Commuting - Who hates 'Gurlys' (Surlys)?

Over-rated!

To hate sensibly, say how so.

Over-rated!

Based on what? We have two in my garage and they are very well designed bikes. A great value for the price, in fact.

Based on what? We have two in my garage and they are very well designed bikes. A great value for the price, in fact.

Wow. You actually talk about bikes and not locks or lights. There is a God. :D

ok... moving on

Wow. You actually talk about bikes and not locks or lights. There is a God. :D

Are you just here to troll, or do you actually have something to say?

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x248/cyclaholic_album/temp/troll.jpg

Overrated only on this forum. In real life, I've only ever seen one. There's a guy I sometimes pass on my commute that has a Karate Monkey. I'm intrigued by the cross-check and/or LHT myself, but I already own two nice commuters (a touring bike and a hybrid), so it's hard to justify getting another bike that isn't much different than what I already have.

I have a new surly cross check, about 175 miles on it. Great bike for the money.

What the hell is wrong with being girly?

My LHT is the Swiss army knife of bicycles. Its heavier, bulkier, and more complex than I usually need it to be, but its gets the job done 99.9% of the time. I have other bikes I ride for enjoyment.

I have a surly 1x1 , it's a " do anything, ride anywhere type of a bike". I love it.

Why should I hate them? They've never done anything to me. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Troll thread.

Let's see:

7500 miles on my Cross Check in the last 18 months. Includes commuting through 2 snowy (for here) winters, over a dozen centuries, 2 doubles, and I've earned my ACP 200k and 300k medals on it. I'll be earning my 400k medal on it in August.
It was reasonable priced, is comfortable, and hasn't fallen apart underneath me. Yeah... totally over-rated.

Keep in mind the OP is the same person who referred to slick tires on CX bikes as girly. :rolleyes:

Over-rated!

My Pugsley would like a word with you.... outside :notamused:

CE

Over-rated!


What didn't you like about yours?

My Pugsley would like a word with you.... outside :notamused:

CE

and my Dummy can haul what's left to the Bike Church... for donation.

:banned:

I don't get it ?? Why would OP even try to start a hate thread about a 'Brand',which has been proven to be, a great and very versatile frames by thousands of riders all over.

Wow. You actually talk about bikes and not locks or lights. There is a God. :D

I'm pretty sure you are thinking about the guy with 'jack' in his name, not that guy.

Surly's aren't bad bikes at all, but I think the whole steel thing is overrated. In comparison to wheel, seat and seatpost flex, frame flex is so minimal I don't see how it could be noticeably measured at all. Plus you can just use smaller diameter aluminum tubing to make it flex more.

I would love to have a Titanium frame, though.

I would love to know why you think so, you might even be right. But for the time being I am going to have to assume you are a troll.

I don't get it ?? Why would OP even try to start a hate thread about a 'Brand',which has been proven to be, a great and very versatile frames by thousands of riders all over.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk140/Dzrtrat/funny%20stuff/Comedy.gif I think for obvious reason.

I got a Surly Big Dummy 2 months ago. I've been riding it everywhere.
Mebbe the only Surly I will own,but it is plenty surly to me.:)

I don't get it ?? Why would OP even try to start a hate thread about a 'Brand',which has been proven to be, a great and very versatile frames by thousands of riders all over.

My mother used to tell me that miserable people like to make other people miserable.

Don't take the bait. Move on.

I don't get it ?? Why would OP even try to start a hate thread about a 'Brand',which has been proven to be, a great and very versatile frames by thousands of riders all over.

Because he rides a BD bike.

Looks like there are only a few who dislike them.
I love mine.

Far as I know Surlies aren't too well known in these parts. Even roadies will draft,
checking out my BD before they pass with a smile and a thumbs up.
One Sunday morning on a rural road, I heard the best car beep-beep ever.
An old guy in a Model T waved and gave me a thumbs up as he passed.
I waved and returned a thumbs up on his Model T.
I believe he used his smallest bulb horn in a friendly way.:)

I'm pretty sure you are thinking about the guy with 'jack' in his name, not that guy.

Surly's aren't bad bikes at all, but I think the whole steel thing is overrated. In comparison to wheel, seat and seatpost flex, frame flex is so minimal I don't see how it could be noticeably measured at all. Plus you can just use smaller diameter aluminum tubing to make it flex more.

I would love to have a Titanium frame, though.

The Australian Ride magazine provides 3 graphs of flex, one at the front, BB and at the back. Static tests are of limited use, but they do provide a general idea of what the bike is about.

In addition to measurements, there is something the Bike Quarterly guys call planing. That is where the frame has some give in the BB, but seems to turn some
of that energy back into propulsion. Sounds weird, but my bike has it. It's one of the things that seperates the good steel from the great.

Because I am a Clydesdale, and a little bit strong, I have real issues with frame flex.
Both with too much and too little. I had a Cannondale in the late 80's that had so little flex it put me in the doctor's office. And I have tried a couple bikes that had way too much flex. One of the early aluminum bikes, it was from either the late 70's or early 80's, when I got on it it was like riding overcooked spagetti.

Btw, I had a Ti bike, an Airborne Carpe Diem. The rear end was too short and stiff for me so I gave it to Sis. She likes an upright seating position so I put a B67 on it, some old motorcycle style bars, and a suspension stem. Nice stem. I call it The World's Most Expensive Hybrid.

I know a dude who's riding (well, almost done riding) a Long Haul Trucker all the way from Pennsylvania to Peru to Paraguay. I respect that bike.

Which part of Surlys actually suck, sir?

Would it be the actual quality BB they place in them? Perhaps the decent crank, or is it that ****ty pair of Salsa Delgado rims coupled with AVID BB7 brakes? The Ritchey Logic sealed cartridge head or just the Steel frame w/ a solid paint job?

I know in comparison to your FSA crank, .50 cent BB and sketchy "Whatever we can throw on this ****ing frame" set of rims coupled with jack**** hubs, head, chain and silly ass $50 frame, the Surly is definitely 'low budget' but some of us will just have to make do.

Yes I know your a troll.

But did you know that your $399 special only cost $119 wholesale? So really, you're just riding a bike even WalMart passed on because they were only one step cheaper than you:)

Because he rides a BD bike.

Hey now, I ride a BD bike...in fact I ride the same BD bike. And I rather like it.

That being said, I have dreams of a Big Dummy sometime in my future. And a Pacer frame for some of the spare parts I have lying around.

Hey now, I ride a BD bike...in fact I ride the same BD bike. And I rather like it.


But you're ok with it... as you should be. That's the difference.

I don't get it ?? Why would OP even try to start a hate thread about a 'Brand',which has been proven to be, a great and very versatile frames by thousands of riders all over.

Maybe the LBS he is affiliated with doesn't sell it and its competitors do.

Obviously this thread was to get some fires raging, which worked haha. I have a Surly LHT, and cant wait to get home to ride it

I don't get it ?? Why would OP even try to start a hate thread about a 'Brand',which has been proven to be, a great and very versatile frames by thousands of riders all over.

If you look early in this thread, the OP was whining about the lack of "bike talk." Apparently, there has been too much "locks" and "lights" discussion for his taste, hence the intentional flame baiting.
If he would have slammed a brand other than Surly, it might not be so troll obvious.
But hey.... it worked didn't it. Look at all this bike discussion. :-)

(BTW... +1 on the 1X1 ! I really like mine. )

Over-rated!

I have been called a lot worse in this Forum than Girly.

I have an LHT and a Pugsley. The Trucker is a nice rugged frame for the $$. The Puglsey is, well, extreme. But you can't touch anything like it for double the price. The next closest thing is $1300 for just the frame and fork - see: (wildfirecycles.com (http://www.wildfirecycles.com/bike%20shop.html)) Moots made a one-off "fat bike" and a trailer for it (Photo (http://thelazyrando.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/fatbike.jpg)) that I am sure cost a million bucks if they would even build another one for that amount.

So troll on brother. Those who own Surlys usually love 'em. Where I live it is getting a bit hipster to own one, but I can live with that too.

I think Surly products are great overall, but there's no reason for excessive brand loyalty.

Here are my problems with Surly.
1. Surly frames are somewhat overpriced, IMO. For instance, Soma makes numerous frames similar to Surly frames that cost about the same, but Soma's are made from better steel.
2. The bearings and hardware on Surly hubs are a PITA, and the hubs are overpriced. You can get better hubs for less.
3. I bought a Surly fixed gear cog a few years ago...it was louder and wore out faster than any other fg cog I have ever used.

Over-rated!

A small case of sour grapes? :popcorn

Surly makes a wide enough range of frames that to say they are categorically overrated is IMO BS on the part of the OP. The Pugsley and Big Dummy are bikes virtually without serious competition from other US makers or distributors. If one model is not your cup of tea then choose something else, even a different make.

After all beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

I haven't read all the posts for this thread. But off topic, my Dad is on his death-bed. :( I am sarcastic by nature. So if I offended anybody, get over it. :)

Too bad about your father mine is gone too and the last thing I would be doing if he were fighting for his life is to be stirring up a pot of crap on a web forum. go ride whatever you have and think about what its going to be like and how you can change your attitudes if he does not survive

What the hell is wrong with being girly?

Yeah some of us rather like "girlys" ;)

Too bad about your father mine is gone too and the last thing I would be doing if he were fighting for his life is to be stirring up a pot of crap on a web forum. go ride whatever you have and think about what its going to be like and how you can change your attitudes if he does not survive

My Dad died a few years ago. Sometimes stirrign a pot of crap on a web forum is all you can do. Try not to be judgemental, everybody handles stuff diffently.

My Dad died a few years ago. Sometimes stirrign a pot of crap on a web forum is all you can do. Try not to be judgemental, everybody handles stuff diffently.

Thank you. But, I started this thread before my Dad ended up in ICU. And I'm sorry to hear about your Father. You too stringbreaker. I'm sorry.

I'm just delighting in the misogyny necessary to proclaim to the world that one considers "female" to be insulting.

Ah, I remember 13 years old like it was yesterday. "You kissed a girl? That's so gay!"

I'm just delighting in the misogyny necessary to proclaim to the world that one considers "female" to be insulting.

Ah, I remember 13 years old like it was yesterday. "You kissed a girl? That's so gay!"

LOL... The irony of that statement....

Some threads seem to be more "scratch and grunt" than others..... :-)

I have a Big Dummy...whether I am gurly is for you to decide:

http://web.me.com/awcg/iWeb/Springwood/Library_files/Chip-thomas.jpg

I don't have a Surly, but I ride a locally-designed steel inexpensive hybrid that only cost $313.00 (plus tax) you'd probably hate my bike, too, but that's ok because my steed is reliable and a draft horse!

Hey I just had my gurly below shoulder length dark hair hair cut off today, it was just too much trouble and maintenance for me ... it didn't fit with my active, mostly cycling lifestyle

Hey I just had my gurly below shoulder length dark hair hair cut off today, it was just too much trouble and maintenance for me ... it didn't fit with my active, mostly cycling lifestyle

Like this? http://www.adam-amy.com/blog/media/1/20070217-bald-britney.jpg