Recumbent - Old Greenspeed GTO - price?
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What is a fair price for a GTO? All the extras cost money so what about bare bones, no extras, no dysfunctional damage?
It is easier to arrive at a goal when I know where the goal is. See the trike, be the trike.
06-13-09, 10:29 PM
Depends on the age, condition, etc.... I just purchased a new one 2 weeks ago, and it set me back a pretty penny. Just off the cuff, I'd say if you can get one for $2500 to $3,000, in good condition, that would be a good deal.
06-14-09, 10:50 AM
You might want to look at recent craigs listings
gto greenspeed site:craigslist.org
Thank you gcottay for the heads up. I was wondering how much money I needed to save before I start looking. At least it is not a heavy duty frame made to fit my long body, nor does it have a Rohloff internal hub. Sour grapes, don't you know.
06-16-09, 02:13 PM
I searched for a GTO for a while, but only found GTRs. You may want to do some research on old listings in BentRiderOnline classifieds to see if what GTO's (if any) sold for.
Why specifically a GTO? You can get a very decent Trice for that money. Also folds, adjustable seat, and has rear suspension. The HP Scorpion FX is another trike in the same class that could be worth looking at.
Again, I could only find standard Scorpions when I was looking, not the FX.
06-16-09, 02:47 PM
One of the main reasons I went with the GTO, is it's not a "folding" bike, but can be taken apart for travel, with the S&S coupling and cable connectors. I want to travel to Belgium or Europe with the trike, and being able to remove the seat, take apart the frame, would allow putting into 2 suitcases easily. With a folder, yes it's easier to transport in a car/vehicle, but most of the mechanisms I saw don't come apart totally for airline travel.
The other thing the GTO has is the SRAM dual hub, giving 81 speeds. Yes, obviously a lot of overlapping gears, but the gear inch range is huge; the GTO comes stock with a luggage rack, so if you want to travel with any gear/luggage, and you are heading up hills, you need the low range (and the luggage rack).
06-17-09, 02:53 PM
Caveat: The Greenspeed GTO can be taken apart and put in two suitcases. Thre is one slight catch, the larger of the two suitcases is slightly larger than the airline limit for overall size. I tried finding that size suitcase and they are not easy to find. Most luggage makers limit the size to what will "legally" make it past the check in person at the airline counter. You are banking on them not actually measuring the size of the luggage. If they catch on to it being oversize you will be hit with some pretty significant excess baggage fees. With airlines squeezing every last nickel out of you that they can get, it might get harder to get past them these days.
You can find info on the GS website about at least one company that makes the slightly larger suitcase or just email GS and ask.
My plans started with my divorce. I am faced with a life-changing event. What do I want to do now? I have to move, where would be a good place, a good decision? Go to the source of the things I like best and the hings I always wanted to see. Europe, Asia and Polynesia. OK, but how could I afford that? Bike tour, camping and working throughout my journey.
What kind of bike would be best for me to tour on? I searched online for bicycle around the world. Touring bikes are essential, they are built to carry a lot of gear. Recumbents touring bikes came up very often, the two wheelers sometimes fall over especially going uphill and when looking at the scenery instead of the road. Trikes do not fall over as easily. Recumbent trikes are touted as being easier to ride for people with chronic pains. I am almost 50 years old and have always been active; I definitely fit that bill. I searched for recumbent touring trikes. I originally had my sights set on the Terratrike Tour. They are local - I could ride my old bike to their factory, much less expensive and well-established.
A few people said that the TT trike is not up to that with several components that have to be replaced and still, the frame is not built for heavy duty touring. I searched for touring trikes. I read lots of stories and a few reviews. Trikes with shocks are hard to outfit with racks. Many racks are not built for carrying a self-supporting camper on tour. Price is an extremely important consideration for me, I have to save the money for all of this first. Greenspeed trikes are expensive but they have been used for touring though counties and in areas without high-tech infrastructures and support. The developers (owner) of Greenspeed trikes originally built a trike to do what he wanted - see the world, I believe that is the origin of Greenspeed. Trice trikes seem like sports cars, Greenspeed seem like Landrovers. I am not in a race to get there. I expect to be on the road for years.
Shocks on my "touring trike to be" are not such a good idea because shocks are one more thing that can break and they limit my options for a rack. Fat tires, as in the Schwable Big Apple are effective, low tech shocks. I thought about the Greenspeed GTE with it's ability to carry a full set of panniers, front and back and it's increased durability but I imagine there will be places (other than crossing the Atlantic Ocean) I cannot ride and need to pack everything up.
The bottom line is I will make do with what is available and within my means. I pray a lot. :)
07-01-09, 06:23 AM
You might give ICE a try. Their Trice "T" is their touring model and can be had with a rigid rear 26" wheel set up and much less than the GTO. I use a Trice "Q"NT-26 with the fiberglass seat and can't understand why anyone would want suspended (well I can but don't feel it's worth it), never used suspended on any bike I've ever owned over the last 45years.....at 62 I find absolutely no discomfort with the Qnt-26. Check out the ICE site and you'll find great panniers for their machines as well...good luck and good hunting...
07-02-09, 07:15 PM
You might want to look at Crazy guy on a bike (http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/categories/?o=3Tzut&category_id=22&doctype=journal) too see how other people do touring. One woman takes her Catrike to almost every continent. Another method would be to fly over and pick up the trike there.
There are a lot more possibilities than folding the trike. Trailers for trikes is also a common solution.
07-03-09, 10:51 AM
I don't know exactly how much equipment you will need to carry, but the ICE rear rack on their suspended trikes is really robust. You can get the 2 x 28 liter Radical US bags from ICE and the 2 x 35 liter bags from Radical should fit as well.
The 56L Radical bags on my Q hold weight well forward, and leave the top of the rack totally clear for extra luggage, and you could probably overlay some smaller additional panniers.
As for rear suspension, I wouldn't fuss about the reliability of quality units. The Trice rear is really simple, and robust, and you could easily carry a spare elastomer if concerned.
The 'need' for suspension very much depends on where you will ride and road conditions. Having had suspension around here, I find myself very reluctant to part with it.
The Trice is relatively affordable, but IMHO when i look at my all-up touring cost (fenders, rack, bags, lights, computer, sundry other gadgets) the price increased substantially.
Whichever trike you go for, if you are touring, one feature that I would look into is folding ability. I got a horrendous quote to ship a used non-folding HPV Scorpion from NC, versus the semi-assembled Trice i eventually bought ($70 from Maine).
I would also not discount buying used, or one of the Taiwanese trikes such as the Performer and TWBents (AKA Actionbent in USA). The components are very reasonable at the price, and the current versions have about all the bugs worked out.
The one I considered heavily was the 81-speed (SRAM Dualdrive) Mantis. Had about everything I wanted except for suspension.
A few extra pounds shouldn't really be much of an issue when touring, and as with most, the components are mostly standard bicycle fare.
Actionbent seems to have sold out of the Mantis for now, but I would imagine will have them back on their site when they get the next shipment.
TW Bent still have them available in Taiwan, and would probably ship anywhere in the world.
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