Ok so lets stop talking about it and do it. I am going to start a "New Riders Read First" Thread. If you guys want to help me out then thats great.
I am thinking, post some info on entry level bikes, some reasons why toy store bikes are not sufficient, maybe some necessary skills ( there are all threads on this topic, but it would be nice to have them all on the same thread) anything else?

Ions IS correct. He's obviously been around forums enough to know how things work.

And last I checked you're calling him sheltered, telling me to drink bleach, flaming anyone with legit questions on sub-$500 bikes, and creating at least two complete garbage threads in the past day that have nothing to do with mountain biking. Pot-Kettle-Black my friend.

No. Actually he's quite incorrect as numerous people in this thread have pointed out, citing such examples as Ridemonkey.com and Hcor.net, plus Ive been PMd and told of another since I started this thread. The main reason i stopped posting here in the first place was because of people who prolly ride Trek4300s and Rockhoppers. Not that theres anything wrong with the bikes, but that MTBin is so much more broad than those two models..yet what do we hear about all the time here? Yeah. exactly. Youre the posterchild for what Im talking about.

Also...learn to take a joke at face value and quit whining.

Ions IS correct. He's obviously been around forums enough to know how things work. Any large forum gets large by having lots of new members and related questions. Calm down and stop crying about threads you don't like. It's early summer and lots of people are bike shopping...questions will be asked.

And last I checked you're calling him sheltered, telling me to drink bleach, flaming anyone with legit questions on sub-$500 bikes, and creating at least two complete garbage threads in the past day that have nothing to do with mountain biking in the mountain biking forum. Pot-Kettle-Black my friend.

Shut up you fu♂king guy! People like you are the worst on forums......people that dont put anything in their profile.....what are you trying to do??

Describe what types of riding conditions there are, and what types of bikes will work best with each.

Try to give a rough heirarchy of brand for the various components and why they make a BIG imapct on thr price (sounds obvious, but I didn't appreciate this at all last week).

Tell new members where they can save $$$, and where they shouldn't skimp.

Hahahaah I found out why BQuicksilver is so angry......he is a big part of the problem!


I'm looking for a new bike, and would rather aim on the low end since i'm not competitive, however I would love both front and rear lockouts since my riding will be either XC or paved flat trail.

Does anyone have a good list of what bikes do and don't have lockouts?


Yea I will waste my own time trying to find a bunch of bikes that dont have lockout and have lockout. You also never said anything about what kind of bike. A list of bikes that have and dont have any lockouts would be absolutely HUGE!! Think about it....are ANY of us on this site going to have a list of bikes handy? Come on guy.....guy....lets think here guy....come on....

that'd be lame.

Shut up you fu♂king guy! People like you are the worst on forums......people that dont put anything in their profile.....what are you trying to do??

Notice i actually filled in my profile after this reply... I didnt even know i had one...

No. Actually he's quite incorrect as numerous people in this thread have pointed out, citing such examples as Ridemonkey.com and Hcor.net, plus Ive been PMd and told of another since I started this thread. The main reason i stopped posting here in the first place was because of people who prolly ride Trek4300s and Rockhoppers. Not that theres anything wrong with the bikes, but that MTBin is so much more broad than those two models..yet what do we hear about all the time here? Yeah. exactly. Youre the posterchild for what Im talking about.

Whining? I'm pretty sure I didn't start this thread.

Sorry, but I still don't see the fault in asking about what bikes fit me as a new rider. I looked at all levels and concluded the specialized hardtails were best for me. I don't think most new folk come and ask "is the rockhopper good?"...that would be an easy search answer. We come and tell the forum about us, what we do, and ask for recommendations. You can't really search for this info.

If you've found some hardcore superbiker only forum that makes you feel good, go there. There are forums for my other hobbies that I prefer, and ones that I don't. I don't hang out at the ones I don't like and moan about why I don't like them. Makes no sense unless you're just the type who likes to complain. (hmmmm ;) )