"The 33"-Road Bike Racing - That Guy...

there's this one guy, well maybe there's a few, but this one guy... drives me mad.

he's got a great eye for what's happening during a race. almost never misses the break. even worse - his jump. i've been flicked by him more times than i can remember. every time i'm in a race with him, i know that the only chance i have of beating him is by getting in a break. he's also squirrely as hell.

just found out that he was a former dutch amateur champion (beating michel zanoli, amongst others).

that's a relief.


anyone else have a similar nemesis?

Everyone in a cat4 race is my nemesis now. Especially since about 40 of them beat me to the finish line first, all the time.

But enough bla bla, I'm out for a nice 40 degree F ride. Summer my ass.

Last year, GWHBNAH

Ex, I thought you WERE "that guy"

yes. there's a guy around here in the masters scene, not as credentialed as GWBNAF or your dutch boy, but he's strong and extremely sloppy. He's been the instigator of two of the stupidest crashes I've ever witnessed - one where he ran into the tower at the s/f at kelly cup (it wasnt on the course, it was a good 3 feet off the course) and another where he ran into a cone, knocked it onto the course, then next lap ran into the same cone and crashed. I hate being anywhere near him, but he seems to find the podium often enough that I sometimes need to be.

The Knave.

We've got a guy here who has amassed nearly 100 upgrade points and won't leave because he wants to be the Austin Regional Texas Cup Road Race Champion...the guys an ex-tri guy and is a bit scary to be around. I've beat him on a couple of occasions and it's nice...unfortunately he's also cost me some good finishes with is poor bike handling...chopping wheels and sketchy riding.

That Guy is a teammate and friend of mine. We ride together a lot and are very well matched in terms of strength, yet he consistently gets better results than I do. He's always in the right place at the right time and just a bit fresher or stronger and slips away in a late breakaway. He's got a few W's and a few more podiums to show for it.

We've got a guy here who has amassed nearly 100 upgrade points and won't leave because he wants to be the Austin Regional Texas Cup Road Race Champion...the guys an ex-tri guy and is a bit scary to be around. I've beat him on a couple of occasions and it's nice...unfortunately he's also cost me some good finishes with is poor bike handling...chopping wheels and sketchy riding.

Come on El Diablo, I aint never seen you beat him, stop spreading lies around on the internet, its a place for the truth only!
Hey you know his bike handling is getting better, I actually get within 3 or 4 bike lengths of him sometimes.
Is the game on tonight? Should be fun 3rd week of the mini series.

For me, right now, it's a team mate.

He's a few years younger than me (most are) and he has a killer pop.

If it comes down to a sprint the only way I can beat him is if the sprint starts about 800m out or if there are a ton of attacks in the last 2 or 3 kms.

The only way I can really beat him is to get into a break. This is always my preference anyway. And, if it comes down to the last 5km and we're in the same group, I'm going to lead the guy out because we'll most likely crush anyone else there.

It's a pretty wierd situation to be in.

At the last RR I wanted to do something with about 60km to go but he slipped of the front (marking a guy) and I was forced to block for him because they made it across to the break. The good thing is he won but I ended up getting mangled in the sprint and managed a 5th.

I really wanted that one, too.

I guess it's better to be racing with him than against him...:rolleyes:

Come on El Diablo, I aint never seen you beat him, stop spreading lies around on the internet, its a place for the truth only!
Hey you know his bike handling is getting better, I actually get within 3 or 4 bike lengths of him sometimes.
Is the game on tonight? Should be fun 3rd week of the mini series.

I've beat him I'll dig up the results if you need me to. It's on tonight...bring your A game...it's gonna be fast.

I had a "that guy", but he upgraded so fast I won't be racing with him for a while, if ever again.

I wish I had a jump.

There's a guy who races the Tuesday Night Worlds around here. Not my nemesis, but it's fun to watch him race in the P/1/2 group. He's had his ups and downs, been fighting some demons but theory is he's cleaned up and is making a go at getting back into the pro ranks. He's won the last few Tuesday nighters except this week's, when he misjudged someone else's jump, got hemmed in and ended up third.

It's been very entertaining to watch him as he gets stronger and messes with the locals. Pretty sure some of the stuff the OP mentioned is going on in the group, except this guy doesn't seem squirrely.

I've beat him I'll dig up the results if you need me to. It's on tonight...bring your A game...it's gonna be fast.

I don't have an "A" game, but my "D" game will be in full effect. If you ride at the back you can pace me around!

We've got a guy here who has amassed nearly 100 upgrade points and won't leave because he wants to be the Austin Regional Texas Cup Road Race Champion...the guys an ex-tri guy and is a bit scary to be around. I've beat him on a couple of occasions and it's nice...unfortunately he's also cost me some good finishes with is poor bike handling...chopping wheels and sketchy riding.

Jansen? He's getting a lot better and part of the reason he's staying in the 4's is to get more experience before moving into the 3's. Also, on the times you beat him was he trying to win? He works for other team members a lot. He's helped set up the lead out train on numerous occasions. He's a good guy and a good teammate. There are guys certainly waaaay worse than him in a pack out there too.

I've beat him I'll dig up the results if you need me to. It's on tonight...bring your A game...it's gonna be fast.

Dammit - got a work thing tonight. This crit is shaping up to be fun. ;) I've got an A game and the course they're running tonight is well suited for me.

I don't have an "A" game, but my "D" game will be in full effect. If you ride at the back you can pace me around!


No my hob mang. I'll be up front killing myself to keep Robbie, College and the Benzonator in check and helping my boyz get OTF...by mid race the selection should be made (I won't be in it)...I forgot add to the mix two kilo killers..Waterrockes and Todd B...ohhhhh the pain to be dealt by these two wheeled assassins...

Just about every fast masters racer in Austin is going be in this one tonight...

Jansen? He's getting a lot better and part of the reason he's staying in the 4's is to get more experience before moving into the 3's. Also, on the times you beat him was he trying to win? He works for other team members a lot. He's helped set up the lead out train on numerous occasions. He's a good guy and a good teammate. There are guys certainly waaaay worse than him in a pack out there too.

Right.

The guys fast no doubt...I'm sure he's a wonderful human being...possibly the kind of guy I'd want my daughter to marry some day...he still isn't the kind of guy I like to go bar to bar with.

Dammit - got a work thing tonight. This crit is shaping up to be fun. ;) I've got an A game and the course they're running tonight is well suited for me.

Would love to have your "A" in the game...work?...you are self employed...

I have a "that guy" on my team. He just started racing on the road, and while I've always been regarded as the sprinter in our group, I have a feeling I'm going to be doing the leading out when he becomes more experienced and gets his upgrade. He's on this forum, too.
I can't count the number of times I've anticipated his jump but was still left thinking "HFS!" after having to TT back onto his wheel. It's not fair.

I have a "that guy" on my team. He just started racing on the road, and while I've always been regarded as the sprinter in our group, I have a feeling I'm going to be doing the leading out when he becomes more experienced and gets his upgrade. He's on this forum, too.
I can't count the number of times I've anticipated his jump but was still left thinking "HFS!" after having to TT back onto his wheel. It's not fair.

Who?

Would love to have your "A" in the game...work?...you are self employed...

Austin Photographers meeting at a gallery downtown from 6pm -8pm. Two weeks in a row something has come up. Bummed.

Chuck will have 2 races in his legs by the 35+ tonight. Hope some of our guys save it for that particular race. Most of us like to do 2 or more races a night though.

Who?

i think he's talking about andrew.

Austin Photographers meeting at a gallery downtown from 6pm -8pm. Two weeks in a row something has come up. Bummed.

Chuck will have 2 races in his legs by the 35+ tonight. Hope some of our guys save it for that particular race. Most of us like to do 2 or more races a night though.

Doesn't sound to pressing...if all the parties show up tonight as advertised this will be better than the States on Sat.

I had a guy on our 3's team when I was on it that was a cat 1 on the track. Needless to say if the race came down to a sprint, I lead him out. Most races come down to sprints and there were a number where I felt like I could have had a chance to win, but had to work for him.

Jansen? He's getting a lot better and part of the reason he's staying in the 4's is to get more experience before moving into the 3's. Also, on the times you beat him was he trying to win? He works for other team members a lot. He's helped set up the lead out train on numerous occasions. He's a good guy and a good teammate. There are guys certainly waaaay worse than him in a pack out there too.

Which was the point of my original post...the guy wins 80% of his races the rest he's always top ten...he's made his point in the 4's.

Summer my ass.
It's still Spring.

Doesn't sound to pressing...if all the parties show up tonight as advertised this will be better than the States on Sat.

It's not hugely pressing but they only happen once a month and this is my first one - ya'll have fun without me. Next time though. ;)

Dammit - got a work thing tonight. This crit is shaping up to be fun. ;) I've got an A game and the course they're running tonight is well suited for me.

Hope to see ya on Saturday...online reg closes tonight at 11pm :-)

Doesn't sound to pressing...if all the parties show up tonight as advertised this will be better than the States on Sat.

I gotta say that I was very tempted to race in it tonight just to say that I had -- you know, just happy to be there kind of thing -- but, I'm keeping my focus on Saturday...I'll be there watching tonight...

Which was the point of my original post...the guy wins 80% of his races the rest he's always top ten...he's made his point in the 4's.

So tonight he wins the 3/4 and wins the 4/5 and finishes 5th in the 35+ Masters. I guess your point is validated.
Of course I sure like him on my team and you did fail to mention the firepower you guys brought out tonight, I mean come on, it looked like a Pro team out there tonight. Where did you guys park the team bus?

By the way El Diablo, it was fun racing with you and your team was fantastic to chase around tonight.

lol - Mark won back to back? Ok, we need to talk to him about upgrading... ;)

lol - Mark won back to back? Ok, we need to talk to him about upgrading... ;)


Duh

So tonight he wins the 3/4 and wins the 4/5 and finishes 5th in the 35+ Masters. I guess your point is validated.
Of course I sure like him on my team and you did fail to mention the firepower you guys brought out tonight, I mean come on, it looked like a Pro team out there tonight. Where did you guys park the team bus?

By the way El Diablo, it was fun racing with you and your team was fantastic to chase around tonight.

Sure I did, hey fire power or not the final break had two of our guys and two of yours. Just that our two guys were better sprinters ;). Waterrockets was 100m clear at the end and it looked like Jonathan just pipped Benz for second but was too close to be sure.

Yeah that was a really fun race too bad Rav wussied out ;)

No I had good time with the meeting I went too and am really glad I went. If I want to race the Driveway I can do it twice in the next 7 days. ;)

Sure I did, hey fire power or not the final break had two of our guys and two of yours. Just that our two guys were better sprinters ;). Waterrockets was 100m clear at the end and it looked like Jonathan just pipped Benz for second but was too close to be sure.

Yeah that was a really fun race too bad Rav wussied out ;)

He would have just gotten in the way! Of me that is.

No I had good time with the meeting I went too and am really glad I went. If I want to race the Driveway I can do it twice in the next 7 days. ;)

So we'll see you on Saturday in your kit and on your bike, right :) ? C'mon!!!!!

He would have just gotten in the way! Of me that is.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

He would have just gotten in the way! Of me that is.

Chuck, me and everyone else has learned to stay out of your way in the feed zone. Sheesh.

"that guy" was only a 4 for like a month; upgraded, and now he's a 3 with at least 10 points. It happens pretty fast: "that guy" or "those guys" start disappearing to the higher cats and I need to figure out who "that guy" is all over again...I need to race more, then I wouldn't be in such a pickle.

Late June and July, I want to be "that guy"--I'm getting there, slowly.

Here in BC if you have the points you are upgraded, you don't have a choice. Is it different in Texas?

vjp

he's also squirrely as hell.

Expand on "squirrely" please. Is that a good or bad thing to acquire as a weapon against others in a race? A deliberate tactic to disturb and distract those around him?