"The 33"-Road Bike Racing - Giro d'Italia Ladies Race and Lance

Ok, I'ved watched every stage so far. I liked to watch Lance race for a variety of reasons
The "protest" lead by Lance has really p'ssed me off. I dont think Ill be so interested any longer

imho
Lance your are a big baby stfu and htfu
The race is 100 years old. Who do you think you are?
People get hurt racing. Its unfortunate. If you are afraid or have lost your nerve take up golf or ride slower
Maybe you should be banned from racing for a period of time after that stunt.


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This circuit required explosive bursts. It required riders to get their butts up off the seats of their bikes, and some riders who are not so young anymore apparently don't feel like doing that," Zomegnan told the Associated Press. "Instead, it seems like their legs have become shorter and their tongues longer."

When asked if he was referring to Lance Armstrong, Zomegnan refused to specifically name the rider who the race had invested so heavily in attracting as the culprit. "I never name people who have disappointed me, just like I don't name girlfriends that have snubbed me."

- CyclingNews.com
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Ok, I'ved watched every stage so far. I liked to watch Lance race for a variety of reasons
The "protest" lead by Lance has really p'ssed me off. I dont think Ill be so interested any longer

Good riddance, IgnorantRich.

I doubt Lance was the only one who thought the circuit was dangerous. Clearly DiLuca and his whole team felt the same way. And clearly the rest of the peloton felt the same way as they all went along with the plan. Lance is an easy target, and you're lazy.

I usually enjoy pointing out any of Lance's dubious actions, but I have not one problem with what he did complaining about the stage.

One of the big problems was right before the stage started the Inter Milan AC team was driving all through the area in an open air bus celebrating thier Italian League victory causing a lot of the course to be cleared in a haphazard manner.

I usually enjoy pointing out any of Lance's dubious actions, but I have not one problem with what he did complaining about the stage.

One of the big problems was right before the stage started the Inter Milan AC team was driving all through the area in an open air bus celebrating thier Italian League victory causing a lot of the course to be cleared in a haphazard manner.

plus there were cars parked on the course. and vehicular traffic traveling in the opposite direction of the peloton, with only police tape (as far as I could tell from the video) separating the oncoming vehicles from the riders.

plus there were cars parked on the course. and vehicular traffic traveling in the opposite direction of the peloton, with only police tape (as far as I could tell from the video) separating the oncoming vehicles from the riders.

The cars were a result of the city celebrating Their soccer team's triumph. Pretty bad planning on Inter Milan's players behalf.

pretty bad planning on everyone's behalf.

aren't there already at least three threads talking about the Giro peloton's "manhood"

It seemed a bit odd that the course was too dangerous to race, yet they did end up racing anyway. However, that shot of the riders coming out of the corner into parallel trolley tracks made me glad it wasn't raining

The people who wanted to race, raced.

Everyone else sat up and finished a handful of minutes after Cavendish.

This was possible as the race was neutralized for GC purposes.

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The "protest" lead by Lance has really p'ssed me off. ...

imho
Lance your are a big baby stfu and htfu
The race is 100 years old. Who do you think you are?
People get hurt racing. Its unfortunate. If you are afraid or have lost your nerve take up golf or ride slower
Maybe you should be banned from racing for a period of time after that stunt.



You, sir, are an idiot. When you finally get good enough to race in the Giro de Italia, then you have the right to a say in the action.

Nobody really cares if you watch or not, BTW. Just say'n. And, yes, people get hurt racing, it's unfortunate, but cycling is not a gladiator sport. Getting hurt is to be avoided if at all possible. My lord... the stupid fan(atic)s who think they own the race. :rolleyes:

Who really thinks that Lance carries enough weight among the riders in the peloton to declare a protest and force others to follow? Or thinks that his intellectual powers of persuasion are too great to overcome?

There was obviously a general agreement to protest... there was some disagreement, but not enough disagreement to over-ride the "majority" (however that plays itself out in the peloton's power structure). Lance may have been an instigator, but he did nothing on his own.

With all of the testosterone driven athletes, I don't think there has ever been anyone in the peloton with the unilateral power to declare a protest.

Or maybe Lance threatened to throw a pump into the front wheel of anyone who refused to protest... oh wait, they don't carry pumps any more.

The people who wanted to race, raced.

Everyone else sat up and finished a handful of minutes after Cavendish.

This was possible as the race was neutralized for GC purposes.

Good point. I had forgotten that part in my haste.

You, sir, are an idiot. When you finally get good enough to race in the Giro de Italia, then you have the right to a say in the action.

Nobody really cares if you watch or not, BTW. Just say'n. And, yes, people get hurt racing, it's unfortunate, but cycling is not a gladiator sport. Getting hurt is to be avoided if at all possible. My lord... the stupid fan(atic)s who think they own the race. :rolleyes:

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Nice...

why don't you try responding to one of the substantive posts?

Ok, I'ved watched every stage so far. I liked to watch Lance race for a variety of reasons
The "protest" lead by Lance has really p'ssed me off. I dont think Ill be so interested any longer

imho
Lance your are a big baby stfu and htfu
The race is 100 years old. Who do you think you are?
People get hurt racing. Its unfortunate. If you are afraid or have lost your nerve take up golf or ride slower
Maybe you should be banned from racing for a period of time after that stunt.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
This circuit required explosive bursts. It required riders to get their butts up off the seats of their bikes, and some riders who are not so young anymore apparently don't feel like doing that," Zomegnan told the Associated Press. "Instead, it seems like their legs have become shorter and their tongues longer."

When asked if he was referring to Lance Armstrong, Zomegnan refused to specifically name the rider who the race had invested so heavily in attracting as the culprit. "I never name people who have disappointed me, just like I don't name girlfriends that have snubbed me."

- CyclingNews.com
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the question i have is would the stage have been protested if horrilo hadn't crashed the day before? i think not.

lance certainly fancies himseld the big chingon and we've seen a couple of instances of him receiving preferential treatment this year. well the world is in recession and he does generate interest and income.

all in all armstrong has made racing more exciting this year. i know i'm following more closely....

ed rader

Good riddance, IgnorantRich.

I doubt Lance was the only one who thought the circuit was dangerous. Clearly DiLuca and his whole team felt the same way. And clearly the rest of the peloton felt the same way as they all went along with the plan. Lance is an easy target, and you're lazy.

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I must have been watching a different race, because I saw D. Diuca, the Maglia Rosa, speaking to the crowd in Milan. The action seemed to have the full support of 99% of the peloton.

Whether or not some flyover boy moron who gets his jollies posting food pics on BF watches the Giro seems rather irrelevant.

I must have been watching a different race, because I saw D. Diuca, the Maglia Rosa, speaking to the crowd in Milan. The action seemed to have the full support of 99% of the peloton.

Whether or not some flyover boy moron who gets his jollies posting food pics on BF watches the Giro seems rather irrelevant.

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why don't you try responding to one of the substantive posts?

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I dont have much more to add at this time than what I first posted.

calm down bd....the world's not coming to an end

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They had a 90° bend into a street with tramlines, cars parked on the road and more tramlines parallel and 200m from the finish.

Yeah, those guys should just HTFU :rolleyes:

calm down bd....the world's not coming to an end

Seems like you know as much about anxiety as you do bike racing. See below for a proper post that would have been deserving of your above reply:

JESUS ****ING CHRIST, RICH. STAY ON THE ****ING TOPIC AND STOP IGNORING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO ENGAGE YOU. WHAT ARE YOU, A ****ING TROLL? RYANF REINCARNATED? THE ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING OF R600 AND BANANATUGGER? WHAT. THE. ****. YES, RICH, KEEP SATIATING THE APPETITES OF THOSE WHO BERATE YOU - BOTH FIGURATIVELY WITH THOSE WORN OUT DISPLAYS OF "FOODTOGRAPHY" AND FIGURATIVELY WITH YOUR INCESSANT REPLIES. JESUS H CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



see the difference?

now if you had listed some medicines that could treat OCD.......

I'm on the fence with this one. Odds are, without the serious crash beforehand, the matter never would've blossomed into the protest.

OTOH, I don't think a domestic amateur crit would've been allowed with those course conditions. They were ridiculous.

And yeah, part of me is thinking lance might be more mouth than legs, but I can't dismiss a little treachery either. Fact is I'm counting on it.


I sense a thread lock...

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Meaning

An expression of disdain, along the same lines as 'get lost', 'go and play in the traffic', etc.

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This is sometimes used with the intention of meaning 'go and beat/whack sand' - with the back of a shovel or similar. That's not the original meaning though, as is made clear from the longer and less-often used version of the phrase - 'go pound sand up your ###'.

The phrase originated in the US and although common there, especially the midwest states, it isn't frequently heard in other countries.

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"Well, you can all go pound salt up your ###, because come Aug. 15, we're going to have a festival!"

There's also a less vulgar version, 'go pound sand in your ears'.

Here's an entry from the Southeast Economist, Chicago, 1948:

"From her store of memories Mrs. Mary R. Stuart of Harvard Ave, perpetrator of this column of sayings of wisecracks popular in the 'Oh yeah?' era, recalls that 'go pound sand in your ears' meant to soft-pedal the noise."

Seems like you know as much about anxiety as you do bike racing. See below for a proper post that would have been deserving of your above reply:

JESUS ****ING CHRIST, RICH. STAY ON THE ****ING TOPIC AND STOP IGNORING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO ENGAGE YOU. WHAT ARE YOU, A ****ING TROLL? RYANF REINCARNATED? THE ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING OF R600 AND BANANATUGGER? WHAT. THE. ****. YES, RICH, KEEP SATIATING THE APPETITES OF THOSE WHO BERATE YOU - BOTH FIGURATIVELY WITH THOSE WORN OUT DISPLAYS OF "FOODTOGRAPHY" AND FIGURATIVELY WITH YOUR INCESSANT REPLIES. JESUS H CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



see the difference?

now if you had listed some medicines that could treat OCD.......



OCD sucks....

Gee, I don't know, looked to me like there where several big names in that front line. On a circuit with cars both uncontrolled and moving, as well as parked in haphazard manners, together with several rail lines crossing at acute angles, some nearly parallel to the traveled direction on some corners...I think I will let the riders decide for themselves.

This is a pretty rare occurrence, there may have been some carry over from a couple of the previous stages, but I doubt the teams are going to all complain if it were not so.

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here's another expression for you rich.

puck off, back to your food forums, where you belong. :thumb:

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you are a friggin moron rich.

if the top athletes (bike/motorcycle/car) racing think it is too dicey of conditions to race then it should be up to them to make the call. after all it is *their* necks on the line and not yours.

you are a friggin moron rich.

Where is the love.....on BF Road Bike Racing ?

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Where is the love.....on BF Road Bike Racing ?

Honestly?

It's a club/fraternity. And you haven't passed initiation.

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bdcheung, Rich: "arguing on the internet is like..."

bdcheung, Rich: "arguing on the internet is like..."

riding a trainer. you work and work and work, but never actually get anywhere.

bdcheung, Rich: "arguing on the internet is like..."

...sleeping with your sister. Sure she has a great body but in the end it is just wrong.

Is that the one? :p

I think a combination of both, sleeping with your sister WHILE riding the trainer...

Anyhow to get back on topic.... What the riders, led by Lance, did (imho) was done the wrong way and the fans paid for it. (bad, very bad thing to do) There are formal channels in most racing organizations for bringing safety related issues to the attention of the chief of the organization.

I worked corners (corner worker: the people in white you see with the flags on each corner of a race track; typically the first responders) at most of the F1 Grand Prix in Detroit, many seasons at Waterford Hills and the SCCA Run-Offs at Road Atlanta. I also raced a sports car and a GP motorcycle as an amateur. I well aware of driver/rider safety.

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Anyhow to get back on topic.... What the riders, led by Lance, did (imho) was done the wrong way and the fans paid for it. (bad, very bad thing to do) There are formal channels in most racing organizations for bringing safety related issues to the attention of the chief of the organization.

I worked corners (corner worker: the people in white you see with the flags on each corner of a race track; typically the first responders) at most of the F1 Grand Prix in Detroit and many years at Waterford Hills and the SCCA Run-Offs at Road Atlanta. I well aware of driver/rider safety.

I thought they went back and spoke to the commissaire...

Anyhow to get back on topic.... What the riders, led by Lance, did (imho) was done the wrong way and the fans paid for it. (bad, very bad thing to do) There are formal channels in most racing organizations for bringing safety related issues to the attention of the chief of the organization.

key phrase. Not terribly humble though.


I worked corners (corner worker: the people in white you see with the flags on each corner of a race track; typically the first responders) at most of the F1 Grand Prix in Detroit, many seasons at Waterford Hills and the SCCA Run-Offs at Road Atlanta. I well aware of driver/rider safety.

not relevant.

In summary, you are pissed that you didn't see your spectacle. Cry me a river. :cry:

EDIT (after your edit): Are you saying that you have never raced a bicycle? You know, the kind that has drop handle bars that you pedal?

I thought they went back and spoke to the commissaire...

The way Lance tells it, it was the commissaire who made the call independent of both the riders and the organizers. The pack had already agreed to neutralize. That was just group dynamics, not anything led by Lance.

About as formal a channel as one can get.

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The way Lance tells it, it was the commissaire who made the call independent of both the riders and the organizers. The pack had already agreed to neutralize. That was just group dynamics, not anything led by Lance.

Yup.

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Can you not see this from the riders perspective rich? They have all these large entities breathing down their necks, to get a result, to animate the race, but it's extremely unfair to ask these guys who put in so much hard work, to risk their lives on a course which wasn't even properly designed. I mean, they didn't even move the parked cars!! they do that at my amateur crit in the small town of santa cruz. Not to mention tram lines traveling in the same direction as the riders, and even some at the finish??? it's like the race organizer is saying "you spandex wearing fools do as I say because I am the big man in charge!" screw him, and I'm these guys biggest fan, and I fully support them protesting some BS course that threatens their health and livelihoods.

Regarding the dangerous nature of the course, Gilberto Simoni (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2009/may09/may19news2) noted that, "Fourteen riders broke their wheels on the first lap [of the Milan circuit]. We are at the Tour of Italy, not in Paris-Roubaix. We all agreed [to neutralize the stage]."