Mountain Biking - Help me do those.. standup.. hop.. things!

Okay.. so.. that little trick dealie where you hop up onto the rear-wheel and hop around like a pogo stick.



Whats the technique for this? I can trackstand and bunny hop, but thats about it.





Thanks. :o

Okay.. so.. that little trick dealie where you hop up onto the rear-wheel and hop around like a pogo stick.



Whats the technique for this? I can trackstand and bunny hop, but thats about it.





Thanks. :o

Are you using clipless to do most of these stunts?

As for the trip, you hafta learn how to lift the front up vertically. To do that you gotta learn the right positioning of the body.

Yea its clipless, but I know how to bunny hop without the clipless.



And umm... care to share some insight to the body position? Thats why I posted this, to get help.

http://www.trials-online.com/techniques-lurch.php

Can't explain it much better. And don't wear clipless to do trials. Dangerous.

http://www.trials-online.com/the-videos.php

Video examples.

http://www.trials-online.com/techniques-lurch.php

Can't explain it much better. And don't wear clipless to do trials. Dangerous.






I'd be willing to bet I can get off my pedals just about as fast as you can get off yours. ;)




Thanks for the links.

I'd be willing to bet I can get off my pedals just about as fast as you can get off yours. ;)




Thanks for the links.

When you break your ankle we'll see about that :rolleyes: Theres a reason that trials, FR, dirtjumpers typically use flats...

I'd be willing to bet I can get off my pedals just about as fast as you can get off yours. ;)




Thanks for the links.

Best of luck. I understand the need to clipless...heck even on dh and some freeriding. But the consensus amongst every single person to ever ride trials (that I have met) is that clipless are death traps for the slow moving, bouncy bouncy...that and you will never get any respect from trials riders. Clipless are cheating to them.

and btw I would be willing to take that bet. I have seen enough injuries related to that ONE time they didn't come undone (just once, yeah every other time it worked BUT!!!) I know 110% my foot will pop off whenever I want. I know 100% that 100% of the time your clipless don't let go. 95% maybe...but again...that ONE time...

Well this isn't for serious anything, I'm just kicking around my XC bike on the front yard. If I was on asphalt then yea, I'd not use clipless. But this is just for fun to improve my trail handling. I can't really justify two sets of pedals for an hour or two of screwin' around a day.

Thanks for the help.

I can't really justify two sets of pedals for an hour or two of screwin' around a day.



This is a great excuse for a new bike.

Roadbike first. :)

Roadbike first. :)

NOOO i hope your not converting :)

I tried out my friends Trek 1200 and damn, you can get some serious speed and mileage on it.

I went riding with him up north. I put some slicks on my MTN bike and I could barely keep up with him espically on the downhills. I would max out at around 50km/h on the down hills and he would be blowing past me at 60km/h.

My largest chain ring was the size of his middle chainring. :eek:

I got owned.

Not converting, just for training. >=)

I have seen enough injuries related to that ONE time they didn't come undone (just once, yeah every other time it worked BUT!!!) I know 110% my foot will pop off whenever I want. I know 100% that 100% of the time your clipless don't let go. 95% maybe...but again...that ONE time...
Do you have to bash clipless pedals EVERY time the subject comes up? If you don't like them fine, but listening to your speeches in every thread about how clipless pedals are accidents waiting to happen is getting old.

Do you have to bash clipless pedals EVERY time the subject comes up? If you don't like them fine, but listening to your speeches in every thread about how clipless pedals are accidents waiting to happen is getting old.





Be quiet, its perfectly reasonable to say clipless are more dangerous for trials -- they are. :mad:

Relax dude! The only time he mentions it is when someone asks about "how to do a so and so trick". Mael, (and Mine) and others advice/opinion is absolutely correct. When you're learning a new trick, you want to be able to get off your bike instantly. You CANNOT do this with clipless. He's trying to help people from hurting themselves. Don't like it, don't read it! There is always the "Ignore" option.

I might have to add another to my list!

L8R

Do you have to bash clipless pedals EVERY time the subject comes up? If you don't like them fine, but listening to your speeches in every thread about how clipless pedals are accidents waiting to happen is getting old.

This topic comes up a lot and you might not agree with what he says but hes probably talking from personal experience. Its great to get different views on the topic so the topic starter can get both pros and cons on what hes getting into.

Some users might be new to the forums so hearing these views actually help.

If you don't like it, ignore it.

Do you have to bash clipless pedals EVERY time the subject comes up? If you don't like them fine, but listening to your speeches in every thread about how clipless pedals are accidents waiting to happen is getting old.

It isn't every thread. Go back and do a search. If people ask about doing tricks, jumps drops, skinnies on clipless, I inform them of the dangers. If you don't think it isn't dangerous...fine...but I don't care, I know from watching pros give it a go and crash hard...oops don't want this to be a speech...ok...go back and search clipless. If they are looking for recommendations about clipless and are trail triding or xc I don't even peep because I know you can't beat clipless. Ask about doing anything in the realm of "needing to throw the bike away in a split second" I will pipe in EVERY TIME.

So..you don't like it, don't read it. Cause I promise you I will continue to put my word in about clipless pedals.

NOOO i hope your not converting :)

I tried out my friends Trek 1200 and damn, you can get some serious speed and mileage on it.

I went riding with him up north. I put some slicks on my MTN bike and I could barely keep up with him espically on the downhills. I would max out at around 50km/h on the down hills and he would be blowing past me at 60km/h.

My largest chain ring was the size of his middle chainring. :eek:

I got owned.

I go riding with my gf's uncle who has been mtbiking since the early 80's in this area (as much as a mtb even existed anyways) and the guy basically has a road setp on his mtb. Smokes just about everyone. He is in his 40's and still places top 10 every race and usually wins most. Needless to say I get smoked...but it sure is fun to watch him pedal up stff in 2 second that takes me 2 minutes.

Relax dude! The only time he mentions it is when someone asks about "how to do a so and so trick". Mael, (and Mine) and others advice/opinion is absolutely correct. When you're learning a new trick, you want to be able to get off your bike instantly. You CANNOT do this with clipless. He's trying to help people from hurting themselves.

L8R

I tried to learn a wheelie clipped in. I pulled up too hard on the bar and flipped over. Couldn't get rid of the bike, and lay on the ground like a turtle with the bike still attached. Thank God I was alone.

I keep my clips tight for xc, and can usually throw the bike off in enough time. However, when learning tricks, you don't know what to anticipate, or how quick it could happen.

doesn't look like anyone really answered your rear wheel hopping question.

a good way to practice getting into the correct position is to hop your front tire onto something like a bench. then, you can pull up your front end just a few inches and hop on the rear wheel. if your front end drops, put it back down on the bench (or rock, tall curb, car bumper...). this can help keep the bike close to the position you need it in.

and then of course, practice. and then practice some more.....

How easy are these moves with a full suspension bike?

They aren't very easy. They put your shock in an odd position and give it an odd amount of pounding. That and you kind of need it to be crisp feeling to get all bouncy bouncy. There are people that can do it...but it isn't easy.

doesn't look like anyone really answered your rear wheel hopping question.

a good way to practice getting into the correct position is to hop your front tire onto something like a bench. then, you can pull up your front end just a few inches and hop on the rear wheel. if your front end drops, put it back down on the bench (or rock, tall curb, car bumper...). this can help keep the bike close to the position you need it in.

and then of course, practice. and then practice some more.....

I always forget about that method. Then you just have to figure out how to lift the front end :)

I go riding with my gf's uncle who has been mtbiking since the early 80's in this area (as much as a mtb even existed anyways) and the guy basically has a road setp on his mtb. Smokes just about everyone. He is in his 40's and still places top 10 every race and usually wins most. Needless to say I get smoked...but it sure is fun to watch him pedal up stff in 2 second that takes me 2 minutes.




How is it like a road setup?

The gearing. His bigring is freaking massive. His mid ring is like what I would ride for a big ring and he has no small ring.

Woah.

i can hop around on my back wheel on my FS Pos welfare ride...lol. Its not easy, not good for the frame, but meh, still worth practicsing. I got on a friends hardtail and could manage 10+ hops on the rear wheel.

Should I just set my rebound to be real slow on the rear shock to try these hops?



They aren't very easy. They put your shock in an odd position and give it an odd amount of pounding. That and you kind of need it to be crisp feeling to get all bouncy bouncy. There are people that can do it...but it isn't easy.

We should sticky a thread about the inherent dangers of riding clipless. The ensuing discussion by proponents of both camps always ends up hijacking a thread that really has nothing to do with pedal type.

It will also save Maelstrom some typing. :D

As far as back wheel hops go, I learned by throwing a little endo, grabbing a fistful of back brake, then rocking back and going for it (rather spastically at first, I'm afraid). In order to find and stay at the balance point, you'll have to have the front end up higher than what probably feels comfortable. Then practice, practice.

Should I just set my rebound to be real slow on the rear shock to try these hops?

I am not sure. I have never been able to do them on a dually. Maybe I weight too much, or my bike has to much sag but it never works.

I would think you would want the suspension as stiff as possible, and rebound turned up. :)

Gastro,

I like typing, makes me feel important :D...its not like I am working or anything. :D

I go riding with my gf's uncle who has been mtbiking since the early 80's in this area (as much as a mtb even existed anyways) and the guy basically has a road setp on his mtb. Smokes just about everyone. He is in his 40's and still places top 10 every race and usually wins most. Needless to say I get smoked...but it sure is fun to watch him pedal up stff in 2 second that takes me 2 minutes.

Setup like a road bike how? Handlebars and gears?

Someone else asked this and I answered. Gearing. He had a huge big ring and a big mid ring with no small ring.

He doesn't use drop bars.