Bicycle Mechanics - My lockring tool is stuck in my lockring!
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05-29-09, 11:39 AM
I just moved my veloce cassette from my old wheels (miche hubs) to my fulcrums. I also transferred over the miche lockring seeing as the fulcrums didn't come with a lockring and it seems to fit fine. All good, but I can't get my lockring tool out of my lockring. Even if I take them both off the hub again, it doesn't want to shift an inch. See photos:
Any help much appreciated!
05-29-09, 12:05 PM
Can you use a combination of two wooden shims/spacers (to avoid damaging the cassette) and a couple of screwdrivers to pry it out?
You could use a screwdriver handle, first, tapping it around the edges to see if you can loosen it from whichever edge is stuck.
05-29-09, 12:38 PM
It seems to have slipped in past the splines that actually turn the lock ring.
Try and see if you can remove the lock ring and tool from the hub. While the tool is loose see if you can twist the lock ring to line it back up.
Next time don't push it in so far - mybe you new hub is deeper at the freewheel end of the hub.
05-29-09, 12:50 PM
If the tool is truly stuck like you described, it's not going to go anywhere until it comes loose, then it'll move easy. So you don't need to worry about ruining the splines inside the lockring. What you do need to worry about is bending something in the removal process or rounding off the hex end of the tool. Two options from where I see it - 1) Grab the tool with the biggest pair of locking pliers you can get your hands on, then pull straight out with both hands as hard as you can. This will be the fastest and simplest, but might end with a scratched tool and a pair of large pliers flying towards your face if it slips. 2) Take the cassette back off the wheel if you can, then pound the tool out of the lockring from the backside with a very large screwdriver, tapered piece of pipe, or something like that.
edit: looked at the pics again and this is going to be tricky. You need something solid that'll support the cassette/lockring, but let the tool pass through. Since the lockring is so small, you might have to find something that'll fit (loosely) around the head of the tool between the hex end and the lockring in that small space. BB wrench, cone wrench, something like that. Then you can put the supporting piece on the vise with the lockring tool dangling below the jaws, so that when you give the tool a whack from the backside the force goes into moving the tool and not the cassette.
There's not going to be a nice way to get this fixed. It'll come out, but try not to bend anything important in the process.
05-29-09, 01:11 PM
I would suggest spraying it heavily with a good Teflon lube. Letting that work in for a while, then use the large pliers/vice-grips to rock and twist it free. You should have the wheel on the bike - or something to hold it steady - to do this. But spray (or drizzle) the oil with the wheel on it's side so the oil gets in deep.
05-29-09, 02:01 PM
a good wd40ing and let it sit for a while. Then wipe off and use a little heat on your lock ring. Once of be sure that there is no wd40 left on cassette etc.
Just a suggestion.
05-29-09, 02:49 PM
I may not be following here. Are you saying that you can remove the lockring from the hub and the tool is still stuck to it. So backwards pressure, while tightened, does nothing?
Take the ring/tool off, find a short piece of PVC that barely clears the tool. Put the PVC on the table, flip the ring/tool over and insert, and smack the tool from the bottom. Install lockring with the right sized tool.
05-29-09, 03:34 PM
The Shimano freewheel tool will fit into a lockring. But not as well as the Shimano lockring tool.
05-29-09, 09:48 PM
Crown race removal tool
Locked under the hex ridge to pull the lockring tool straight up and off the cassette.
05-30-09, 02:22 AM
Sweet guys, thanks for all your help. I could get the lockring and tool of the hub fine. So I did that and then used a screwdriver to prise the tool most of the way out of the lockring, using the screwdriver as a sort of lever. Then put the lockring back on and tightened it up and took the tool out fine.
Just out of interest, is the campy lockring tool the right one for my miche lockring?
The fit seemed really tight (normal?) and I found this thread:
where the author suggests that the shimano tool is a better fit
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