Fifty Plus (50+) - So, any value??

So, any value??

My brother-in-law gave this to me today. Not being an older bike aficianado, I have absolutely no idea if it has any value or is it another older 10 speed.

Peugeot about 1968??

http://ourwebs.info/peugeot1.jpg
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I doubt it has any collector value.

It certainly looks pristine. It's kind of hard to tell from the pictures but I don't see any obvious signs of dry rot on the tires or brake hoods. That's kind of unusual on a bike that old. I wish you had shown the right side of the bike. Does it have Simplex derailleurs?

I doubt it has any collector value.

It certainly looks pristine. It's kind of hard to tell from the pictures but I don't see any obvious signs of dry rot on the tires or brake hoods. That's kind of unusual on a bike that old. I wish you had shown the right side of the bike. Does it have Simplex derailleurs?


Yes, Simplex

http://ourwebs.info/peugeot4.jpg

Dnvr, I'm sure the folks in C&V can give you a good answer.

Dnvr, I'm sure the folks in C&V can give you a good answer.

Hmm!!

Sort of afraid to venture there.

Neophyte and all that.

Hmm!!

Sort of afraid to venture there.

Neophyte and all that.

I'm thinking that posting in C&V would be a real good idea. To me the interesting thing about this bike is how pristine, original and complete it appears to be. That's pretty unusual for a 40 year old bike.

The worst they can do is laugh at you and we're likely to do that to you here.

Looks like it has one of those French kickstands. Be careful with that.

I had two Peugeot's back then. They were both sweet rides. One disappeared in France, the other in Hawaii. Your's looks like U08 as well. Careful, if you ride it you may like it.

Here's the last pic I have of one, taken the last day I saw it.
http://www.pointhappy.com/gcf/VENICE.JPG

I had two Peugeot's back then. They were both sweet rides. Your's looks like U08 as well. Careful; if you ride it you may like it.

Being as one tire is flat, I haven't had a chance to try it out. The bars seem a bit narrow - I usually take a 44

I agree it's probably a UO8. I think Peugeot made three popular bikes in those days. The AO8 was the cheap version, about $105 when I bought mine in college. Next step up was the UO8, very similar but with alum rims instead of steel and with chrome fork blades. I think it cost about $140, and at the time I couldn't swing the extra 35 bucks. There was also a sportier version, maybe called the PX-10, but that name may have come later.
I wouldn't imagine it has a whole lot of value unless you find somebody who wants that specific bike. They were pretty common, not particularly high quality (note the stamped dropouts), there are parts problems (bottom brackets have different threads, for instance, and the stem is 22.0mm instead of the standard 22.2, just enough so they won't interchange), and those Simplex rear derailleurs are fragile. You can easily replace them with any modern derailleur to make it rideable, but to a purist or collector, that would lower the value.

Denver,

That is definitely a UO8 of the '68-70 vintage or so. I have a '68 or '69 that my wife rode through college. It is really a nice riding bike. I've done the Hotter-N-Hell 100 on it in Witchita Falls and lots of tri's, including the Red Man 1/2 Iron Man in 2007.

Many of the plastic-ish Simplex deraileurs bit the dust, but mine still works fine. I have squeezed a 7-speed cog set in the back with no problem.

Expect it to weigh about 28 lbs or so.

Ditch the current seat for a period Ideal leather saddle and someone might pay up to $250 for it, depending if whether they had one before. I know of several that have gone for that much, but that would be top dollar. PX-10's of the same era are nice and start in the $500.00 range.

Best single change is modern alloy wheels that weigh literally pounds less than stock.

Ride it and enjoy it.

TysonB
Cushing, OK

That bike looks very clean. Peugeots are very popular in the used market here in LA.

Don't be afraid of C&V. Very, very nice Forum over there...

That bike looks very clean. Peugeots are very popular in the used market here in LA.

Don't be afraid of C&V. Very, very nice Forum over there...

We love all old bikes just some more than others. We even like the ones with those funny sounding name that I can't even pronounce and we like stuff like this too. http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb150/stringbreaker53/009.jpg

That bike looks very clean. Peugeots are very popular in the used market here in LA.

Don't be afraid of C&V. Very, very nice Forum over there...

I've been told I was too "terse."

Think I will stay right here!

I've been told I was too "terse."

Think I will stay right here!

If they'll accept me they'll accept you. Although, in contrast to you, I am somewhat loquatious, with a pronounced penchant for prolixity. :) And there's quite an overlap between C&V and 50+ - vintage bikes/vintage riders.

As for your bike - yep, probably a midrange Peugeot like TysonB said. Stamped rather than forged dropouts and cottered steel crank rather than alloy three piece crank mean not top of the line. But it has downtube shifters (better) rather than stem shifters (usually a mark of a lower end bike). Would be a comfortable ride.

As mentioned above, finding replacement French threaded bottom brackets etc. can be difficult. Those darn French!

And now: the obligatory Sheldon Brown French Bike article link (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/velos.html).

I've been told I was too "terse."

Think I will stay right here!

If you happen to point out that East Hill will smack anyone who gives you any guff, you should do fine :lol: .

It's a nice looking bike!

East Hill

That's most likely a Peugeot UO-8, sold in the late '60s and very early '70s. I recall prices of around $85, about the same as a Varsity or Raleigh Gran Prix. I wanted a new bike back then, and would have loved to get one of those.

There is a lot of diversity of opinion about this bike. Some say it's amazingly smooth for what it is, others gawgle with enthusiasm, and others can't stand them. The components were all good quality in their day. The Simplex derailleurs nearly always shifted very well when new, and didn't always last long.

If it fits you, tune it up and see how it rides! You might like it. They are not bad bikes by any stretch, in my opinion.

Trust East Hill, she'll keep an eye on you.

The components were all good quality in their day. The Simplex derailleurs nearly always shifted very well when new, and didn't always last long.

I think that's why the SCNF parted me from the bike I pictured above. As you can see, there were some mods on it like a Brooks Saddle and bar cons. But I think it was putting on a SunTour groupo that galled the French so, and they could not permit me to maintain my association with a French bike. So they shipped it to Boulougne when I was going to Calais, and I never saw it again.
:cry:

The shop I worked at sold them. They were pretty nice especially considering what was available in the day. The simplex derailleurs worked OK, but as I was thinking about it, unless you spent a lot more money there was nothing any better. The only complaint I ever had about Peugeot was they used a very small diameter seat post with a shim in the frame and it did not like to clamp very securely. Its a decent bike I have seen the selling for 1-2 hundred as I recall. Better to fix it up a bit and enjoy the ride. They did ride pretty nice for a good price.

I've been told I was too "terse."

Think I will stay right here!


If you happen to point out that East Hill will smack anyone who gives you any guff, you should do fine :lol: .

It's a nice looking bike!

East Hill

Denver,

I believe you took my comment the wrong way over in C&V value appraisals. :o

I was trying to help you receive better and more complete responses. The C&V folk just like to be more chatty then you normally are. A general quick question like "what's the value?" generally is not well received. I was doing my best to be a friend offering good advice.

I don't want to seem critical, but I believe that the rack on the rear of the Pu-Joe is actually a front rack.:D

DnvrFox, the folks over at C&V are very freindly. You should try the "Classic & Vintage Bicycles Appraisals and Inquiries" subforum located at the top of the C & V forum page. As one of the regulars over there, I'll give you a preview of what might be said.
The value of that bike depends on how hot the bike market is in your area. Assuming it's an average area, like the area where I live (Raleigh, NC) that bike looks like a U0-8 in really nice condition. With good/new tires (no dry rot) and ride ready (clean chain, shifts/brakes smoothly) I'd estimate that bike would sell for $125 to $150. C&V bikes are a really hot market right now and Peugeot is a desirable brand with the U0-8 being a model that gets a lot of attention. There's a downside to an early U0-8. It has French measurement components (bottom bracket, stem, headset, bars) so buying replacement parts is serious concern for collectors. The Simplex rear derailer on that bike has been known to have problems with the jockey wheels disintegrating due to the poor quality of the plastic (happened to me with a Raleigh). To replace the jockey wheels, you need to find an early Suntour rear derailer that has jockey wheels with the same size hole in the center. Folks at C&V may be able to help if you have trouble with it. Also, the U0-8 I had for a brief time had a replacement Suntour V-GT derailer that performed better than the Simplex, but, of course it is not original. Fortunately, Suntour V-GT's are not too hard to find.
Good luck with it and welcome to the C&V world.

What tire pressure for the original wheels and 27" tires?

As one of the regulars over there, I'll give you a preview of what might be said.
The value of that bike depends on how hot the bike market is in your area. Assuming it's an average area, like the area where I live (Raleigh, NC) that bike looks like a U0-8 in really nice condition. With good/new tires (no dry rot) and ride ready (clean chain, shifts/brakes smoothly) I'd estimate that bike would sell for $125 to $150. C&V bikes are a really hot market right now and Peugeot is a desirable brand with the U0-8 being a model that gets a lot of attention. There's a downside to an early U0-8. It has French measurement components (bottom bracket, stem, headset, bars) so buying replacement parts is serious concern for collectors. The Simplex rear derailer on that bike has been known to have problems with the jockey wheels disintegrating due to the poor quality of the plastic (happened to me with a Raleigh). To replace the jockey wheels, you need to find an early Suntour rear derailer that has jockey wheels with the same size hole in the center. Folks at C&V may be able to help if you have trouble with it. Also, the U0-8 I had for a brief time had a replacement Suntour V-GT derailer that performed better than the Simplex, but, of course it is not original. Fortunately, Suntour V-GT's are not too hard to find.
Good luck with it and welcome to the C&V world.


I think you have just answered all my questions!!

Thanks.

What tire pressure for the original wheels and 27" tires?

The tire pressure would have been about 80 or 85 psi max. I might inch them up to that point watching for incipient explosions.

Are the rims steel? rusty or chromed, or both? or use a fridge magnet. If so they are probably original, made by Rigida, and having a textured brake track. Good thing you live in Colorado, because these didn't brake well in the rain, because of the steel surface. The brakes on that are probably the best center-pulls ever made, though in C&V I'd get a strong argument about that.

The French parts are only a problem if you need to replace any of them. If you do an overhaul and clean and regrease things, you should be just putting the old stuff, 'cep perhaps for balls, back in.

Take a ride!

When I lived in the desert, lots of guys that I knew loved their classic cars. To me classic bikes are the same way. Hopefully, this little French maiden can charm it's way into your heart and garage. My early '70s vintage American Eagle/Nishiki that I rode concurrently with the Peugeot in the picture is undergoing a slow restomod upgrade, strangely I'm bringing it up to the level of the Peugeot, with bar cons and a brooks saddle. I recently was given a mid '70s Kabuki. It's a sweet bike too.

You have a decision to make - do you want a new hobby within your current hobby?

The tire pressure would have been about 80 or 85 psi max. I might inch them up to that point watching for incipient explosions.

Are the rims steel? rusty or chromed, or both? or use a fridge magnet. If so they are probably original, made by Rigida, and having a textured brake track. Good thing you live in Colorado, because these didn't brake well in the rain, because of the steel surface. The brakes on that are probably the best center-pulls ever made, though in C&V I'd get a strong argument about that.

The French parts are only a problem if you need to replace any of them. If you do an overhaul and clean and regrease things, you should be just putting the old stuff, 'cep perhaps for balls, back in.

Take a ride!

Hey, thanks for the magnet idea - so simple, but yet so elegant. Honestly, I would never have thought of that.


time passes



So, returning from the garage, I can report that they are steel, textured, chromed, and not a speck of rust!

I would do no more of an overhaul than to clean the parts up a bit, put on some new tires and tubes (I assume 700 x about 38 tubes will work, but it will need 27" tires??) - thinking of 27 x 1.25 or so tires - Nashbar is having a sale.

Don't let me near a bike with a tool - total devastation will occur. I don't have the patience, tools, skills or mind-set to do an overhaul. The Simplex seems to be workng ok - I have it on my "stand" and it shifts through the gears fine - haven't ridden it yet due to tires - one seems to have a hard glob in it, and I wouldn't trust it - perhaps hardened slime.

Thanks so much for your input.

You have a decision to make - do you want a new hobby within your current hobby?

Nope.

I would like to replace the tires and tubes. I already replaced the broken seat. Clean the drive train a bit, apply some lube, pump the new tires to about 85 psi - and AWAY!!

Nope.

I would like to replace the tires and tubes. I already replaced the broken seat. Clean the drive train a bit, apply some lube, pump the new tires to about 85 psi - and AWAY!!


N+1-1: A man with true balance.

If the rims are 27", then the tires must be 27".

If the rims are 27", then the tires must be 27".

Yes. But what I was asking was would 700x38's or so work with a 27 x 1.25 tire. (I have a couple of new 700x38's tubes, and a couple of new 700x25's tubes).

I have a NOS Schwinn tube marked 27 x 1.125 or 700 x 28..... I would think a 700 x 30-32 would be a better fit for a 1.25 tyre. But I never tried it. Certainly worth a try.

My son was just given a very similar bike, and the C&V forum was very helpful in identifying it: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=547965.

Seems to ride very well. The previous owner did some modifications, replacing the old wheels with a more modern set and the drop bars with North Road style bars. My son wanted it for a commuter bike at school, and it should be just right for that.

Love the handlebar mounted bottle cage!
Had dual mounted bottle cages on handlebars of my PX-10 and AO8.
Brings back memories!

Yes. But what I was asking was would 700x38's or so work with a 27 x 1.25 tire. (I have a couple of new 700x38's tubes, and a couple of new 700x25's tubes).

27 x 1 1/4-1 3/8" 700 x 28-35c <-- I found that on an old BF post. (Google 'bicycle tire tube sizing')

38 or 25 might work. Probably depends on how accurately the tires and the tubes are sized. I couldn't find specific info about tube sizing on the Sheldon site.

27 x 1 1/4-1 3/8" 700 x 28-35c <-- I found that on an old BF post. (Google 'bicycle tire tube sizing')

38 or 25 might work. Probably depends on how accurately the tires and the tubes are sized. I couldn't find specific info about tube sizing on the Sheldon site.

Thanks so much!!

Tires, Tubes and Pressure. You probably have chrome, steel rims on the Peugeot. I still have a rim from a mid 70's Peugeot. It has a smooth inside lip, meaning it is not hooked bead like your newer bikes have. The tires you are taking off are gum wall. They stuck to the chrome and could handle higher pressure, but if you are replacing them with non-gumwall tires, (because that's what is mostly available) they won't take high pressure without coming off the rims at an inopportune time, like while you're riding. As I recall, Sheldon Brown recommended pressure of 70 PSI. I've pumped mine up to 80.
As for tubes, I am fairly sure you need Schrader valve tubes for that bike. You can use Presta, but you'll need to buy "centering" nuts to center the valve in the Schrader hole so that it doesn't get cut. As for tube size, all my Kenda tube boxes have the 27" equivalent size on the box. A 700X25 is too small (27 X 1 1/8), a 700X38 is too large (27 X 1 3/8), so a 700X28 should be just right for a 27X1.25 tire. Given that you don't have a hooked bead I would not try a 700X35 tube with a 1 1/4 tire.

27" tires are not interchangeable with 700C. You need to go to a shop that can supply 27" tires. 1 !/4 or 1 1/8 should be fine

Tires, Tubes and Pressure. You probably have chrome, steel rims on the Peugeot. I still have a rim from a mid 70's Peugeot. It has a smooth inside lip, meaning it is not hooked bead like your newer bikes have. The tires you are taking off are gum wall. They stuck to the chrome and could handle higher pressure, but if you are replacing them with non-gumwall tires, (because that's what is mostly available) they won't take high pressure without coming off the rims at an inopportune time, like while you're riding. As I recall, Sheldon Brown recommended pressure of 70 PSI. I've pumped mine up to 80.
As for tubes, I am fairly sure you need Schrader valve tubes for that bike. You can use Presta, but you'll need to buy "centering" nuts to center the valve in the Schrader hole so that it doesn't get cut. As for tube size, all my Kenda tube boxes have the 27" equivalent size on the box. A 700X25 is too small (27 X 1 1/8), a 700X38 is too large (27 X 1 3/8), so a 700X28 should be just right for a 27X1.25 tire. Given that you don't have a hooked bead I would not try a 700X35 tube with a 1 1/4 tire.

Thanks a whole lot. This is all new to me.

27" tires are not interchangeable with 700C. You need to go to a shop that can supply 27" tires. 1 !/4 or 1 1/8 should be fine

Thanks, but we are discussing the tubes, not the tires, which will, of course, be 27"

How about this??

Kenda
27 x 1-1/4 Gumwall Bicycle Tire (K35)
Reg: $14.99
Web Sale Price: $12.74
Product Rating
(1 Review)Write a ReviewRead 1 Review
This is a great basic replacement tire for any bike with 27-inch wheels. Gum sidewalls. 22 TPI. 90 PSI. And the price is right!

http://bicyclewarehouse.com/itemdetails.cfm?ID=8766&site=google_base

How about this??

Kenda
27 x 1-1/4 Gumwall Bicycle Tire (K35)
Reg: $14.99
Web Sale Price: $12.74
Product Rating
(1 Review)Write a ReviewRead 1 Review
This is a great basic replacement tire for any bike with 27-inch wheels. Gum sidewalls. 22 TPI. 90 PSI. And the price is right!

http://bicyclewarehouse.com/itemdetails.cfm?ID=8766&site=google_base


I think the C&V folks have recommended those as good replacement tire for 27-inch wheels.

My daily commuter has 27 inch wheels - I use Pasela Tour Guard's on that; they are just a bit more expensive.

As for your tube question - yes, 700c tubes will generally work just fine in a 27-inch tire.


The bike may not need very much work other than tires and tubes if you're just trying to see how it does on short rides, but one very easy change to consider is getting new/modern brake pads. My experience - makes a big difference; old brake pads are often dried out/useless compared to modern pads. Quick, cheap, easy to make that change, even if you decide to have a shop do more advanced rehab work.

Nope.

I would like to replace the tires and tubes. I already replaced the broken seat. Clean the drive train a bit, apply some lube, pump the new tires to about 85 psi - and AWAY!!
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Ok, you are not a tools 'n grease guy, fair enough. There is a shop in Denver that specializes in vintage bikes: CycleAnalyst. I recall (17 years ago) they were on South Downing Street, but things change.

If it was mine I'd give it a thorough inspection and decide what are the key issues to be resolved before seeing if I like it. Then after she wins my heart, consider dress-up, but I am a tools 'n grease guy. I'd suggest taking it to this shop and asking them to assess it - is there anything that really needs attention before you try it out (emphasize your bone-crushing leg strength and how you've fractured lesser machines just last week - trust me, they won't laugh, they're very cultured).

Seriously, that place is a resource available to you. Not everyone has access to a shop like that.

Road Fan

Sorry I misread. I my expereince the 700x38 tubes would be fine. I believe that since the rubber in tubes is pretty streatchy, just about any 700C bigger than 28 would work in a pinch.

27 x 1 1/4-1 3/8" 700 x 28-35c <-- I found that on an old BF post. (Google 'bicycle tire tube sizing')

38 or 25 might work. Probably depends on how accurately the tires and the tubes are sized. I couldn't find specific info about tube sizing on the Sheldon site.

If possible get a tube with teh same width spec as teh tire, it's just less risk that it will all fit right. 700 versus 27 might be ok for the tube diameter. You clearly need a 27 inch tire.

I know there's an REI store still up on Alameda between Santa Fe and Federal, but I think there's one down your way now, too, either in Aurora, or maybe Arapahoe Road, or even in Parker. They usually have a wide selection of tubes just sitting there on teh shelf for you to stare at. Careful with the valve spec. These are probably Schraeder valves, just going from ancient memory.

Sorry I misread. I my expereince the 700x38 tubes would be fine. I believe that since the rubber in tubes is pretty streatchy, just about any 700C bigger than 28 would work in a pinch.

I have seen tubes too small get stretched too thin when put in a tire that is too big. I'd rather see DnVer not risk any such things, especially when nice stores like REI probably have something on the shelf that says "27 inch x 1.25 inches Schraeder valve," and the guesswork can be eliminated.

How about this??

Kenda
27 x 1-1/4 Gumwall Bicycle Tire (K35)
Reg: $14.99
Web Sale Price: $12.74
Product Rating
(1 Review)Write a ReviewRead 1 Review
This is a great basic replacement tire for any bike with 27-inch wheels. Gum sidewalls. 22 TPI. 90 PSI. And the price is right!

http://bicyclewarehouse.com/itemdetails.cfm?ID=8766&site=google_base


If they are anything like the Walmart Kenda's they may take a little extra effort to get the bead seated properly on the rim, but once you do, they are good for a couple of thousand miles. You can get similar prices at Walmart or it's competitors. They also sell tubes. And yes, they are Schrader valves.

I've been told I was too "terse."

Think I will stay right here!



Interesting.

I tend to make short replies, also...but it's because I am a lousy typist!

the fixie crowd in Denver / Ft. Collins / Boulder would buy it for the horizontal rear dropouts alone...