UnsafeAlpine
07-11-09, 05:45 PM
Evans really is a whiner, isn't he?
Professional Cycling For the Fans - TdF Stage 8 - Saturday July 11 - 176 km - Andorra-la-Vella (Andorra) → Saint-Girons
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Tsuru
07-11-09, 06:24 PM
Evans really is a whiner, isn't he?
He's just emooootional. ;) I think he's just frustrated.
He's just emooootional. ;) I think he's just frustrated.
reef58
07-11-09, 06:32 PM
He has a long history of moaning and groaning. He complained Contador and Chicken were teamed up against him in 07. It is called racing. Keep up or get dropped.
Richard
Richard
classic1
07-11-09, 07:41 PM
That's a stage race. He won the overall, but he didn't win any of the stages.
You said he had never won a professional bike race. He has.
You said he had never won a professional bike race. He has.
classic1
07-11-09, 07:52 PM
Keep in mind a break with Evans is doomed to fail. Why sould FC & GH put in energy for a failed break to help Evans? Why should FC work with Evans to help him put time on Frank & Andy? That is stupid.
That's why I can't stands Evans. It is always someone elses fault.
Richard
Evans was already out there in the break and had been for sometime. Cancellara, Hushovd or Hincapie rode across to the break on the decent then started telling Evans to go back to the peloton so they could stay away. Evans did not appear to ask them to work and had every right to tell them to get stuffed when they were carrying on at him. Tough titties fellas.
If anything, it was a great big festival of stupidity. Evans was never going to stay away, not with 6 or 7 Astanas still in the chase group. Cancellara etc were kidding themselves unless they were there to 'police' Evans, which they weren't.
Evans big problem is that he doesn't have many friends in the bunch IMO. I don't think he has enemies or is hated either, just that when push comes to shove or he needs a favour he doesn't get them.
That's why I can't stands Evans. It is always someone elses fault.
Richard
Evans was already out there in the break and had been for sometime. Cancellara, Hushovd or Hincapie rode across to the break on the decent then started telling Evans to go back to the peloton so they could stay away. Evans did not appear to ask them to work and had every right to tell them to get stuffed when they were carrying on at him. Tough titties fellas.
If anything, it was a great big festival of stupidity. Evans was never going to stay away, not with 6 or 7 Astanas still in the chase group. Cancellara etc were kidding themselves unless they were there to 'police' Evans, which they weren't.
Evans big problem is that he doesn't have many friends in the bunch IMO. I don't think he has enemies or is hated either, just that when push comes to shove or he needs a favour he doesn't get them.
Shadco
07-11-09, 08:17 PM
Evans was already out there in the break and had been for sometime. Cancellara, Hushovd or Hincapie rode across to the break on the decent then started telling Evans to go back to the peloton so they could stay away. Evans did not appear to ask them to work and had every right to tell them to get stuffed when they were carrying on at him. Tough titties fellas.
If anything, it was a great big festival of stupidity. Evans was never going to stay away, not with 6 or 7 Astanas still in the chase group. Cancellara etc were kidding themselves unless they were there to 'police' Evans, which they weren't.
Evans big problem is that he doesn't have many friends in the bunch IMO. I don't think he has enemies or is hated either, just that when push comes to shove or he needs a favour he doesn't get them.
Does anyone think Thor or George could push LA around, or AC either.
CE is like Rodney Dangerfield, he gets no respect
If anything, it was a great big festival of stupidity. Evans was never going to stay away, not with 6 or 7 Astanas still in the chase group. Cancellara etc were kidding themselves unless they were there to 'police' Evans, which they weren't.
Evans big problem is that he doesn't have many friends in the bunch IMO. I don't think he has enemies or is hated either, just that when push comes to shove or he needs a favour he doesn't get them.
Does anyone think Thor or George could push LA around, or AC either.
CE is like Rodney Dangerfield, he gets no respect
europa
07-11-09, 08:40 PM
Evans big problem is that he doesn't have many friends in the bunch IMO. I don't think he has enemies or is hated either, just that when push comes to shove or he needs a favour he doesn't get them.
Evans' biggest problem is that once again, he's got a weak team. That's his choice and he has to wear the lumps for it but it also means that he's dependent on favours which is where your point comes into play.
That the others in the break chose not to work with Evans isn't the point of contention, it's the way they went about it. Those idly criticising Evans for whining obviously didn't see that part of the race or are chosing to ignore how it all happened. Cancellara threw a full on tantrum - shouting, waving arms, racing up and down the group trying to intimidate the other riders. For what? He wasn't going anywhere, he had less chance than anyone else in that group of gaining time and, once again, proved he has no claims on the GC by failing on the hills - hell, he wasn't even capable of putting up a fight but still felt he had the right to stop others who could.
The other riders in that group could quite simply have just shaken their heads at the risk Evans was taking and then tucked in behind him, taking advantage of the effort he was putting in. The shouting, arm waving from Cancellara and then Hincapie's efforts (which team is he on btw, team Lance or Columbia?) was sheer petulance from men scared of Astana, nothing more.
Evans showed that he's the only man in that pack with the guts to attack Astana. Yes, I know this is an American forum and Astana is the great stars and stripes hope (and fair enough too incidentally), but sheesh, the man had a go and he's condemned for it. It seems that fear of Astana is a greater virtue than misguided courage.
The sad part is that that group was strong enough to do some real damage to Astana last night. Yes, in all probability Astana would have eventually run the break down but at what cost to them? Particularly if the other teams had got smart and let Astana do all the hard work. When you're against a team as strong as Astana do you just accept their inevitable win or do you roll over and complain because that big bad Astana team might fight back? Cancellara rolled over and whined and tantrumed, Hincape joined in. Hell, as one person has suggested elsewhere, if Evans had carried a few spare dummies, he could have shared them around.
The point of contention is not that the breakaway chose not to work but the way they did it. They could have taken the courageous route and had a go themselves. More realistically, they could have acted like professional cyclists and just followed Evans' wheel but they didn't, they let their fear of Astana take hold and panicked. Well done kiddies.
Richard
Evans' biggest problem is that once again, he's got a weak team. That's his choice and he has to wear the lumps for it but it also means that he's dependent on favours which is where your point comes into play.
That the others in the break chose not to work with Evans isn't the point of contention, it's the way they went about it. Those idly criticising Evans for whining obviously didn't see that part of the race or are chosing to ignore how it all happened. Cancellara threw a full on tantrum - shouting, waving arms, racing up and down the group trying to intimidate the other riders. For what? He wasn't going anywhere, he had less chance than anyone else in that group of gaining time and, once again, proved he has no claims on the GC by failing on the hills - hell, he wasn't even capable of putting up a fight but still felt he had the right to stop others who could.
The other riders in that group could quite simply have just shaken their heads at the risk Evans was taking and then tucked in behind him, taking advantage of the effort he was putting in. The shouting, arm waving from Cancellara and then Hincapie's efforts (which team is he on btw, team Lance or Columbia?) was sheer petulance from men scared of Astana, nothing more.
Evans showed that he's the only man in that pack with the guts to attack Astana. Yes, I know this is an American forum and Astana is the great stars and stripes hope (and fair enough too incidentally), but sheesh, the man had a go and he's condemned for it. It seems that fear of Astana is a greater virtue than misguided courage.
The sad part is that that group was strong enough to do some real damage to Astana last night. Yes, in all probability Astana would have eventually run the break down but at what cost to them? Particularly if the other teams had got smart and let Astana do all the hard work. When you're against a team as strong as Astana do you just accept their inevitable win or do you roll over and complain because that big bad Astana team might fight back? Cancellara rolled over and whined and tantrumed, Hincape joined in. Hell, as one person has suggested elsewhere, if Evans had carried a few spare dummies, he could have shared them around.
The point of contention is not that the breakaway chose not to work but the way they did it. They could have taken the courageous route and had a go themselves. More realistically, they could have acted like professional cyclists and just followed Evans' wheel but they didn't, they let their fear of Astana take hold and panicked. Well done kiddies.
Richard
USAZorro
07-11-09, 08:46 PM
Evans' biggest problem is that once again, he's got a weak team. That's his choice and he has to wear the lumps for it but it also means that he's dependent on favours which is where your point comes into play.
That the others in the break chose not to work with Evans isn't the point of contention, it's the way they went about it. Those idly criticising Evans for whining obviously didn't see that part of the race or are chosing to ignore how it all happened. Cancellara threw a full on tantrum - shouting, waving arms, racing up and down the group trying to intimidate the other riders. For what? He wasn't going anywhere, he had less chance than anyone else in that group of gaining time and, once again, proved he has no claims on the GC by failing on the hills - hell, he wasn't even capable of putting up a fight but still felt he had the right to stop others who could.
The other riders in that group could quite simply have just shaken their heads at the risk Evans was taking and then tucked in behind him, taking advantage of the effort he was putting in. The shouting, arm waving from Cancellara and then Hincapie's efforts (which team is he on btw, team Lance or Columbia?) was sheer petulance from men scared of Astana, nothing more.
Evans showed that he's the only man in that pack with the guts to attack Astana. Yes, I know this is an American forum and Astana is the great stars and stripes hope (and fair enough too incidentally), but sheesh, the man had a go and he's condemned for it. It seems that fear of Astana is a greater virtue than misguided courage.
The sad part is that that group was strong enough to do some real damage to Astana last night. Yes, in all probability Astana would have eventually run the break down but at what cost to them? Particularly if the other teams had got smart and let Astana do all the hard work. When you're against a team as strong as Astana do you just accept their inevitable win or do you roll over and complain because that big bad Astana team might fight back? Cancellara rolled over and whined and tantrumed, Hincape joined in. Hell, as one person has suggested elsewhere, if Evans had carried a few spare dummies, he could have shared them around.
The point of contention is not that the breakaway chose not to work but the way they did it. They could have taken the courageous route and had a go themselves. More realistically, they could have acted like professional cyclists and just followed Evans' wheel but they didn't, they let their fear of Astana take hold and panicked. Well done kiddies.
Richard
Simple fact is, they didn't want him in the break because they knew his presence would doom it.
That the others in the break chose not to work with Evans isn't the point of contention, it's the way they went about it. Those idly criticising Evans for whining obviously didn't see that part of the race or are chosing to ignore how it all happened. Cancellara threw a full on tantrum - shouting, waving arms, racing up and down the group trying to intimidate the other riders. For what? He wasn't going anywhere, he had less chance than anyone else in that group of gaining time and, once again, proved he has no claims on the GC by failing on the hills - hell, he wasn't even capable of putting up a fight but still felt he had the right to stop others who could.
The other riders in that group could quite simply have just shaken their heads at the risk Evans was taking and then tucked in behind him, taking advantage of the effort he was putting in. The shouting, arm waving from Cancellara and then Hincapie's efforts (which team is he on btw, team Lance or Columbia?) was sheer petulance from men scared of Astana, nothing more.
Evans showed that he's the only man in that pack with the guts to attack Astana. Yes, I know this is an American forum and Astana is the great stars and stripes hope (and fair enough too incidentally), but sheesh, the man had a go and he's condemned for it. It seems that fear of Astana is a greater virtue than misguided courage.
The sad part is that that group was strong enough to do some real damage to Astana last night. Yes, in all probability Astana would have eventually run the break down but at what cost to them? Particularly if the other teams had got smart and let Astana do all the hard work. When you're against a team as strong as Astana do you just accept their inevitable win or do you roll over and complain because that big bad Astana team might fight back? Cancellara rolled over and whined and tantrumed, Hincape joined in. Hell, as one person has suggested elsewhere, if Evans had carried a few spare dummies, he could have shared them around.
The point of contention is not that the breakaway chose not to work but the way they did it. They could have taken the courageous route and had a go themselves. More realistically, they could have acted like professional cyclists and just followed Evans' wheel but they didn't, they let their fear of Astana take hold and panicked. Well done kiddies.
Richard
Simple fact is, they didn't want him in the break because they knew his presence would doom it.
jaxgtr
07-11-09, 09:06 PM
This is from Stage 7, but I'm posting it here so as much people can see it.
Amazing descent by Cancellara.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgVmq4UBJs4
The sound track in the background was a great addition :love:
Amazing descent by Cancellara.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgVmq4UBJs4
The sound track in the background was a great addition :love:
europa
07-11-09, 09:07 PM
Simple fact is, they didn't want him in the break because they knew his presence would doom it.
No argument with that mate. It's the manner is which they chose to do it that reeks.
Richard
No argument with that mate. It's the manner is which they chose to do it that reeks.
Richard
USAZorro
07-11-09, 09:24 PM
No argument with that mate. It's the manner is which they chose to do it that reeks.
Richard
Fair enough, but considering they must have thought he'd lost his mind, they probably were off their best manners. ;)
Richard
Fair enough, but considering they must have thought he'd lost his mind, they probably were off their best manners. ;)
Howzit
07-12-09, 12:01 AM
The other riders in the group, but especially Cancellara and then Hincape, refused to work for him and told him to go back to the peleton. Cancellara threw a massive tantrum waving his arms around, yelling, badgering the other riders. In the end, he had a choice of do the ride alone (though they weren't too shy to hang onto his wheel and get sucked along) or drop back to the peleton.
Regardless of the tactics though (which are quite defensible), Cancellara's tantrum on the road was disgusting. Sadly, Hincape's support for that sort of behaviour paints him in the same colours.
Richard
This is normal in every single race, from the amateur ranks, all the way to the Tour.
If your a marked rider (GC contender in this case), get the hell out or go on your own.
One thing that you are forgetting (based on the disgusting comment) is that a breakaway is "team work" situation between the riders in that group, you form a temporary alliance to get yourselves some time.
Riders who refuse to work get the exact same treatment, riders who play cat and mouse get the same treatment. In this case its 10 times worse to have someone like Cadel there.
In fact, if I was there I would throw a bottle at him. Cadel was really being stupid.
Cadel was the immature one trying to break away from a peleton with hundreds of kilometers to the finish and 2 or 3 mountains in front of him, and not being a climber only makes it worse.
He deserved what was dished out to him.
Regardless of the tactics though (which are quite defensible), Cancellara's tantrum on the road was disgusting. Sadly, Hincape's support for that sort of behaviour paints him in the same colours.
Richard
This is normal in every single race, from the amateur ranks, all the way to the Tour.
If your a marked rider (GC contender in this case), get the hell out or go on your own.
One thing that you are forgetting (based on the disgusting comment) is that a breakaway is "team work" situation between the riders in that group, you form a temporary alliance to get yourselves some time.
Riders who refuse to work get the exact same treatment, riders who play cat and mouse get the same treatment. In this case its 10 times worse to have someone like Cadel there.
In fact, if I was there I would throw a bottle at him. Cadel was really being stupid.
Cadel was the immature one trying to break away from a peleton with hundreds of kilometers to the finish and 2 or 3 mountains in front of him, and not being a climber only makes it worse.
He deserved what was dished out to him.
Howzit
07-12-09, 12:02 AM
This is from Stage 7, but I'm posting it here so as much people can see it.
Amazing descent by Cancellara.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgVmq4UBJs4
Ummm, yea, please dont post videos if their not focused on Lance. I have been told this on many occasions around here thats its Lance or nothing. :innocent: :innocent: :innocent:
(tnx for the vid ;) )
Amazing descent by Cancellara.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgVmq4UBJs4
Ummm, yea, please dont post videos if their not focused on Lance. I have been told this on many occasions around here thats its Lance or nothing. :innocent: :innocent: :innocent:
(tnx for the vid ;) )
mcoomer
07-13-09, 09:05 AM
That's a stage race. He won the overall, but he didn't win any of the stages.
Neither did Greg Lemond in 1990.
Neither did Greg Lemond in 1990.