Foo - You May Call Me A Racist...

... But I have no doubt about which is the most disgusting and vile race.


Clearly, it is the Daytona 500.

Pure filth.

... But I have no doubt about which is the most disgusting and vile race.


Clearly, it is the Daytona 500.

Pure filth.

:roflmao:

I can't help it if they only turn left. :p
BTW: they recently signed on magic johnson as an advisor or something, apparently they feel they need to diversify.

Stupidest_race_ever.

Im not a Nascar fan, but I can tell you that the tuning, tactics, technology and fan support are far and beyoned anything MTBing has to offer. Calling it stupid shows that you all indeed have the closed minds that you seem to be so against.

I'll watch an F1 race any day. NASCAR is boring. I do however, love the way they paint headlights on the cars so they look stock. :rolleyes:

The engineering behind a NASCAR is absolutely riiculous. Tehy got over 700HP from a 350ci V8 using only the kind of american V-8 tech that existed back in the 1960's. The only electronics allowed are safety and diagnostic in nature....and even those are kept down to keep the weight low.

As far as painting headlights...headlights aren't allowed on NASCARS anymore...A dubious driver could have tehm maladjsuted to blind those ahead of him...but for sake of identifying what template the car was based off of, they paint headlights to teh car.

I said template since each major brand (ford, gm, and chrysler) all have a standard design for NASCAR. Now all 3 marks must have certain things exactly alike...but can have variances in other places, but still has to mmet a tight spec. Therefore why a ford template looks so much lile the other two and vice versa.

NASCAR was never truly "STOCK" car racing...The first NASCARs were cars used by bootleggers back in prohibition era. Their cars ahd to be faster than police cars...and still look plain enough to keep them anonymous. And back then, police had some rather formidable power under their hoods...so you can only imagine how fast some of tehse cars were for their time. That is where the strict tuning specs on the current generation came from...getting the most out of limited technology. The body is just to maximize safety.

It used to be about racing a souped up normal looking car...but those days are long gone. If you want normal looking cars...It's SCCA Showroom Stock...your not allowed to change ANYTHING.

I know all that. I still think it's boring.

I know all that. I still think it's boring.

Yup. And I still think it's stupid.

Give me the OLD 500cc World GP any day! Pure poetry on two wheels. It's a shame they reworked the formula to allow four-strokers. EGAD! If I wanted to watch four stroke bikes run I'd watch WSB. Sheesh!

i can appreciate the machinery, the technology, and the tactics (some of it is similiar to cycling) but i can't stand the vibe it gives off. it's just too big, the fans are too drunk, too loud, and it's all mixed in with an extra dose of american machosim.

Im not a Nascar fan, but I can tell you that the tuning, tactics, technology and fan support are far and beyoned anything MTBing has to offer. Calling it stupid shows that you all indeed have the closed minds that you seem to be so against.

I think you need to develop a real sense of humour.

I think you need to develop a real sense of humour.
Was there something funny said? Oh i get it 'Race' like race car, not 'race' like group of people. Oh hahahha ehhehehhe hohohohoh. My side is literallys splitting open and draining into the floor. How witty. How comical. How ever did you develop such a keen sense of irony. Oh it hurts im laughing so hard. Oh jesus.

... But I have no doubt about which is the most disgusting and vile race.


Clearly, it is the Daytona 500.

Pure filth.
LOL
jarhead#42

Was there something funny said? Oh i get it 'Race' like race car, not 'race' like group of people. Oh hahahha ehhehehhe hohohohoh. My side is literallys splitting open and draining into the floor. How witty. How comical. How ever did you develop such a keen sense of irony. Oh it hurts im laughing so hard. Oh jesus.





Would you like me to make you a nice Americano? Maybe it will cheer you up a bit. :(

... But I have no doubt about which is the most disgusting and vile race.


Clearly, it is the Daytona 500.

Pure filth.\


actually those races can be really dirty.. i spent a lot of time at the indy last summer , smell and air full of tire dust. all those ppl at the fancy set up bars and restaurants near the track? it is common to have
debris flinging by your head, missing you if you are lucky ;)

i rode my bike with paul tracy on the indy track hheeheh .. :)

... But I have no doubt about which is the most disgusting and vile race.


Clearly, it is the Daytona 500.

Pure filth.

I cannot understand why watching a bunch of basically formula racing cars with bodies made to resemble U.S. popular cars going around and around and around is so exciting. To me, it is almost as boring as watching bumpers rust. If they go on a road course, I may watch for one circuit, the last one, but still, they repeat the same course over and over and over. Boring.

Plus, sport? NASCAR or any form of auto-racint is not a sport. Anybody can sit in a car, stick their foot through the floorboard and turn left all day long. It takes an athlete to win a bicycle race.

:rolleyes:
If they go on a road course, I may watch for one circuit, the last one, but still, they repeat the same course over and over and over. Boring.
Yeah, kind of like watching a crit.

Plus, sport? NASCAR or any form of auto-racint is not a sport.
Yup, there again, alot like cycling, there is no ball involved like in real sports. :rolleyes:

it is common to have
debris flinging by your head, missing you if you are lucky ;)

Just lately I'm wishing the debris on my rides would aim at my head rather than at my drivetrain. Three broken chains in a month in Tasmania last summer, a bent chainring last weekend -- all of these issues on tours a long way from home. This is getting annoying!




I'm beginning to think I should have posted this one in the jokes forum or something. It was actually a little play on words intended to be at least mildly amusing, but seems to have turned into a debate about Nascar.

Just lately I'm wishing the debris on my rides would aim at my head rather than at my drivetrain. Three broken chains in a month in Tasmania last summer, a bent chainring last weekend -- all of these issues on tours a long way from home. This is getting annoying!
Well when you turn over as many miles as you do, who can be surprised by how many breakdowns you have.

-Also I have to say I LOVE PUNS!

:rolleyes:
Yeah, kind of like watching a crit.

Who watches a crit? I am talking real cycle racing. Grand Tours and events like Liege-Bastogne-Liege.


Yup, there again, alot like cycling, there is no ball involved like in real sports. :rolleyes:

Who said anything about a ball. A sport is something were men or women compete against each other using their physical prowess. Auto racing is not a sport and drivers are not athletes. Sit on your but, hang onto the wheel, and turn left for a few hours. Yeah, boy that's really difficult. Ever see those old shows on Wide World of Sports where athletes from different sports competed against each other? Ever see a NASCAR or Formula I driver do anything but finish dead last?

Just lately I'm wishing the debris on my rides would aim at my head rather than at my drivetrain. Three broken chains in a month in Tasmania last summer, a bent chainring last weekend -- all of these issues on tours a long way from home. This is getting annoying!




I'm beginning to think I should have posted this one in the jokes forum or something. It was actually a little play on words intended to be at least mildly amusing, but seems to have turned into a debate about Nascar.

lol i know, just used it as an excuse to say how nice paul tracy was and that riding on the indy track was sooooooooooooooo smooth.. can't wait til this year...:)

Sport does not equal athlete, I think we would have to agree that in terms of coordination, strength, practice, and skill; dancers and figure skaters are tremendous athletes. However, even though both have competitions, I don't see them as "sports".
At the same time there are sports that involve relatively little athleticism, curling comes to mind. Sport involves strategy, tactics and some degree of physical skill. Cycling, to anyone that knows anything about it, clearly involves it all and is a sport with a strong athletic component. As someone that isn't into, I would have to concede that car racing of any kind is a sport on par with horse racing. There is no question in my mind that the drivers are more skilled drivers than average Joe on the freeway, just like the jockey at the Kentucky Derby are more skilled riders than average. Both are involved in sports with a lot of strategy and planning. They may not be my cup of tea, but they are sports in the sense of a competition that involves physical skill and strategy. Doesn't mean I have to watch them, any more than their fans have to watch Lance.

Who said anything about a ball. A sport is something were men or women compete against each other using their physical prowess. Auto racing is not a sport and drivers are not athletes. Sit on your but, hang onto the wheel, and turn left for a few hours. Yeah, boy that's really difficult. Ever see those old shows on Wide World of Sports where athletes from different sports competed against each other? Ever see a NASCAR or Formula I driver do anything but finish dead last?

Car racing is a competition, not a sport.
My belief is that a sport must be self powered. By definition, golf is a sport, so's swimming, as is cycling, climbing, soccer, basketball, kick boxing, bum fighting, cheese rolling, curling, head banging, and nailing (only with a hammer, no pneumatics).

N=Not
A=Areal
S=Sport,
C=Centered
A=Around
R=Rednecks

Sport is for doing, not for watching.

Motor racing of any description is not a sport - it's the world's biggest, most frivolous waste of non-renewable resources.

Sport is for doing, not for watching.

Motor racing of any description is not a sport - it's the world's biggest, most frivolous waste of non-renewable resources.


That's interesting. You mean to say that motocross and XC dirtbike racing is not a sport? I will tell you from personal experience that it is one of the most physically trying sports there are. Sports Illustrated did a study years back that ranked motocross up with soccer and boxing as the toughest sports on earth. So, shall we listen to you or one of the most highly respected mult-sport magazines on the planet?

Hmmm...that's a tuffy.

So, shall we listen to you or one of the most highly respected mult-sport magazines on the planet?

I'd listen to Allister. The so-called "respected" media outlets are notorious for misquoting, misinterpreting and point blank making things up.

That's interesting. You mean to say that motocross and XC dirtbike racing is not a sport? I will tell you from personal experience that it is one of the most physically trying sports there are. Sports Illustrated did a study years back that ranked motocross up with soccer and boxing as the toughest sports on earth. So, shall we listen to you or one of the most highly respected mult-sport magazines on the planet?

Hmmm...that's a tuffy.

Whatever. It's still frivolous and wasteful of something that is in ever dwindling supply.

Using the words 'highly respected' and 'magazine' in the same sentence amuses me though, especially when you use them in reference to Sports Illustrated.

Racing is dumb unless you actually have to do something. Ex. Running, pedaling...

do they pee in the car if they have to go?

do they pee in the car if they have to go?


Try; info@richardpetty.com :rolleyes:

... Anybody can sit in a car, stick their foot through the floorboard and turn left all day long. It takes an athlete to win a bicycle race.

Yeah, and anyone can bounce a ball and shoot into a hoop. And anyone can throw a football. And anyone can hit a baseball. Should I go on?

Yes, "Anyone can sit in a car..."; but now try doing that at 180mph with a car right on your bumper trying to pass you, a couple more one either side, your tires getting worn out by the second, your cockpit is 120 degrees and climbing, you're dehydrating, you can't eat, you can't pi$$, and you're doing this for upwards of 4 hours. I've driven a stock car at 140 mph with no one else on the track and it's no easy task to get that machine to turn without sliding and hit something. It's hard to imagine doing it with 42 other cars out there with me.

Yes, I can bounce a basketball and shoot it into a hoop but not with a 6 ft 6 in guy in front of me trying to stop me. I can throw a football but not with a 300 lb lineman crashing down on me. I can hit a baseball but not if it's thrown by Randy Johnson.

To say "anybody can sit in a car..." is not telling the whole story.


And to the poster regarding the headlights. The main reason these are decals now isn't because someone could purposely misalign them; it's because during a crash they leave too much glass debris on the track. Therefore, the decals. Remember, most of the races are during the day so misaligned lights has little effect. And the decals make little difference in identifying the cars. They are only decals afterall.

"Anyone can use a knife"
Would you trust someone like that to perform brain surgery on a loved one?

Better yet, you know what some people say to me? "Bike racing? Anyone can ride a bike, it's just a bicycle."

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Better yet, you know what some people say to me? "Bike racing? Anyone can ride a bike, it's just a bicycle."

Excellent point. How could I miss that one? :eek:

... There is no question in my mind that the drivers are more skilled drivers than average Joe on the freeway, just like the jockey at the Kentucky Derby are more skilled riders than average. Both are involved in sports with a lot of strategy and planning. ...

It sounds like chess qualifies as a sport using your definition.

In my view sport necessarily means athleticism. Also I believe that you must be able to objectively measure the results. IOW if you have to have judges, it is more like performance art. This does present some problems for Boxers and Judoka because not all matches are decided by knockout or Ippon; but then again this type of competition has some elements of art; as style and elegance do count for something.


NASCAR is neither athletic or artful IMHO and the Kentucky Derby is only a sport if you are a horse.

Dan

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In my view sport necessarily means athleticism. ...

NASCAR is neither athletic or artful IMHO and the Kentucky Derby is only a sport if you are a horse.

Dan

Have you ever tried to drive a car around a track at 140 mph or more? I have. Believe me it's exhausting and I only did it for 10 laps and about 15 minutes. Try it for 200-300 laps and more than 3 hours. I can guarantee there are few on this board that have the "athleticism" to do it.

Everyone is going to have their own definition of what a sport is. An old friend of mine said nothing was a sport unless there was an offense and defense; those he called activities. Huh? So "activities" like swimming, diving and BIKING - :eek: - would not be sports to him.

There is a lot more to auto racing - all kinds - than most people here know.

And US Postal is the new sponsor of NASCAR???? Go figure.

It sounds like chess qualifies as a sport using your definition.

Actually, chess is considered a hugely popular sport in some of the most populated countries on Earth.

So is golf!!! Talk about a waste of resources! How many trees do they cut down to make a course?

L8R

So is golf!!! Talk about a waste of resources! How many trees do they cut down to make a course?

L8R

None if its in arizona or kansas or something.

I find it ironic that cyclists get offended when there sport is insulted. Can't we all just get along. I don't like motosports but I still respect it as a competition. If you think it is stupid...well seriously who cares. People must like the sport, it makes butt loads of cash and continues to do so.

And to people who don't think racing a car is athletic...please just give it a try. It doesn't look like much more than driving a car but working with those g-forces over time would be harder on the body than most sports I know...

oh...and I hate nascar ... find it about as exciting as baseball, golf, bowling, lawnbowling, pool, poker (hey its on the sports network), CFL, curling, chess and many other sports.

And to people who don't think racing a car is athletic...please just give it a try. It doesn't look like much more than driving a car but working with those g-forces over time would be harder on the body than most sports I know...
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That and couple it with that multi layer Nomex suit in a non airconditioned car racing for up to 500 miles on a 100 degree+ track. There have been some racers (Nascar) that have reported losing 9 to 15 lbs. per race.

... There have been some racers (Nascar) that have reported losing 9 to 15 lbs. per race.

Hmmm? Sounds like I should run about 5 or 6 races and I'll be down to my ideal weight. :)

F1 racers also end up getting their necks stretched after each race because of all the forces encountered.
Imagine getting on the fastest roller coaster you can think of. Try playing a level or two of super mario brothers under those conditions without dying.
Now imagine sitting in that for 3 hours in a thick suit and it's 120-130 degrees. And now imagine the roller coaster's moving at 200+ mph. Now try to pilot a F1 car under those conditions with other cars moving inches away from you. Now hit 240mph on a straight, drop almost 200mph in 3 seconds at the hairpin, somehow manage to keep your eyeballs from popping out of their sockets, accelerate back up to 200mph in 5 seconds. And you have a practice lap.
Add in mechanics, tire wear, debris, cars pulling in and out of your draft, wind, temperature, rain, and you have a F1 race.
Not as easy as it seems to just put your foot down on the pedals.

Motorsports is the best way to use our limited petrol. Why waste it driving to work when your bike will do, use the petrol to enjoy.

Motorsports is the best way to use our limited petrol. Why waste it driving to work when your bike will do, use the petrol to enjoy.

You might wanna check out what fuel CART race cars use. Meth. 240mph running on moonshine.

I'll watch an F1 race any day. NASCAR is boring. I do however, love the way they paint headlights on the cars so they look stock. :rolleyes:


F1 ????? Oh, I know you mean the Michael Schumacher show... Talk about boring and predictable. He's won every race this year except Monaco and that was his own fault when he was taken out in a strange accident in the tunnel. NASCAR blows just about as bad. I can't get interested in the IRL until they learn to turn right. CART or whatever they are now called won't last more than a season..... I have quit trying to watch racing other than an occational Superbike or GP. I did catch part of the Isle of Mann TT. Now that looked fun :D

I agree. It's disgusting, wasteful and an ecological nightmare.



Motor racing of any description is not a sport - it's the world's biggest, most frivolous waste of non-renewable resources.

NASCAR is neither athletic ...

How many fat race car drivers do you see?