"The 33"-Road Bike Racing - Bad Giro crash

Pro bicycle racing is very, very dangerous (http://www.velonews.com/article/92142/).

The astonishing aspect of all this is how this doesn't occur at least once every grand tour in Europe. That's a testament to the phenomenal bike handling skills of these pros.

Prayers for that young man.

It's rather miraculous he wasn't killed on the spot. He rode his bike at 40+ mph 150 feet into a ravine. Hope the kid pulls through. Man what a nasty crash.

That's horrible.

He doesn't appear to be in mortal danger:

Giro doctor Mino Farolfi told RAI television that Horrillo’s life is not in immediate danger. On a scale of 1 to 5, he rated his condition was at 3.5.

Bike racers are always in mortal danger.

Bike racers are always in mortal danger.

Well Pros and faster ones. At my speeds I can practically hop off and walk it out if threatened by a crash.

Prayers for that young man.

Fortunately, he is getting something much better - the best medical treatment we know, administered by highly trained professionals. It was a horrific crash, and danger is always a heartbeat away in this sport. I very much hope that he not only pulls through (as it seems likely he will), but that he makes a full recovery.

This pic from cyclingnews puts into perspective what happened to this guy:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2009/giro09/?id=/photos/2009/giro09/giro098/bettiniphoto_0038803_1_fullhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2009/giro09/giro098/bettiniphoto_0038801_1_full.jpg

In case remote linking to the pic doesn't work:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2009/giro09/?id=/photos/2009/giro09/giro098/bettiniphoto_0038801_1_full

Thats to bad...

Crazy, I was just watching the late coverage and just heard about it. Pretty bad fall, he's lucky to make it out alive.

Fortunately, he is getting something much better - the best medical treatment we know, administered by highly trained professionals.
I AM a highly trained professional but I can't be there to help him. Pascal's wager: if God is real, prayer may help. If God is an illusion, prayer won't hurt.

But thanks for your open-minded comments.

Yeah, in the mountains, there are turns that you really don't want to miss. Some of the stuff I've done in Moab is, well, you know. I've heard of a few people falling off Poison Spider Mesa... no rescue needed.

I'm glad he's doing as well as he is. Amazing, considering his situation.

That's what I call a ravine.

Fortunately, he is getting something much better - the best medical treatment we know, administered by highly trained professionals.

I had that for five years. It didn't work out so well.

At least they didn't kill me. But it's not like they didn't try.

Fortunately, he is getting something much better - the best medical treatment we know, administered by highly trained professionals. It was a horrific crash, and danger is always a heartbeat away in this sport. I very much hope that he not only pulls through (as it seems likely he will), but that he makes a full recovery.

QFS - Quoted for Stupid

QFS - Quoted for Stupid

True that post has all the tact of a sledge hammer, but I for one would like to see someone prove to me that prayer has any impact on outcome. Pure fantasy and delusion.

As for the original topic, I feel very badly for Pedro and wish him a speedy recovery.

It reminds me of Johan Bruyneel's crash in the '96 Tour de France, where he launched off a cliff and disappeared from sight. At the time, I had a very bad feeling that it was going to end like Fabio Casartelli's crash the year before. :(

It's amazing that these dramatic crashes don't happen more often, and I'm glad they don't. I wish the best for Horrillo and his family.

This is the first thing I thought of when I read what happened.

http://www.thevirtualmusette.com/storage/Wim%20van%20Est%20Tire%20Rope%20Edwin%20Seldenthuis.jpg

http://www.thevirtualmusette.com/storage/Wim%20van%20Est%20cover%20of%20Centripress%20Sportmagazine.jpg


Hope he heals super fast!

True that post has all the tact of a sledge hammer, but I for one would like to see someone prove to me that prayer has any impact on outcome. Pure fantasy and delusion.
As for the original topic, I feel very badly for Pedro and wish him a speedy recovery.

yes

This pic from cyclingnews puts into perspective what happened to this guy:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2009/giro09/?id=/photos/2009/giro09/giro098/bettiniphoto_0038803_1_fullhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2009/giro09/giro098/bettiniphoto_0038801_1_full.jpg

In case remote linking to the pic doesn't work:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2009/giro09/?id=/photos/2009/giro09/giro098/bettiniphoto_0038801_1_full

Good God. I hope he makes it out okay.

Remember Pereiro's crash last year in the Tour...he fell off the top of a switchback on to the returning section of road below.

From cycling news:
14:12 CEST
We are happy to start off our report today with some good news. Rabobank reports that Pedro Horrillo has come out of his induced coma, can be spoken to, and has moved his arms and legs. His wife will be arrving sometime today. He is still in very serious condition, though, and we send him all our best wishes for a speedy recovery.

I for one would like to see someone prove to me that prayer has any impact on outcome. Pure fantasy and delusion.

So put the religion to the side. Do you have any doubts that the love and support of family, friends, community, etc. can impact a person's psychology? Any difficulty for you making the connection from phsychology to medical outcomes?

If prayer is an expression of love and support, why wouldn't it help? I'm not talking about some magical transformation of injured cells, but more helping to keep the chin up for the fight, lower blood pressure, less energy wasted on psych issues, etc.

Obviously a blind reliance on prayer as a substitute for any medical influence is ridiculous, but it really might help, and certainly won't hurt.

Shouting from the rooftops that you're atheist is fine, but try to stay objective and not let your religion get in the way of logic.

True that post has all the tact of a sledge hammer, but I for one would like to see someone prove to me that prayer has any impact on outcome. Pure fantasy and delusion.

Actually, I seem to recall a study (can't vouch for its methodology) that looked at hospital patients and compared the results of people with similar conditions, and looked at whether or not they prayed. You know, sort of falling in line with the way that emotional well-being *can* have an effect on recovery from illness.

Unfortunately I can't remember if the study reported that people who prayed more recovered more, or recovered less.

While I'm not one for prayer, is this really the place for a conversation that, at the end of the day, is still about wishing someone the best?

IBTM

Looks like he will live to tell his tale, if he even remembers it. Thats crazy.

I was watching some coverage on Universal of the crash. Or actually what took place after. Crazy.
This gent is quite fortunate to be awake and moving his arms and legs.

So put the religion to the side. Do you have any doubts that the love and support of family, friends, community, etc. can impact a person's psychology? Any difficulty for you making the connection from phsychology to medical outcomes?

If prayer is an expression of love and support, why wouldn't it help?

Unless the person you are praying for is present (even if they are, it's debatable), your "expression of love and support" likely won't do them any good. Wikipedia article on the efficacy of prayer. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficacy_of_prayer)



Obviously a blind reliance on prayer as a substitute for any medical influence is ridiculous, but it really might help, and certainly won't hurt.


Sure, and throwing salt over your shoulder in their name can't hurt either, right?



Shouting from the rooftops that you're atheist is fine, but try to stay objective and not let your religion get in the way of logic.

Sounds like you are the one lacking objectivity. Seems like you are insistent that practicing your religion not only can't hurt the poor fellow, it might actually help him.

BTW, athiesm is not a religion. Honestly, have you ever even studied logic?

Let's give it a rest so it doesn't get moved or locked. k?

Unless the person you are praying for is present (even if they are, it's debatable), your "expression of love and support" likely won't do them any good. Wikipedia article on the efficacy of prayer. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficacy_of_prayer)



Sure, and throwing salt over your shoulder in their name can't hurt either, right?



Sounds like you are the one lacking objectivity. Seems like you are insistent that practicing your religion not only can't hurt the poor fellow, it might actually help him.

BTW, athiesm is not a religion. Honestly, have you ever even studied logic?

Go away.

Go away.

Don't like? Change the channel.

I'm sorry that my original expression of concern resulted in these diatribes. I am so sorry.

I really wish this young man all the best and I hope he gets well soon.

I hope the guy can return to full health.

--Steve

Good thing those trees and rocks helped slow him down!

/sarcasm

I'm glad he's able to move his limbs, must mean his spinal cord is ok. I bet we'll see him back on the bike in 4 months or less. If healing from a 100+ foot fall is anything like recovering from a 10,000' mountain stage I think he'll recover just fine.

I'm glad he's able to move his limbs, must mean his spinal cord is ok. I bet we'll see him back on the bike in 4 months or less. If healing from a 100+ foot fall is anything like recovering from a 10,000' mountain stage I think he'll recover just fine.

Yeah, as long as the wiring is intact the rest will usually heal well enough.

Can you imagine his thoughts as he was realizing what was happening. How frightening...

Seems like you are insistent that practicing your religion not only can't hurt the poor fellow, it might actually help him.

No, I clearly stated to put religion to the side. You need to work on reading comprehension (American education, sigh). I'm saying that when his mother visits him in the hospital and tells him that she read on the internet that people around the world are praying for him, he might feel better.


BTW, athiesm is not a religion. Honestly, have you ever even studied logic?

There is not a clear definition on this. Sounds like if you want it to be, it can be ([QUOTE=MitchellH;8932863]).

No, I clearly stated to put religion to the side. You need to work on reading comprehension (American education, sigh). I'm saying that when his mother visits him in the hospital and tells him that she read on the internet that people around the world are praying for him, he might feel better.



There is not a clear definition on this. Sounds like if you want it to be, it can be ([QUOTE=MitchellH;8932863]).

Fail. You cannot both state that you are putting religion aside and in the same breath ask for prayers on behalf of someone. Talk about a failure of comprehension. We're back to your issues with logic.

Might feel better. might not. Try throwing some salt over your shoulder. Might help. Can't hurt, right?

A lack of a belief in supernatural beings does not constitute a religion, sorry.

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen Roberts

So put the religion to the side. Do you have any doubts that the love and support of family, friends, community, etc. can impact a person's psychology? Any difficulty for you making the connection from phsychology to medical outcomes?

If prayer is an expression of love and support, why wouldn't it help? I'm not talking about some magical transformation of injured cells, but more helping to keep the chin up for the fight, lower blood pressure, less energy wasted on psych issues, etc.

Obviously a blind reliance on prayer as a substitute for any medical influence is ridiculous, but it really might help, and certainly won't hurt.

Shouting from the rooftops that you're atheist is fine, but try to stay objective and not let your religion get in the way of logic.



So glad to hear that Horrillo is out of the coma.

And wr, I would argue that God does not have a monopoly on love (nor morality). To suggest otherwise is to conclude that those who don't believe in a God are incapable of love.

Thank you. (http://www.velonews.com/article/92165/rabobank-s-pedro-horrillo-is-brought-out-of-his-coma-no)

Thank God, thanks to the doctors and medical professionals and the rescue people who retrieved him from the ravine. At times like this, it's good to be grateful. It's a bad time to bicker over something like religion.

So put the religion to the side. Do you have any doubts that the love and support of family, friends, community, etc. can impact a person's psychology? Any difficulty for you making the connection from phsychology to medical outcomes?

If prayer is an expression of love and support, why wouldn't it help? I'm not talking about some magical transformation of injured cells, but more helping to keep the chin up for the fight, lower blood pressure, less energy wasted on psych issues, etc.

Obviously a blind reliance on prayer as a substitute for any medical influence is ridiculous, but it really might help, and certainly won't hurt.

Shouting from the rooftops that you're atheist is fine, but try to stay objective and not let your religion get in the way of logic.

i'm a total heathen but whatever works, works. belief in a higher power and yes prayer works for many people...in this case not just the afflicted but also loved ones and well wishers.

we're talking about a guy here who is fighting for his life. i think if you don't have anything positive to say you should stick a sock in it because this isn't about you or what you believe.

ed rader

Mitchell, seriously. Not the time, nor the place...

I'm glad he seems to be doing better. The road to recovery's going to be pretty tough, but given what he does for a living, I'm pretty sure he's up for a challenge. Smart guy too, majored in philosophy in college.

We're back to your issues with logic.

Might feel better. might not. Try throwing some salt over your shoulder. Might help. Can't hurt, right?



If I were racked up like this young man, if someone told me that someone was spinning prayer wheels in Tibet or throwing salt over their shoulder in Albania on my behalf, I'd welcome it. I certainly wouldn't get myself worked up in a hateful lather about it.

FWIW, I suspect this fellow wasn't thinking much about anything on the way down. The trauma victims I've talked to often have an amazing lack of memory for traumatic events until they wake up a week or three later.

It's an amazing evolutionary adaptation, isn't it?

should def. drop the religious talk...everyone knows its a never ending discussion. do what you think works and keep it to yourself.

glad to hear he is out of the coma and hope recovery goes well.

That's what I call a ravine.

Yeah, it's not exactly like riding around in a circle in a parking lot or a park for an hour, is it?

Did I get lost? Is this still the racing forum?

If I were racked up like this young man, if someone told me that someone was spinning prayer wheels in Tibet or throwing salt over their shoulder in Albania on my behalf, I'd welcome it. I certainly wouldn't get myself worked up in a hateful lather about it.

FWIW, I suspect this fellow wasn't thinking much about anything on the way down. The trauma victims I've talked to often have an amazing lack of memory for traumatic events until they wake up a week or three later.

It's an amazing evolutionary adaptation, isn't it?

Yeah, all I remember from my wreck is an "oh sh1t, this is going to hurt" feeling, and then lights out. Apparently, I was talking and shouting out phone numbers after I fell, but I have no real memory of it. I did get pissed at the EMT's for cutting off my full zip jersey though, then I passed out again haha.

Yeah, it's not exactly like riding around in a circle in a parking lot or a park for an hour, is it?

Did I get lost? Is this still the racing forum?

Yes, with some P&R misfits thrown in for some reason...

Mitchell, seriously. Not the time, nor the place...

You pick your spots and I'll pick mine. This is the interweb, if there was a place for "it", this is definitely it...

You pick your spots and I'll pick mine. This is the interweb, if there was a place for "it", this is definitely it...

incorrect. again.

You pick your spots and I'll pick mine. This is the interweb, if there was a place for "it", this is definitely it...

http://www.travelingspotlight.com/images/brat.jpg

Fail. You cannot both state that you are putting religion aside and in the same breath ask for prayers on behalf of someone. Talk about a failure of comprehension. We're back to your issues with logic.


Can you quote my post where I asked someone to pray?

Reading is fundamental.

Yeah.

M a y b e _i f _I _t y p e _s l o w e r ?


Might feel better. might not. Try throwing some salt over your shoulder. Might help. Can't hurt, right?

Yeah, so it's 50/50 then, right? :rolleyes:



A lack of a belief in supernatural beings does not constitute a religion, sorry.

No apology needed here.


So glad to hear that Horrillo is out of the coma.

+1


And wr, I would argue that God does not have a monopoly on love (nor morality). To suggest otherwise is to conclude that those who don't believe in a God are incapable of love.

I'm going to need another quote for this... Where did I remotely suggest either of these two points? I would never suggest or believe either.


i'm a total heathen but whatever works, works. belief in a higher power and yes prayer works for many people...in this case not just the afflicted but also loved ones and well wishers.

we're talking about a guy here who is fighting for his life. i think if you don't have anything positive to say you should stick a sock in it because this isn't about you or what you believe.

ed rader

+1

I haven't even stated that I pray or go to church, or worship anything in this thread, but a couple posters are getting their panties in a bunch because I suggested that it might be comforting to hear that people are praying for you.

The HORROR!

It is fun to pick on the lack of reading comprehension though.